(06-27-2019 09:10 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Sure, except they weren't planning to go indy. They thought they could park football in the AAC and make that money, too. So they weren't really trying to go indy. They screwed up and didn't think it through.

They almost certainly know they're going to wind up an independent. They also probably need to publicly state their willingness to stay as a football-only because when this goes to court or arbitration over how much UConn pays in damages to leave early it undercuts any argument about difficulty for other schools in scheduling or creating an unbalanced league possibly effecting a CCG. There's pretty thought-out language in the contract about where UConn can and cannot seek a home for football, so they knew they'd be looking for a new home.

(06-27-2019 09:59 AM)Bogg Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 09:10 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Sure, except they weren't planning to go indy. They thought they could park football in the AAC and make that money, too. So they weren't really trying to go indy. They screwed up and didn't think it through.

They almost certainly know they're going to wind up an independent. They also probably need to publicly state their willingness to stay as a football-only because when this goes to court or arbitration over how much UConn pays in damages to leave early it undercuts any argument about difficulty for other schools in scheduling or creating an unbalanced league possibly effecting a CCG. There's pretty thought-out language in the contract about where UConn can and cannot seek a home for football, so they knew they'd be looking for a new home.

Not what media reports are saying. They say UConn thought they could park football in the AAC. AAC said no, and apparently, so did the other G5s.

(06-27-2019 10:31 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Not what media reports are saying. They say UConn thought they could park football in the AAC. AAC said no, and apparently, so did the other G5s.

Again, superficially UConn has to seek football-only membership even if they know it's going to be denied because it serves to undercut a portion of the damages argument that will be made in negotiations for an early exit. This isn't complicated.

(06-27-2019 09:59 AM)Bogg Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 09:10 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Sure, except they weren't planning to go indy. They thought they could park football in the AAC and make that money, too. So they weren't really trying to go indy. They screwed up and didn't think it through.

They almost certainly know they're going to wind up an independent. They also probably need to publicly state their willingness to stay as a football-only because when this goes to court or arbitration over how much UConn pays in damages to leave early it undercuts any argument about difficulty for other schools in scheduling or creating an unbalanced league possibly effecting a CCG. There's pretty thought-out language in the contract about where UConn can and cannot seek a home for football, so they knew they'd be looking for a new home.

What that language indicates is there was no plan at all for football. They were winging it and didn’t really care. I’m pretty sure the long term plan is FCS or eliminating it completely. That’s why the lowe4 payout doesn’t matter. They were looking at the payout AFTER football is downgraded or cut.

(06-27-2019 10:56 AM)Bogg Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 10:31 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Not what media reports are saying. They say UConn thought they could park football in the AAC. AAC said no, and apparently, so did the other G5s.

Again, superficially UConn has to seek football-only membership even if they know it's going to be denied because it serves to undercut a portion of the damages argument that will be made in negotiations for an early exit. This isn't complicated.

I get what you're saying, and suspect that you're right. But not knowing the full AAC contract, I also expect that there is language that stipulates that members must participate in all sports in which they compete, with Navy being granted a waiver. There is no expectation that other members could ask for or receive such a waiver.

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(06-27-2019 11:05 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 10:56 AM)Bogg Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 10:31 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Not what media reports are saying. They say UConn thought they could park football in the AAC. AAC said no, and apparently, so did the other G5s.

Again, superficially UConn has to seek football-only membership even if they know it's going to be denied because it serves to undercut a portion of the damages argument that will be made in negotiations for an early exit. This isn't complicated.

I get what you're saying, and suspect that you're right. But not knowing the full AAC contract, I also expect that there is language that stipulates that members must participate in all sports in which they compete, with Navy being granted a waiver. There is no expectation that other members could ask for or receive such a waiver.

USFFan

Yea, technically UConn's going to cease being a member, and they would ask to be admitted as an associate member from the outside essentially on the same day they cease being a full member. The answer will be no, but they wouldn't be trying to claim squatter's rights on membership.

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UConn football didn't grow organically. It was pushed along by the BE football player members to help fund and push it to D1. They may have never got there on their own.
Everyone states this is a stupid move, but UConn took their shot on D1 football. If the old BE would have stayed together, it would have been a good bet. Good P5 lite payout, great basketball conference with good exposure.

The conference split and they just can't hang in football. Not many northeast coast schools can. I don't blame them. Sometimes it is time to cut their losses and get back to doing what you do well. They should drop football completely and put all those resources in basketball.

Remember, they also tried to push Villanova to do the same thing. Luckily for them, they realized it is full hardy and the BE was going to implode. They would probably never compete well in football with the enrollment size and Temple next door.

(06-27-2019 12:04 PM)bearcat29 Wrote:  Sometimes it is time to cut their losses and get back to doing what you do well. They should drop football completely and put all those resources in basketball.

Agreed. But for mainly political/social reasons, they are going to spend a lot more money (which they don’t really have) trying to prop up football as an Independent before they give it a decent burial. To me, that’s the waste of it all.

Quote:Remember, they also tried to push Villanova to do the same thing. Luckily for them, they realized it is full hardy and the BE was going to implode. They would probably never compete well in football with the enrollment size and Temple next door.

I had forgotten, but yeah that is true. Villanova must shudder when they think of what would’ve happened if they had taken UConn’s advice.

(06-27-2019 12:11 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 12:04 PM)bearcat29 Wrote:  Remember, they also tried to push Villanova to do the same thing. Luckily for them, they realized it is full hardy and the BE was going to implode. They would probably never compete well in football with the enrollment size and Temple next door.

I had forgotten, but yeah that is true. Villanova must shudder when they think of what would’ve happened if they had taken UConn’s advice.

Yea, whenever people make those "biggest realignment errors" threads it's funny to me that people don't bring up UConn investing in football in the first place.

(06-27-2019 12:04 PM)bearcat29 Wrote:  UConn football didn't grow organically. It was pushed along by the BE football player members to help fund and push it to D1. They may have never got there on their own.
Everyone states this is a stupid move, but UConn took their shot on D1 football. If the old BE would have stayed together, it would have been a good bet. Good P5 lite payout, great basketball conference with good exposure.

The conference split and they just can't hang in football. Not many northeast coast schools can. I don't blame them. Sometimes it is time to cut their losses and get back to doing what you do well. They should drop football completely and put all those resources in basketball.

Remember, they also tried to push Villanova to do the same thing. Luckily for them, they realized it is full hardy and the BE was going to implode. They would probably never compete well in football with the enrollment size and Temple next door.

Villanova also didn't have a large enough stadium at the time for Division 1-A football. They may not have had much choice. Some schools are limited in their ability to build a stadium to meet FBS standards. Even the University of Miami has had to play in the Dolphins' stadium for years because they haven't been able to find a space for their own stadium (my understanding is that Miami's zoning laws have something to do with that).

I'm not sure I agree that going to the Big East is what is best for UConn, but what's done is done. Good luck to them after they're gone. Just don't beat us or any of our conference mates if we play you OOC!

(06-27-2019 12:30 PM)Golden Jedi Knight Wrote:  Villanova also didn't have a large enough stadium at the time for Division 1-A football.

Neither did UConn, and UConn winding up with a stadium 40 minutes off-campus as a result makes it an even more apt comparison for Nova.

I think the new aac contract couldn't support Sny and or they were not happy about ESpn + an unroven streaming .
Seems like ESPN was using our conference as a guinea pig to hopefully bolster espn+.

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How could this possibly end well for UConn football? Fan interest seems to be at a low, they landed the 128th ranked class last year (below the likes of Portland State), and they have no players signed for 2020 (the average is about 8 for AAC schools so far). If they struggled to get an awful class last year, imagine the difficulty this year. This has FCS written all over it.

(06-27-2019 12:04 PM)bearcat29 Wrote:  UConn football didn't grow organically. It was pushed along by the BE football player members to help fund and push it to D1. They may have never got there on their own.
Everyone states this is a stupid move, but UConn took their shot on D1 football. If the old BE would have stayed together, it would have been a good bet. Good P5 lite payout, great basketball conference with good exposure.

The conference split and they just can't hang in football. Not many northeast coast schools can. I don't blame them. Sometimes it is time to cut their losses and get back to doing what you do well. They should drop football completely and put all those resources in basketball.

Remember, they also tried to push Villanova to do the same thing. Luckily for them, they realized it is full hardy and the BE was going to implode. They would probably never compete well in football with the enrollment size and Temple next door.