Still playing 4D chess he is.

I chose this article sourced from Reuters because it lacks any politically biased additional narratives like you'll see inserted by organizations like the NYT, CNN, The Hill and even Fox. I was a little surprised US News didn't have their own spin. Trump has forced the dems to the bargaining table to see if a bipartisan solution on which both sides can agree can be formulated. The art of the deal indeed.

Oh, and in before the libtards can start in with the he's indecisive and weak argument.


Trump Delays Mass Deportation Raids, Seeks Deal With Democrats

WASHINGTON (REUTERS) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Saturday he would postpone mass deportation raids as he seeks compromise with Democratic leaders on immigration issues.

In a Twitter message, Trump said at "the request of Democrats, I have delayed the Illegal Immigration Removal Process (Deportation) for two weeks to see if the Democrats and Republicans can get together and work out a solution to the Asylum and Loophole problems."

U.S. House of Representatives' Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the top Democrat in Congress, had urged religious leaders earlier on Saturday to pressure Trump to cancel the raids which were expected to target families in up to 10 U.S. cities on Sunday.

Pelosi said in a release the expected raids would "inject terror into our communities" and tear families apart. "The President's action makes no distinction between a status violation and committing a serious crime," Pelosi said, urging faith-based and other leaders to convey to Trump the value of U.S. refugee resettlement programs.

Trump, a Republican, told reporters on Saturday before heading to the Camp David presidential retreat that the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency was focused on getting the transnational street gang MS-13 out of the United States. When he later announced a delay in the raids, he said if no compromise with Democrats was reached, "Deportations start!"

Many asylum seekers from Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador cite gang violence driven largely by groups like MS-13 as the reason they come to the United States for refuge.

Mark Morgan, acting director of ICE, said this week his agency would target for deportation families that have received a removal order from a U.S. immigration court.

An operation was slated to launch on Sunday and expected to target up to 2,000 families facing deportation orders in as many as 10 U.S. cities, including Houston, Chicago, Miami and Los Angeles, the Washington Post reported on Friday.

Trump wrote on Twitter earlier on Saturday that ICE will apprehend people who have run from the law. "These are people that are supposed to go back to their home country," Trump wrote.

(Reporting by Timothy Gardner, Nandita Bose and Joel Schectman; Editing by Tom Brown, Daniel Wallis and Chris Reese)

Copyright 2019 Thomson Reuters.

Pussying out again!!!!

(06-22-2019 03:42 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Pussying out again!!!!

Thankfully our POTUS understands diplomacy AND leverage. I have absolutely zero faith that the baffoons in congress can reach a deal in two years much less two weeks. From either side.

lol what a fat idiot

I’m done

(06-22-2019 04:34 PM)Kronke Wrote:  lol what a fat idiot

I’m done

LOL. You're a hoot. Rather than face stiff opposition - some from his own party - and in all likelihood a rash of lawsuits to prevent him from taking action, he delayed it for two weeks in favor of some attempt at bipartisan resolution and that's to be derided? I don't get you. If in two weeks he completely abandons it in favor of something completely unacceptable, maybe I'll get you then.

Trump backed the Dems into another corner, lol.

Deal, no deal, wtf does that have to do with deportations. What's there to compromise on.

In the time we wait for the “deal” that isn’t going to happen to deport the scheduled ~2k, another 50k+ are going to flood in.

If those illegal aliens are so intent on putting space between themselves and MS 13 they accomplished that when they crossed the border into Mexico. Ah no, but they want asylum in the US. No pendejos in that group.

Have any of them truly escaped Mara-Salvatrucha by coming here if their US neighborhoods are infested as well?

If the dims will present a decent, rational approach to all this, then fine.

But they won’t.

Regardless what any deal is, these thugs and thugetts need to be gone, one way or another, yesterday.

(06-22-2019 05:59 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Deal, no deal, wtf does that have to do with deportations. What's there to compromise on.

I'm with you, to a degree. I want them gone yesterday but apparently the POTUS lacks the authority to make unilateral decisions without being obstructed at every turn. Had this been Obama's agenda the deal would have been done long ago and there would be a wall. Like I said earlier, I have very little faith that any deal can be worked out at which time he can proceed and when they complain he can point to his willingness to reach a deal that they refused to sign. 2 more weeks to begin addressing an issue every other administration has kicked down the road since Reagan is nothing.

Again, if he wusses out and cancels the deportations without a major win in some other way then I may join you in your complaints. I don't see anything other than these deportations going forward and many more to follow as a major win though.

(06-22-2019 06:36 PM)Kronke Wrote:  In the time we wait for the “deal” that isn’t going to happen to deport the scheduled ~2k, another 50k+ are going to flood in.

Almost 75k if this month matches last months totals of 140ish k. I want them gone also but why start something that's most definitely going to be met with extreme opposition until they've proven, definitively, they won't work with you. We know the likelihood of them giving ground is virtually 100%. At such time send them all home. I'm for ridding ourselves of every single freeloading illegal alien here. I just appreciate that he appears to be taking a practical approach, but, as you have indicated in the past, I'm a fkn idiot so what do I know.

(06-22-2019 07:17 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(06-22-2019 06:36 PM)Kronke Wrote:  In the time we wait for the “deal” that isn’t going to happen to deport the scheduled ~2k, another 50k+ are going to flood in.

Almost 75k if this month matches last months totals of 140ish k. I want them gone also but why start something that's most definitely going to be met with extreme opposition until they've proven, definitively, they won't work with you. We know the likelihood of them giving ground is virtually 100%. At such time send them all home. I'm for ridding ourselves of every single freeloading illegal alien here. I just appreciate that he appears to be taking a practical approach, but, as you have indicated in the past, I'm a fkn idiot so what do I know.

I don’t know about Kronke, but my issue with delaying and trying to get a deal out of the Dems has already proven to be futile on all levels. I wish he’d just do what he said he’s gonna do at this point and screw them.

However, I’m not stupid either. It’s election cycle season and he’s likely trying to play this middle ground “let’s make a deal” thing to garner more centrist voters that the left keeps “progressing” further away from.


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(06-22-2019 07:17 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(06-22-2019 06:36 PM)Kronke Wrote:  In the time we wait for the “deal” that isn’t going to happen to deport the scheduled ~2k, another 50k+ are going to flood in.

Almost 75k if this month matches last months totals of 140ish k. I want them gone also but why start something that's most definitely going to be met with extreme opposition until they've proven, definitively, they won't work with you. We know the likelihood of them giving ground is virtually 100%. At such time send them all home. I'm for ridding ourselves of every single freeloading illegal alien here. I just appreciate that he appears to be taking a practical approach, but, as you have indicated in the past, I'm a fkn idiot so what do I know.

If they already have deportation orders, the democrats’ opposition is irrelevant. The law is already on Trump’s side, go round them up and send them home. If nothing else, maybe the word gets out that even if you manage to get in, you’re on borrowed time and will eventually be sent back, so you shouldn’t bother.

Putting that off to try and make a “deal” with people who hate you and claim you’re running concentration camps on the border is pathetic. It tells me that he either isn’t serious about actually solving the problem, or that he is so clueless about the political calculus and where he stands with the democrats, that it is no wonder why he is so inept at ever getting anything done.

Deporting 2k illegals and listening to AOC and Co. defend CRIMINALS would have been amazing optics and a winning issue.

And the fat idiot punted.

(06-22-2019 07:28 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(06-22-2019 07:17 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(06-22-2019 06:36 PM)Kronke Wrote:  In the time we wait for the “deal” that isn’t going to happen to deport the scheduled ~2k, another 50k+ are going to flood in.

Almost 75k if this month matches last months totals of 140ish k. I want them gone also but why start something that's most definitely going to be met with extreme opposition until they've proven, definitively, they won't work with you. We know the likelihood of them giving ground is virtually 100%. At such time send them all home. I'm for ridding ourselves of every single freeloading illegal alien here. I just appreciate that he appears to be taking a practical approach, but, as you have indicated in the past, I'm a fkn idiot so what do I know.

If they already have deportation orders, the democrats’ opposition is irrelevant. The law is already on Trump’s side, go round them up and send them home. If nothing else, maybe the word gets out that even if you manage to get in, you’re on borrowed time and will eventually be sent back, so you shouldn’t bother.

Putting that off to try and make a “deal” with people who hate you and claim you’re running concentration camps on the border is pathetic. It tells me that he either isn’t serious about actually solving the problem, or that he is so clueless about the political calculus and where he stands with the democrats, that it is no wonder why he is so inept at ever getting anything done.

Deporting 2k illegals and listening to AOC and Co. defend CRIMINALS would have been amazing optics and a winning issue.

And the fat idiot punted.

I agree with a lot of that but I'm still willing, as if I have a choice, to see what happens in two weeks. If he screws the pooch I'll agree with you 100%.

Who would have been your preference for POTUS anyway?

(06-22-2019 03:50 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(06-22-2019 03:42 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Pussying out again!!!!

Thankfully our POTUS understands diplomacy AND leverage. I have absolutely zero faith that the baffoons in congress can reach a deal in two years much less two weeks. From either side.

You'll defend anything.

(06-22-2019 07:55 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Who would have been your preference for POTUS anyway?

Ted

(06-22-2019 07:25 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(06-22-2019 07:17 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(06-22-2019 06:36 PM)Kronke Wrote:  In the time we wait for the “deal” that isn’t going to happen to deport the scheduled ~2k, another 50k+ are going to flood in.

Almost 75k if this month matches last months totals of 140ish k. I want them gone also but why start something that's most definitely going to be met with extreme opposition until they've proven, definitively, they won't work with you. We know the likelihood of them giving ground is virtually 100%. At such time send them all home. I'm for ridding ourselves of every single freeloading illegal alien here. I just appreciate that he appears to be taking a practical approach, but, as you have indicated in the past, I'm a fkn idiot so what do I know.

I don’t know about Kronke, but my issue with delaying and trying to get a deal out of the Dems has already proven to be futile on all levels. I wish he’d just do what he said he’s gonna do at this point and screw them.

However, I’m not stupid either. It’s election cycle season and he’s likely trying to play this middle ground “let’s make a deal” thing to garner more centrist voters that the left keeps “progressing” further away from.


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I agree on your first point, but since he isn't I'm interested in how he handles a deal failure or what concessions will he make in any deal. and have no choice to but to wait two weeks.

The second point is a very valid consideration. Conversely, why give potential dem voters more reason to turn out?

We'll see what happens in two weeks.

Oh yeah, you always listen to an offer, even if it does become a cry of wolf.

JMO.

(06-22-2019 07:56 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(06-22-2019 07:55 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Who would have been your preference for POTUS anyway?

Ted

I like Ted a lot and would have gladly voted for him but I'm not sure he would have us in much better shape than we are now.