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RE: WOW ... looks like UConn hoops IS going to Big East
(06-24-2019 05:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(06-24-2019 03:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(06-24-2019 09:54 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  By 'won't change' do you mean the remaining schools will get the same per school payout as under the new deal, or more via getting to split UConn's money?

If the latter, please post a link.

It said the deal would not change, but did not elaborate. I take that to mean the billion stands. Either way, no school is going to get less money now that UConn left, as you seem to imply.

Go find your own link. I don't save them for your pleasure, or to prove anything.

I can imagine that ESPN would allow the per-school payout to remain the same among the left-behinds, but allow thrm to keep UConn's money and get more? That would need a link.

If you make a claim, which you did, then it's your job to provide the link. And you failed.

Not that I have a horse in this race, but there's this (with attribution to Navy's AD):



USFFan

Thanks. The Navy AD believes if UConn is not replaced everyone else will get more. I hope that is true, as USF needs all the money we can get. But IMO, this has to be confirmed, as it seems more logical that ESPN would just remove UConn's share from the deal.

I didn't fail, Quo. You're not my boss. It isn't my job to get you links, and I don't give a flying crap what you think. We have gone through this before.

I was right. That same thing has been stated publicly by maybe 3 sources now. The other 2 were anonymous, but cited by national writers. CBS was one. I forget the other.
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(06-24-2019 05:55 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  [quote='adcorbett' pid='16160468' dateline='1561384847']
Plus, regardless of who the fifth game is, the moment that team wins the conference, the other members will cry foul. And the moment that team wins the NYD bowl slot, the other G5 conferences will cry foul, and rule would be immediately changed.

It is NOT a long term solution.

I don't see this happening at all. Why would other conferences care? As I said, it's just as likely they missed a strong in-conference opponent as a weak one. And the SOS in the AAC is higher on average than in the other G5 conferences anyway, so the others have little ground to stand on.



Why would they care? Because that team may have had an advantage, and taken THEIR slot!. For example, histroy repeats itself, and UCF finishes 12-0 and 7-0 in conference, but skips playing Temple, who finishes 7-1, in their division, Temple cries foul - because they didn't get a chance to beat UCF for the spot in the title game (they'd have the tie breaker), and UCF had an easier path. Probably doesn't help if the other division, for example champion, let's say Houston, went 8-0 or 7-1 in conference, had to beat everyone in their division, and had to also beat Temple as well, meaning they had to play the number two team in each vision, and UCF didn't play the number one or two team in either division. That will not sit well. Then UCF wins the American, and (hypothetical) Boise State, who is 12-0 or even 11-1, point out that UCF had an unfair advantage to get to the title game, much less get the nod.

(06-24-2019 05:55 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  If it's such a big deal, have the two teams play each other twice. NFL teams play their division mates twice a year, so what's the problem?

Teams dread it when it happens in the CCG. Because the team that lost the first game, often has an advantage (unless they are simply not evenly matched teams. No one wants to do it in the regular season. It was brought up as an option in the old Big East, because we all only had 7 conference games, and it was more or less shot down by everyone.
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(06-24-2019 06:46 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  
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(06-24-2019 09:00 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  Plus, regardless of who the fifth game is, the moment that team wins the conference, the other members will cry foul. And the moment that team wins the NYD bowl slot, the other G5 conferences will cry foul, and rule would be immediately changed.

It is NOT a long term solution.

I don't see this happening at all. Why would other conferences care? As I said, it's just as likely they missed a strong in-conference opponent as a weak one. And the SOS in the AAC is higher on average than in the other G5 conferences anyway, so the others have little ground to stand on.

Why would they care? Because that team may have had an advantage, and taken THEIR slot!. For example, histroy repeats itself, and UCF finishes 12-0 and 7-0 in conference, but skips playing Temple, who finishes 7-1, in their division, Temple cries foul - because they didn't get a chance to beat UCF for the spot in the title game (they'd have the tie breaker), and UCF had an easier path. Probably doesn't help if the other division, for example champion, let's say Houston, went 8-0 or 7-1 in conference, had to beat everyone in their division, and had to also beat Temple as well, meaning they had to play the number two team in each vision, and UCF didn't play the number one or two team in either division. That will not sit well. Then UCF wins the American, and (hypothetical) Boise State, who is 12-0 or even 11-1, point out that UCF had an unfair advantage to get to the title game, much less get the nod.

(06-24-2019 05:55 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  If it's such a big deal, have the two teams play each other twice. NFL teams play their division mates twice a year, so what's the problem?

Teams dread it when it happens in the CCG. Because the team that lost the first game, often has an advantage (unless they are simply not evenly matched teams. No one wants to do it in the regular season. It was brought up as an option in the old Big East, because we all only had 7 conference games, and it was more or less shot down by everyone.

Teams have different cross-division opponents than one another every year, and there's no crying foul there about missing tough or weak teams. As long as there's a fair rotation of teams, there are no legitimate grievances to complain about.

And right, the team that lost the first game has an unfair advantage in the second game. You can't be serious. Were you the one I was arguing with about this a while back?
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No it wasn’t me. But you don’t have to ask me: Lsu made this very argument when they had to play Alabama in the bcs national true game. I’m basketball Oklahoma and Georgetown can vouch for it, as they lost national title games within 4 years of each other, to teams they beat three times earlier in the season.

And skipping cross division team isn’t an issue because a cross division team literally cannot win YOUR division, by definition. However a team can win your division without you having a chance to beat them. Again you don’t have to ask me: it happened in the big ten a few years ago before they had a CCG.

Those are things that people knew could happen, but didn’t care much until it DID happen.


You’re free to have your opinion. But you’re not free to put your fingers in year wars and stomp your feet, and say “nuh uh,” when there are many literal examples of these events happening, and teams complaining the big east flat out turned down allowing teams to play twice to fill a gap, because teams were opposed. it is also how temple got in the American when the teams from cusa couldn’t come early, as teams were so opposed to two games against one team, they added a team they originally had no plans to add, just so that they didn’t have to do this... for exactly one season. This is a fact! And that’s how bad an idea it was.

You have no instance of teams showing a that to be favorable. So your assumption they’ll all be okay with it, falls on deaf ears. No team who has eyes On a championship, wants to play more conference games than others in their conference or division. We have seen this when games were canceled and it favored a team, and others cried foul. Actually happened. So to say “everyone will be okay with it,” again falls on deaf ears. And finally conferences conspired to keep the big 12 out of the playoffs becuase they didn’t play a CCG: you don’t thin another g5 would cry foul if a team won the American playing less conference games ,!- potentially took their spot? Again actual evidence shows otherwise, and you’re just acting like a child covering his ears.
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RE: WOW ... looks like UConn hoops IS going to Big East
(06-24-2019 05:05 PM)Crayton Wrote:  IF the AAC can get a waiver to skip 1 (measly) division game solely on the basis of having 11 members (and they should attempt that first before going into deadlines and the like), then they can mathematically guarantee that the top 2 teams in the conference meet for the Conference Championship.

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1. Every team has 6 permanent rivals and alternates the other 4 every other year for 8 conference games apiece.

2. The 2 conference opponents skipped in a given year follows the following pattern. Neighboring teams are skipped:
Odd numbered years: A-B-C-D-E-F-G-H-I-J-K-A
Even numbered years: A-I-G-E-B-D-F-C-K-H-J-A
so team G, for example, skips F and H in odd numbered years and I and E in even numbered years.

If A and G are the top two teams, the "divisions" (for purposes of determining division champs and the round-robin conditions thereof) might look like this
Odd years (div 1) A,C,E,F,H,J
Odd years (div 2) B,D,G,I,K
Even years (div 1) A,I,E,D,C,H
Even years (div 2) G,B,F,K,J

In the odd year example, only division-mates E and F did not play each other, satisfying the conditions of the waiver.
In the even year example, only division-mates A and I did not play each other, satisfying the conditions of the waiver.

The actual make-up of the divisions is moot (any of several permutations would satisfy the constraints), as any 2 teams can ALWAYS be paired in the CCG. Conference standings would be listed in one table. The nitty-gritty would then be determining tie-breakers when not all teams have played one another.

They will go to 12 with whomever ESPN decides. A 12 team AAC makes more sense for ESPN and an extra game on championship weekend at noon is something they had envisioned when they signed the AAC to that deal.
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They can have a CCG with a waiver. The MAC and CUSA got waivers for at least two years (twice in a row for the MAC).

I see no reason the American can't get a waiver to take then at least thru 2024. ESPN will push for that
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(06-24-2019 08:50 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  They can have a CCG with a waiver. The MAC and CUSA got waivers for at least two years (twice in a row for the MAC).

I see no reason the American can't get a waiver to take then at least thru 2024. ESPN will push for that

I think ESPN will find it easier to pick a team they want in the AAC and call it a day. No need to push for anything. When they push they will have to ask for favors from folks who will want something in return. If the ACC couldn't get it which ESPN owns 100% then no way ESPN can just "push" this for the AAC. So much easier and way fewer headaches than just making the AAC add one from a pre-approved list of candidates.
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(06-23-2019 11:02 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(06-23-2019 10:25 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(06-23-2019 09:08 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-23-2019 08:13 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(06-23-2019 08:10 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Agreed, if it's a temporary situation with a definite end date, the AAC is likely to get a waiver. If it's not a temporary situation, then keeping the rule as-is while allowing the AAC to not abide by the rule would effectively be permission for every FBS conference to hold a CCG with division champs without playing divisional round robins and for the Big 12 to hold a CCG without playing a full round robin.

Plus I think if the American ended up with the New Year’s Day a lot, and the champ is from the division that doesn’t play a round robin, and they happened to skip the number 2 or 3 team in that division, other G5 conferences would call foul.

I dont believe they need a waiver. It only takes 5 games to play a round robin in the heavy side of an unbalanced AAC. It only takes 4 games to do it on the other side. Completing that divisional round robin is the ONLY requirement needed to comply with the CCG rule. If a couple of teams dont end up with 3 cross divisional games---that actually does not impact the leagues ability to comply with the guidelines allowing the CCG.


(b) Conference Championship Game. One conference championship game:

(1) Between division champions of a conference that is divided into two divisions (as equally balanced in number as possible) and conducts round-robin, regular-season competition in each
division; or

(2) Between the top two teams in the conference standings following full round-robin regular season competition among all members of the conference.

No, the math doesn’t work. You’re left with two teams either playing only seven conference game, two teams playing nine conference games, or two teams playing each other twice.

It can be done. Here is one example. It ain't easy, nor pretty nor desirable, but it can be done.

Div A has 6 teams and Div B has 5 teams.

A1 plays A2-6 + B1-3
A2 plays A1, A3-6 + B1-3
A3 plays As + B1-3
A4 plays As + B1-3
A5 plays As + B4-5 + one OOC designated as conf game (for example, Navy could count Air Force)
A6 plays As + B4-5 + one OOC designated as conf game

B1 plays B2-5 + A1-4
Same for B2, B3
B4 plays B1-3+B5, + A5, A6 and 2 OOC designated as conf games
Same for B5

Then rotate through the system each year, moving everybody down a slot.

Everybody plays 8 "conference" games every year. But 6 of them total are really OOC games which count in the standings. But still, you played round robin within your division each year.

Now, would any conference do that on purpose, starting from scratch? I doubt it. Nine or 10 is the optimum number. You can just play round robin with 8 or 9 conference games. Then, bigger than that, even numbers are best.

Odd numbers above 10 are convoluted, but still allowed.

Would the A and B division teams counting 1 and 2 OOC games as conference games have to play the same OOC teams each year to make this work? Like if Temple and ECU are your B4 and B5 would they have to play the same two teams, say Charlotte and App State, that one season? And if Navy was A5 and counted Air Force would the A6 team also have to play Air Force? Or could this work by having the AAC as a league guarantee one or two games a year to UMass, Liberty, Army (but not against Navy as that couldn’t be used to CCG reasons because of timing) BYU and/or an independent UConn?
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Having perused this board many years
And whilst quaffing some tasty craft beers
I’ve learned homers — Quo hates
And read robust debates
With my first post, I offer a “cheers”

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(06-24-2019 08:15 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  No it wasn’t me. But you don’t have to ask me: Lsu made this very argument when they had to play Alabama in the bcs national true game. I’m basketball Oklahoma and Georgetown can vouch for it, as they lost national title games within 4 years of each other, to teams they beat three times earlier in the season.

And skipping cross division team isn’t an issue because a cross division team literally cannot win YOUR division, by definition. However a team can win your division without you having a chance to beat them. Again you don’t have to ask me: it happened in the big ten a few years ago before they had a CCG.

Those are things that people knew could happen, but didn’t care much until it DID happen.


You’re free to have your opinion. But you’re not free to put your fingers in year wars and stomp your feet, and say “nuh uh,” when there are many literal examples of these events happening, and teams complaining the big east flat out turned down allowing teams to play twice to fill a gap, because teams were opposed. it is also how temple got in the American when the teams from cusa couldn’t come early, as teams were so opposed to two games against one team, they added a team they originally had no plans to add, just so that they didn’t have to do this... for exactly one season. This is a fact! And that’s how bad an idea it was.

You have no instance of teams showing a that to be favorable. So your assumption they’ll all be okay with it, falls on deaf ears. No team who has eyes On a championship, wants to play more conference games than others in their conference or division. We have seen this when games were canceled and it favored a team, and others cried foul. Actually happened. So to say “everyone will be okay with it,” again falls on deaf ears. And finally conferences conspired to keep the big 12 out of the playoffs becuase they didn’t play a CCG: you don’t thin another g5 would cry foul if a team won the American playing less conference games ,!- potentially took their spot? Again actual evidence shows otherwise, and you’re just acting like a child covering his ears.

Nothing more convincing than personal insults when you're losing an argument. 07-coffee3
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(06-24-2019 09:08 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  
(06-23-2019 11:02 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(06-23-2019 10:25 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(06-23-2019 09:08 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-23-2019 08:13 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Plus I think if the American ended up with the New Year’s Day a lot, and the champ is from the division that doesn’t play a round robin, and they happened to skip the number 2 or 3 team in that division, other G5 conferences would call foul.

I dont believe they need a waiver. It only takes 5 games to play a round robin in the heavy side of an unbalanced AAC. It only takes 4 games to do it on the other side. Completing that divisional round robin is the ONLY requirement needed to comply with the CCG rule. If a couple of teams dont end up with 3 cross divisional games---that actually does not impact the leagues ability to comply with the guidelines allowing the CCG.


(b) Conference Championship Game. One conference championship game:

(1) Between division champions of a conference that is divided into two divisions (as equally balanced in number as possible) and conducts round-robin, regular-season competition in each
division; or

(2) Between the top two teams in the conference standings following full round-robin regular season competition among all members of the conference.

No, the math doesn’t work. You’re left with two teams either playing only seven conference game, two teams playing nine conference games, or two teams playing each other twice.

It can be done. Here is one example. It ain't easy, nor pretty nor desirable, but it can be done.

Div A has 6 teams and Div B has 5 teams.

A1 plays A2-6 + B1-3
A2 plays A1, A3-6 + B1-3
A3 plays As + B1-3
A4 plays As + B1-3
A5 plays As + B4-5 + one OOC designated as conf game (for example, Navy could count Air Force)
A6 plays As + B4-5 + one OOC designated as conf game

B1 plays B2-5 + A1-4
Same for B2, B3
B4 plays B1-3+B5, + A5, A6 and 2 OOC designated as conf games
Same for B5

Then rotate through the system each year, moving everybody down a slot.

Everybody plays 8 "conference" games every year. But 6 of them total are really OOC games which count in the standings. But still, you played round robin within your division each year.

Now, would any conference do that on purpose, starting from scratch? I doubt it. Nine or 10 is the optimum number. You can just play round robin with 8 or 9 conference games. Then, bigger than that, even numbers are best.

Odd numbers above 10 are convoluted, but still allowed.

Would the A and B division teams counting 1 and 2 OOC games as conference games have to play the same OOC teams each year to make this work? Like if Temple and ECU are your B4 and B5 would they have to play the same two teams, say Charlotte and App State, that one season? And if Navy was A5 and counted Air Force would the A6 team also have to play Air Force? Or could this work by having the AAC as a league guarantee one or two games a year to UMass, Liberty, Army (but not against Navy as that couldn’t be used to CCG reasons because of timing) BYU and/or an independent UConn?

I haven't given that much thought, b/c I was just trying to figure out one example of a mathematical permutation that would even work.

To answer your first question, I doubt they would be permanent OOC opponents (except maybe for Navy/AFA). Instead, I think all the teams would rotate through as A1 for probably 2 years, then A2 for 2 years, and so on. Same thing on the B side.

Another possibility is what adcorbett mentioned, where different teams play a different # of conference games, and just go by winning percentages.

Both systems (or any other, I'm sure there are more) have inherent unfairness, and certainly wouldn't be something I would choose, but it is mathematically possible.
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Well, if accurate, here is a simple solution.

From the Cincinnati Enquirer:

With 11 teams, the AAC could ditch divisions and instead pit the two teams with the highest national ranking at regular season's end in the conference championship game. That, the source said, would help raise the league’s profile and better position for a college football playoff spot and/or prestigious bowl bids.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/...553756001/

Well, adcorbett, I guess we were debating for nothing. 04-cheers
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(06-24-2019 08:48 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 05:05 PM)Crayton Wrote:  IF the AAC can get a waiver to skip 1 (measly) division game solely on the basis of having 11 members (and they should attempt that first before going into deadlines and the like), then they can mathematically guarantee that the top 2 teams in the conference meet for the Conference Championship.

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They will go to 12 with whomever ESPN decides. A 12 team AAC makes more sense for ESPN and an extra game on championship weekend at noon is something they had envisioned when they signed the AAC to that deal.
I think the point many are debating is that the AAC could stay at 11 AND have their "extra game on championship weekend at noon." No doubt the conference would keep the game at every cost.

(06-24-2019 10:05 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Well, if accurate, here is a simple solution.

From the Cincinnati Enquirer:

With 11 teams, the AAC could ditch divisions and instead pit the two teams with the highest national ranking at regular season's end in the conference championship game. That, the source said, would help raise the league’s profile and better position for a college football playoff spot and/or prestigious bowl bids.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/...553756001/

Well, adcorbett, I guess we were debating for nothing. 04-cheers
Meh. The article demonstrates no knowledge of the requirements to stage said CCG.
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(06-24-2019 10:26 PM)Crayton Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 08:48 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 05:05 PM)Crayton Wrote:  IF the AAC can get a waiver to skip 1 (measly) division game solely on the basis of having 11 members (and they should attempt that first before going into deadlines and the like), then they can mathematically guarantee that the top 2 teams in the conference meet for the Conference Championship.

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They will go to 12 with whomever ESPN decides. A 12 team AAC makes more sense for ESPN and an extra game on championship weekend at noon is something they had envisioned when they signed the AAC to that deal.
I think the point many are debating is that the AAC could stay at 11 AND have their "extra game on championship weekend at noon." No doubt the conference would keep the game at every cost.

But they can't without a waiver which they wont get. ESPN will make them choose a school to get to 12. It's just the easiest way for everyone and ESPN will make sure it happens.
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(06-24-2019 10:26 PM)Crayton Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 08:48 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 05:05 PM)Crayton Wrote:  IF the AAC can get a waiver to skip 1 (measly) division game solely on the basis of having 11 members (and they should attempt that first before going into deadlines and the like), then they can mathematically guarantee that the top 2 teams in the conference meet for the Conference Championship.

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They will go to 12 with whomever ESPN decides. A 12 team AAC makes more sense for ESPN and an extra game on championship weekend at noon is something they had envisioned when they signed the AAC to that deal.
I think the point many are debating is that the AAC could stay at 11 AND have their "extra game on championship weekend at noon." No doubt the conference would keep the game at every cost.

(06-24-2019 10:05 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Well, if accurate, here is a simple solution.

From the Cincinnati Enquirer:

With 11 teams, the AAC could ditch divisions and instead pit the two teams with the highest national ranking at regular season's end in the conference championship game. That, the source said, would help raise the league’s profile and better position for a college football playoff spot and/or prestigious bowl bids.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/...553756001/

Well, adcorbett, I guess we were debating for nothing. 04-cheers
Meh. The article demonstrates no knowledge of the requirements to stage said CCG.

Exactly. Typical reporter. Not that surprising. What’s sad is I’ve seen conference commissioners make statements that reflect the same lack of understanding of the rules.
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RE: WOW ... looks like UConn hoops IS going to Big East
(06-24-2019 10:35 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 10:26 PM)Crayton Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 08:48 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 05:05 PM)Crayton Wrote:  IF the AAC can get a waiver to skip 1 (measly) division game solely on the basis of having 11 members (and they should attempt that first before going into deadlines and the like), then they can mathematically guarantee that the top 2 teams in the conference meet for the Conference Championship.

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They will go to 12 with whomever ESPN decides. A 12 team AAC makes more sense for ESPN and an extra game on championship weekend at noon is something they had envisioned when they signed the AAC to that deal.
I think the point many are debating is that the AAC could stay at 11 AND have their "extra game on championship weekend at noon." No doubt the conference would keep the game at every cost.

But they can't without a waiver which they wont get. ESPN will make them choose a school to get to 12. It's just the easiest way for everyone and ESPN will make sure it happens.

Thank God we have an ESPN insider who knows exactly what they're going to do on here...

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RE: WOW ... looks like UConn hoops IS going to Big East
(06-24-2019 08:50 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  They can have a CCG with a waiver. The MAC and CUSA got waivers for at least two years (twice in a row for the MAC).

I see no reason the American can't get a waiver to take then at least thru 2024. ESPN will push for that
The MAC was contractually bound to continue with UMass as an affiliate for a given number of years before the "all in or all out" ultimatum could be made. As soon as that term had expired, the MAC mad the ultimatum, reportedly with a 14th team lined up in case UMass said "all in".

If the American has something similar ... UConn is gone in July, 2021 and the replacement is in a position to move until July 2022 or 2023 ... then they'll get a waiver. But if the American is just applying for the waiver and hoping for it to be renewed on an indefinite basis, that falls outside the MAC precedent.
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Sorry but if the Big "12" can play a CCG with 10, then the AAC should get an 11 round robin waiver.
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RE: WOW ... looks like UConn hoops IS going to Big East
(06-24-2019 11:38 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 08:50 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  They can have a CCG with a waiver. The MAC and CUSA got waivers for at least two years (twice in a row for the MAC).

I see no reason the American can't get a waiver to take then at least thru 2024. ESPN will push for that
The MAC was contractually bound to continue with UMass as an affiliate for a given number of years before the "all in or all out" ultimatum could be made. As soon as that term had expired, the MAC mad the ultimatum, reportedly with a 14th team lined up in case UMass said "all in".

If the American has something similar ... UConn is gone in July, 2021 and the replacement is in a position to move until July 2022 or 2023 ... then they'll get a waiver. But if the American is just applying for the waiver and hoping for it to be renewed on an indefinite basis, that falls outside the MAC precedent.

Yeah I'm trying to understand why ESPN would push AAC to take a product AWAY from ESPN that ESPN has for very little money and want to pay $7 million to have that school in AAC with more linear exposure.
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RE: WOW ... looks like UConn hoops IS going to Big East
The AAC does not need a waiver for a CCG if they play a full round robin schedule with 11 teams (10 conf games not gonna happen), OR if they go to unbalanced split divisions of 6/5, and play round robins inside each division, which requires unbalanced conf schedules or using some OOC games to count in conference. Messy and inherently unfair to some. That NCAA rule has been posted elsewhere here.

What they do need a waiver for (one example) would be if they stay at 11, play a regular 8 game conference schedule each, and use the 2 highest ranked CFP teams (or some other ranking) to play in the CCG. This they are discussing.
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