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RE: WOW ... looks like UConn hoops IS going to Big East
(06-22-2019 01:06 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(06-22-2019 12:47 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  If this happens, beyond any specific impacts on media, it will be an enormous blow to AAC pride and prestige, and a big boost to the Big East.

1. It is why I said in the other thread that the AAC needs to wait 3 or 4 years when better additions may likely be available, or a partial merger of the AAC into a better brand conference is possible.

2. I think this move likely spells the demise of the UConn football program. They scaled it up in hopes of making a move up and if they return to a basketball only conference I think it goes away eventually.

Good points. But will the AAC be patient? Aresco seems to be quite emotional and his example has made the AAC an emotional, chip on shoulder conference.

They may not react rationally.

Quo, this may come as a surprise to you, but UConn leaving the AAC with what the last few seasons has been tepid basketball and a dumpster fire of football is an unexpected gift to the AAC and apparently ESPN sees it that way since it won't affect their current contract so the pie just got bigger for everyone else with about 9/11ths of a million in exit fees and one less share of the pie. Aresco and the conference have no reason to worry. They'll play Beverly Hillbillies and stand on the porch and wave bye. But they won't say, "Ya'll come back now, hear!"
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RE: WOW ... looks like UConn hoops IS going to Big East
(06-22-2019 01:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
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(06-22-2019 01:01 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 12:47 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  If this happens, beyond any specific impacts on media, it will be an enormous blow to AAC pride and prestige, and a big boost to the Big East.

1. It is why I said in the other thread that the AAC needs to wait 3 or 4 years when better additions may likely be available, or a partial merger of the AAC into a better brand conference is possible.

2. I think this move likely spells the demise of the UConn football program. They scaled it up in hopes of making a move up and if they return to a basketball only conference I think it goes away eventually.

Good points. But will the AAC be patient? Aresco seems to be quite emotional and his example has made the AAC an emotional, chip on shoulder conference.

They may not react rationally.

Quo, this may come as a surprise to you, but UConn leaving the AAC with what the last few seasons has been tepid basketball and a dumpster fire of football is an unexpected gift to the AAC and apparently ESPN sees it that way since it won't affect their current contract so the pie just got bigger for everyone else with about 9/11ths of a million in exit fees and one less share of the pie. Aresco and the conference have no reason to worry. They'll play Beverly Hillbillies and stand on the porch and wave bye. But they won't say, "Ya'll come back now, hear!"

For USF's sake, i hope you are correct about money.

But in terms of pride and prestige, it is a big blow to the AAC.
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RE: WOW ... looks like UConn hoops IS going to Big East
as far as Big East, I really think it's getting beyond stupid with the 20 game conference season. The committee sure didn't reward teams with poor overall records like Indiana last year. Until we start seeing the committee rewarding teams that finish 18-15 or worse, having 2 extra conference games- I just don't see the benefit.
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RE: WOW ... looks like UConn hoops IS going to Big East
(06-22-2019 01:02 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(06-22-2019 12:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  If the AAC is smart and not emotional, they will let UConn football remain in the AAC.

Swallow the pride and do the smart thing.

Aside from an easy win, what good is there in keeping UConn Football in the AAC? The conference seems to be leaning towards westward expansion and Husky football has been an embarrassment to them.

'Easy win' is about wins and losses, and that is ephemeral and thus meaningless. Three years ago UCF was 0-12.

UConn is currently the most valuable AAC school in terms of fundamentals like flagship, athletic budget, academicd, etc.

None of that will matter when they become a full member of the Big East.
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RE: WOW ... looks like UConn hoops IS going to Big East
(06-22-2019 01:14 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 01:02 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 12:59 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 12:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  If the AAC is smart and not emotional, they will let UConn football remain in the AAC.

Swallow the pride and do the smart thing.

Aside from an easy win, what good is there in keeping UConn Football in the AAC? The conference seems to be leaning towards westward expansion and Husky football has been an embarrassment to them.

'Easy win' is about wins and losses, and that is ephemeral and thus meaningless. Three years ago UCF was 0-12.

UConn is currently the most valuable AAC school in terms of fundamentals like flagship, athletic budget, academicd, etc.

None of that will matter when they become a full member of the Big East.

They won't be, as the Big East does not have football.
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RE: WOW ... looks like UConn hoops IS going to Big East
(06-22-2019 12:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  If the AAC is smart and not emotional, they will let UConn football remain in the AAC.

Swallow the pride and do the smart thing.

Actually, UConn might want to move football to a less demanding conference, like the MAC. It has more names that UConn fans are familiar with.
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RE: WOW ... looks like UConn hoops IS going to Big East
(06-22-2019 01:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 01:06 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 01:01 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 12:47 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  If this happens, beyond any specific impacts on media, it will be an enormous blow to AAC pride and prestige, and a big boost to the Big East.

1. It is why I said in the other thread that the AAC needs to wait 3 or 4 years when better additions may likely be available, or a partial merger of the AAC into a better brand conference is possible.

2. I think this move likely spells the demise of the UConn football program. They scaled it up in hopes of making a move up and if they return to a basketball only conference I think it goes away eventually.

Good points. But will the AAC be patient? Aresco seems to be quite emotional and his example has made the AAC an emotional, chip on shoulder conference.

They may not react rationally.

Quo, this may come as a surprise to you, but UConn leaving the AAC with what the last few seasons has been tepid basketball and a dumpster fire of football is an unexpected gift to the AAC and apparently ESPN sees it that way since it won't affect their current contract so the pie just got bigger for everyone else with about 9/11ths of a million in exit fees and one less share of the pie. Aresco and the conference have no reason to worry. They'll play Beverly Hillbillies and stand on the porch and wave bye. But they won't say, "Ya'll come back now, hear!"

Seems obvious UCONN will make more $$ in the Big East then by remaining in the AAC
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RE: WOW ... looks like UConn hoops IS going to Big East
(06-22-2019 01:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  They won't be, as the Big East does not have football.

You can be a full member of a conference and field sports that your conference doesn't sponsor. App State is full member of the Sun Belt that plays wrestling in the SoCon because SB doesn't sponsor it. UConn is moving hoops and their other sports sponsored by the BE to that conference.
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(06-22-2019 01:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  as far as Big East, I really think it's getting beyond stupid with the 20 game conference season. The committee sure didn't reward teams with poor overall records like Indiana last year. Until we start seeing the committee rewarding teams that finish 18-15 or worse, having 2 extra conference games- I just don't see the benefit.

In 2019: One at-large team in the NCAA tournament with 15 losses, one with 14 losses, four with 13 losses.

And there will be more 14 and 15 loss at-large teams once the Big Ten, Pac-12, and Big East start playing 20 conference games.
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RE: WOW ... looks like UConn hoops IS going to Big East
(06-22-2019 12:57 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 12:39 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  https://www.nhregister.com/uconn/article...030270.php

Why did you start another thread. Oh I know look at me quo super troll. How old you are? 11?

Trollololo

As a PITT/NAVY fan this is a huge day

UConn self implodes and their trash heap of a football program leaves the AAC as well as puts a close to the annoying UCONN to the ACC pipe dream
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RE: WOW ... looks like UConn hoops IS going to Big East
(06-22-2019 12:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  If the AAC is smart and not emotional, they will let UConn football remain in the AAC.

Swallow the pride and do the smart thing.

UConn with this move is saying that they are a basketball school that also plays football and that the Big East is a better home for their valued basketball program's. Since football is not a priority for them, they need to move on to independence or drop down to FCS.

The AAC should view this as an opportunity to get better. They should think this over, get some advice feedback from ESPN and then make a move. ODU looks like a good choice and gets the conference into the state of Virginia. If the conference wants to move into the Atlanta market in a football crazy state, Georgia State might have some appeal. If the AAC wants to stay in the northeast for some unknown reason, UMass might be a decent choice. If they were to add BYU for football and VCU for basketball, that could work as well. This will be interesting.
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RE: WOW ... looks like UConn hoops IS going to Big East
(06-22-2019 01:54 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 01:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  as far as Big East, I really think it's getting beyond stupid with the 20 game conference season. The committee sure didn't reward teams with poor overall records like Indiana last year. Until we start seeing the committee rewarding teams that finish 18-15 or worse, having 2 extra conference games- I just don't see the benefit.

In 2019: One at-large team in the NCAA tournament with 15 losses, one with 14 losses, four with 13 losses.

And there will be more 14 and 15 loss at-large teams once the Big Ten, Pac-12, and Big East start playing 20 conference games.

but those teams that got in with that many losses has 19+ wins. In the last 25 years, there has been 1 team that finished the season worse than 4 games over .500. 2000 Georgia who had a bat **** crazy OOC schedule.

Until the committee actually starts taking those teams, it's a believe it when I see it type of situation.
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RE: WOW ... looks like UConn hoops IS going to Big East
(06-22-2019 12:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  If the AAC is smart and not emotional, they will let UConn football remain in the AAC.

Swallow the pride and do the smart thing.

Smart? Connecticut football is not competitive enough to get special status in the American.

The American can function with 11 football members like the Big XII functions with 11 members.
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RE: WOW ... looks like UConn hoops IS going to Big East
(06-22-2019 12:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  If the AAC is smart and not emotional, they will let UConn football remain in the AAC.

Swallow the pride and do the smart thing.

F*** that.

UConn can take all their programs and pound sand.
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RE: WOW ... looks like UConn hoops IS going to Big East
(06-22-2019 03:28 PM)chess Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 12:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  If the AAC is smart and not emotional, they will let UConn football remain in the AAC.

Swallow the pride and do the smart thing.

Smart? Connecticut football is not competitive enough to get special status in the American.

The American can function with 11 football members like the Big XII functions with 11 members.

That analogy won't work because the Big 12 has 10 members.
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RE: WOW ... looks like UConn hoops IS going to Big East
(06-22-2019 12:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  If the AAC is smart and not emotional, they will let UConn football remain in the AAC.

Swallow the pride and do the smart thing.

They were 0-11 last year and an SOS anchor. Dumping them is not pride. Its addition though subtraction for every schedule in the league. They would also soak up full share of football earnings plus a full share of CFP/bowl split. You are absolutely right that UConn is a huge loss for AAC basketball prestige---but football? Not so much.
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(06-22-2019 12:46 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 12:43 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Where does this leave stever? He seemed to jump ship to the AAC but with UConn returning, does he align back with the Big East or have they dubbed him Benedict Arnold?


Stever heads back to his BE brethren

Sorry BE folks - he’s yours now

And now the Big East is the best conference ever.
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(06-22-2019 01:41 PM)billings Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 01:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 01:06 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 01:01 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 12:47 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  If this happens, beyond any specific impacts on media, it will be an enormous blow to AAC pride and prestige, and a big boost to the Big East.

1. It is why I said in the other thread that the AAC needs to wait 3 or 4 years when better additions may likely be available, or a partial merger of the AAC into a better brand conference is possible.

2. I think this move likely spells the demise of the UConn football program. They scaled it up in hopes of making a move up and if they return to a basketball only conference I think it goes away eventually.

Good points. But will the AAC be patient? Aresco seems to be quite emotional and his example has made the AAC an emotional, chip on shoulder conference.

They may not react rationally.

Quo, this may come as a surprise to you, but UConn leaving the AAC with what the last few seasons has been tepid basketball and a dumpster fire of football is an unexpected gift to the AAC and apparently ESPN sees it that way since it won't affect their current contract so the pie just got bigger for everyone else with about 9/11ths of a million in exit fees and one less share of the pie. Aresco and the conference have no reason to worry. They'll play Beverly Hillbillies and stand on the porch and wave bye. But they won't say, "Ya'll come back now, hear!"

Seems obvious UCONN will make more $$ in the Big East then by remaining in the AAC

Not really all that obvious. Its clear UConn is gambling a predicted increase in basketball ticket sales and a decrease in travel costs will more than make up the difference in media/CFP/Bowl money available in the AAC. Even assuming thats true, the 10 million dollar exit fee (and its only that low if they give a 27 month notice--which they have not) would seem to put any break even point more than a few years away. I think this is more about keeping their fans happy. As a Houston fan---I absolutely understand the burning desire of a fan base to get back to playing the teams that matter to them.

Frankly, I thought anything close to the break even point (including the exit fee) for the AAC TV deal would be enough to make the move financially unattractive. I thought as little as 3-4 million a team would probably keep UConn in the AAC. At 7 millon---I figured there was zero doubt they would stay. I vastly underestimated the desire to get back to their old rivals. This move is not financial. This is about keeping the majority of their fans happy. I realize now that the AAC probably had to hit a huge double digit 10+ million a team home run TV deal to keep UConn around. I clearly misread the tea leaves on this one.
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(06-22-2019 03:28 PM)chess Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 12:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  If the AAC is smart and not emotional, they will let UConn football remain in the AAC.

Swallow the pride and do the smart thing.

Smart? Connecticut football is not competitive enough to get special status in the American.

The American can function with 11 football members like the Big XII functions with 11 members.


Ten members


A full round robin only leaves two noncon spots. That’s unlikely to work when schools with budget issues need buy games or home games.
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(06-22-2019 03:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 12:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  If the AAC is smart and not emotional, they will let UConn football remain in the AAC.

Swallow the pride and do the smart thing.

They were 0-11 last year and an SOS anchor. Dumping them is not pride. Its addition though subtraction for every schedule in the league. They would also soak up full share of football earnings plus a full share of CFP/bowl split. You are absolutely right that UConn is a huge loss for AAC basketball prestige---but football? Not so much.

Wins and losses mean little. UCF was 0-12 three years ago.

Fundamentally, UConn is the AAC's best school. Would be cutting off nose to spite face to make their football leave.
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