(06-23-2019 08:01 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 07:56 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 07:53 PM)B easy Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 07:27 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 07:26 PM)B easy Wrote:  ESPN would clearly consider modifying the contract if they agree that a prospective addition added value. The contract is not set in stone if both parties are in consent to a modification. Certainly BYU & BSU would add value.

For the 100th BYU is not going to ever happen. Why would espn have any incentive to modify the contract? Not to mention it was already negotiated for us to lose one school which means espn clearly knew we would add some one if we lost uconn.

Honestly its not that simple, we cant just add a school and then hope espn blows up the contract and suddenly gives us more money.

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I'm not saying BYU is going to happen & I'm not advocating adding anyone right now but it would be irresponsible to not negotiate with our tv partner ahead of time as well as prospective lucrative additions. Everyone in this equation brings something to the table and with a little creativity we could collectively determine avenues for mutual symbiotic benefits via conference expansion. Not many here thought UCONN would leave under these circumstances but it's happening.

Not saying it will happen but we must leave no stone unturned as contracts were made to be broken, contingent upon it making fiscal sense of course. ESPN could determine that it's in their best interest to consolidate power by strengthening assets they've already acquired. BYU needs access to the major bowls and could actually be worth more with us than without us in the eyes of ESPN because it bolsters the AAC's likelihood of continuing to consistently dominate that access bowl as we are a major investment for them at this point.

You’re underestimating BYU’s arrogance they dont care about access bowls or even money. They would literally take less money if it meant not joining the aac.

I imagine there will be talk between the conference and espn, but ultimately neither side has the leverage to force the other into an agreement.

Alos while we didn’t think uconn would leave clearly the conference knew it was very likely. Why else would aresco have negotiated it into the contract?

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Don't think that by now some reality is sinking in at BYU? Plus, the success of the AAC pretty much shows that you can 'win' from here... 3 NY6 bowl wins (thanks UCF and Houston) and a quasi NC. Would think BYU would have LOVED to have that much attention. We are not the SBC/MAC/MWC/cUSA.

Bingo. There should be some common ground but we may have to get a little creative to find it. We're by far the best thing going outside the P5 and we actually have a lot to offer BYU at this point in time notwithstanding their 'arrogance.' It's not like we're asking them to sign a GOR and I have a sneaky suspicion that they'd prefer an all sports invite as opposed to football only which intrinsically turns the attention towards BSU as well. Again, it may end up not being feasible for a variety of reasons but it also makes too much sense to ignore. Exploring our options is critical right now and we have a lot more bargaining power than many realize at this point in time.

(06-23-2019 08:08 PM)B easy Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 08:01 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 07:56 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 07:53 PM)B easy Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 07:27 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  For the 100th BYU is not going to ever happen. Why would espn have any incentive to modify the contract? Not to mention it was already negotiated for us to lose one school which means espn clearly knew we would add some one if we lost uconn.

Honestly its not that simple, we cant just add a school and then hope espn blows up the contract and suddenly gives us more money.

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I'm not saying BYU is going to happen & I'm not advocating adding anyone right now but it would be irresponsible to not negotiate with our tv partner ahead of time as well as prospective lucrative additions. Everyone in this equation brings something to the table and with a little creativity we could collectively determine avenues for mutual symbiotic benefits via conference expansion. Not many here thought UCONN would leave under these circumstances but it's happening.

Not saying it will happen but we must leave no stone unturned as contracts were made to be broken, contingent upon it making fiscal sense of course. ESPN could determine that it's in their best interest to consolidate power by strengthening assets they've already acquired. BYU needs access to the major bowls and could actually be worth more with us than without us in the eyes of ESPN because it bolsters the AAC's likelihood of continuing to consistently dominate that access bowl as we are a major investment for them at this point.

You’re underestimating BYU’s arrogance they dont care about access bowls or even money. They would literally take less money if it meant not joining the aac.

I imagine there will be talk between the conference and espn, but ultimately neither side has the leverage to force the other into an agreement.

Alos while we didn’t think uconn would leave clearly the conference knew it was very likely. Why else would aresco have negotiated it into the contract?

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Don't think that by now some reality is sinking in at BYU? Plus, the success of the AAC pretty much shows that you can 'win' from here... 3 NY6 bowl wins (thanks UCF and Houston) and a quasi NC. Would think BYU would have LOVED to have that much attention. We are not the SBC/MAC/MWC/cUSA.

Bingo. There should be some common ground but we may have to get a little creative to find it. We're by far the best thing going outside the P5 and we actually have a lot to offer BYU at this point in time notwithstanding their 'arrogance.' It's not like we're asking them to sign a GOR and I have a sneaky suspicion that they'd prefer an all sports invite as opposed to football only which intrinsically turns the attention towards BSU as well. Again, it may end up not being feasible for a variety of reasons but it also makes too much sense to ignore. Exploring our options is critical right now and we have a lot more bargaining power than many realize at this point in time.

BYU doesn’t care if it makes sense they care about not admitting that Utah is better than them. In their eyes joining a G5 conference means they are conceding defeat and that Utah is a better program. Unless we become a P5 conference BYU wont accept anything we offer them.


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(06-23-2019 08:10 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 08:08 PM)B easy Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 08:01 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 07:56 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 07:53 PM)B easy Wrote:  I'm not saying BYU is going to happen & I'm not advocating adding anyone right now but it would be irresponsible to not negotiate with our tv partner ahead of time as well as prospective lucrative additions. Everyone in this equation brings something to the table and with a little creativity we could collectively determine avenues for mutual symbiotic benefits via conference expansion. Not many here thought UCONN would leave under these circumstances but it's happening.

Not saying it will happen but we must leave no stone unturned as contracts were made to be broken, contingent upon it making fiscal sense of course. ESPN could determine that it's in their best interest to consolidate power by strengthening assets they've already acquired. BYU needs access to the major bowls and could actually be worth more with us than without us in the eyes of ESPN because it bolsters the AAC's likelihood of continuing to consistently dominate that access bowl as we are a major investment for them at this point.

You’re underestimating BYU’s arrogance they dont care about access bowls or even money. They would literally take less money if it meant not joining the aac.

I imagine there will be talk between the conference and espn, but ultimately neither side has the leverage to force the other into an agreement.

Alos while we didn’t think uconn would leave clearly the conference knew it was very likely. Why else would aresco have negotiated it into the contract?

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Don't think that by now some reality is sinking in at BYU? Plus, the success of the AAC pretty much shows that you can 'win' from here... 3 NY6 bowl wins (thanks UCF and Houston) and a quasi NC. Would think BYU would have LOVED to have that much attention. We are not the SBC/MAC/MWC/cUSA.

Bingo. There should be some common ground but we may have to get a little creative to find it. We're by far the best thing going outside the P5 and we actually have a lot to offer BYU at this point in time notwithstanding their 'arrogance.' It's not like we're asking them to sign a GOR and I have a sneaky suspicion that they'd prefer an all sports invite as opposed to football only which intrinsically turns the attention towards BSU as well. Again, it may end up not being feasible for a variety of reasons but it also makes too much sense to ignore. Exploring our options is critical right now and we have a lot more bargaining power than many realize at this point in time.

BYU doesn’t care if it makes sense they care about not admitting that Utah is better than them. In their eyes joining a G5 conference means they are conceding defeat and that Utah is a better program. Unless we become a P5 conference BYU wont accept anything we offer them.


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Not even saying you are wrong but not putting on the full court press is ludicrous IMO. Perceptions, attitudes and even ideologies have a funny way of adapting over time. The AAC has more than financial incentives to offer BYU and together we are stronger than apart. There is certainly a synergy pitch that could be made here. The philosophy that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts is clearly applicable.

(06-23-2019 08:23 PM)B easy Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 08:10 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 08:08 PM)B easy Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 08:01 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 07:56 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  You’re underestimating BYU’s arrogance they dont care about access bowls or even money. They would literally take less money if it meant not joining the aac.

I imagine there will be talk between the conference and espn, but ultimately neither side has the leverage to force the other into an agreement.

Alos while we didn’t think uconn would leave clearly the conference knew it was very likely. Why else would aresco have negotiated it into the contract?

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Don't think that by now some reality is sinking in at BYU? Plus, the success of the AAC pretty much shows that you can 'win' from here... 3 NY6 bowl wins (thanks UCF and Houston) and a quasi NC. Would think BYU would have LOVED to have that much attention. We are not the SBC/MAC/MWC/cUSA.

Bingo. There should be some common ground but we may have to get a little creative to find it. We're by far the best thing going outside the P5 and we actually have a lot to offer BYU at this point in time notwithstanding their 'arrogance.' It's not like we're asking them to sign a GOR and I have a sneaky suspicion that they'd prefer an all sports invite as opposed to football only which intrinsically turns the attention towards BSU as well. Again, it may end up not being feasible for a variety of reasons but it also makes too much sense to ignore. Exploring our options is critical right now and we have a lot more bargaining power than many realize at this point in time.

BYU doesn’t care if it makes sense they care about not admitting that Utah is better than them. In their eyes joining a G5 conference means they are conceding defeat and that Utah is a better program. Unless we become a P5 conference BYU wont accept anything we offer them.


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Not even saying you are wrong but not putting on the full court press is ludicrous IMO. Perceptions, attitudes and even ideologies have a funny way of adapting over time. The AAC has more than financial incentives to offer BYU and together we are stronger than apart. There is certainly a synergy pitch that could be made here. The philosophy that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts is clearly applicable.

I mean I’m sure we will try. But ill win the lottery before BYU ever joins a G5 conference.


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(06-23-2019 07:18 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(06-22-2019 07:51 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Air Force football only. Allows Navy and Air Force to free up a OOC game. Air Force Olympics to WCC with BYU (or WAC or Horizon). Air Force likely comes out with a better money deal than it had with MWC.

This is one reason why I think adding Air Force is more likely than adding Army. Another is turning Army-Navy into a conference game is quite difficult. Army seems like a non-starter to me, unless the American agrees that Army-Navy will be a non-conference game....

Thats literally the only way it works. Moving it from its current date destroys much (if not most) of the value of the game.

(06-23-2019 06:04 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 06:01 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  An interesting question to kick around. Splitting the UConn slot between a football only school (like Army) and VCU has been suggested. While I dont think its a likely option for any school outside of the acadmies, a football only membership in the AAC would probably be worth about 5 million a year (7 million x .7 = 4.9 million).

Would a school with a good football program like Marshall or S Miss even consider such an offer? Is there a viable place to park their olympic sports even if they were entertain such an offer? Five million a year and a huge jump in linear exposure might be enough to get a CUSA school with a good football programs attention.

Ive heard rumors that aresco is a very hard no on inviting two different schools for two sports. It has to be an all sports school or nothing at all.


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He's said that before. However, he's never had to stand in front of presidents and explain to them how Marshall is a reasonable replacement for UConn. There is not a single solitary school, who would say "yes" to an AAC invite, that can provide the total package of attributes that UConn provides (basketball blue blood, former power conference member, state flagship, controls a large media market, largest budget in the conference, strong academics, etc). A split membership at least allows the conference to effectively better the on field performance we were getting out of UConn by adding a well above average football team and a well above average basketball team.

(06-23-2019 08:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 06:04 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 06:01 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  An interesting question to kick around. Splitting the UConn slot between a football only school (like Army) and VCU has been suggested. While I dont think its a likely option for any school outside of the acadmies, a football only membership in the AAC would probably be worth about 5 million a year (7 million x .7 = 4.9 million).

Would a school with a good football program like Marshall or S Miss even consider such an offer? Is there a viable place to park their olympic sports even if they were entertain such an offer? Five million a year and a huge jump in linear exposure might be enough to get a CUSA school with a good football programs attention.

Ive heard rumors that aresco is a very hard no on inviting two different schools for two sports. It has to be an all sports school or nothing at all.


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He's said that before. However, he's never had to stand in front of presidents and explain to them how Marshall is a reasonable replacement for UConn. There is not a single solitary school, who would say "yes" to an AAC invite, that can provide the total package of attributes that UConn provides (basketball blue blood, former power conference member, state flagship, controls a large media market, largest budget in the conference, strong academics, etc). A split membership at least allows the conference to effectively better the on field performance we were getting out of UConn by adding a well above average football team and a well above average basketball team.

Maybe but the logistics of it make it very difficult.


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Add Navy in all sports. Add Army in all sports. Kick out Wichita State. Done.

Focus on football. It's the only sport that matters in college athletics.

UConn just cut their own throats. They will drop football in the next five years.

(06-25-2019 08:35 PM)PATiger Wrote:  Add Navy in all sports. Add Army in all sports. Kick out Wichita State. Done.

Focus on football. It's the only sport that matters in college athletics.

UConn just cut their own throats. They will drop football in the next five years.

three horrible ideas

but thank you for playing

(06-23-2019 08:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 06:04 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 06:01 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  An interesting question to kick around. Splitting the UConn slot between a football only school (like Army) and VCU has been suggested. While I dont think its a likely option for any school outside of the acadmies, a football only membership in the AAC would probably be worth about 5 million a year (7 million x .7 = 4.9 million).

Would a school with a good football program like Marshall or S Miss even consider such an offer? Is there a viable place to park their olympic sports even if they were entertain such an offer? Five million a year and a huge jump in linear exposure might be enough to get a CUSA school with a good football programs attention.

Ive heard rumors that aresco is a very hard no on inviting two different schools for two sports. It has to be an all sports school or nothing at all.


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He's said that before. However, he's never had to stand in front of presidents and explain to them how Marshall is a reasonable replacement for UConn. There is not a single solitary school, who would say "yes" to an AAC invite, that can provide the total package of attributes that UConn provides (basketball blue blood, former power conference member, state flagship, controls a large media market, largest budget in the conference, strong academics, etc). A split membership at least allows the conference to effectively better the on field performance we were getting out of UConn by adding a well above average football team and a well above average basketball team.

Please stop saying “state flagship”

1) Maine is a state flagship
2) within the context of the AAC, “Flagship” is now a slang term used for the worst team in any of our sports. It was named after a, now former, member kept calling themselves the flagship then turning out to be the worst football team imaginable.


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My preferred action is to buy Aresco his own private jet so he can do more radio interviews promoting the P6 fallacy. Have to have a private chef as well, the man has to eat.

New Mexico.

Reasons,
1, Adding two Senators might not be a bad idea.
2, the Flagship program of the state.
3, Bowl game. Although a small bowl game.
4, Solid basketball program.

I think BYU has to be considering the possibility of being a football only member. I know that BYU has a ego the size of a planet but at some point they are going to want to play for something. And I know they got a decent deal before with ESPN staying Indy but things have changed now. The AAC is not the same conference it was years back. If BYU wants at some point to have its football program in a conference then the AAC is going to be the best bet. If the Big 12 or Pac 12 wanted them they would have taken them by now. I think at the end of the day ESPN is going to push hard to get BYU in the AAC to increase the brand value.

Now if we can not get BYU then I like either New Mexico or Army, now if those two don't work then we should stay at 11 and make as much money as possible.

(06-25-2019 08:35 PM)PATiger Wrote:  Add Navy in all sports. Add Army in all sports. Kick out Wichita State. Done.

Focus on football. It's the only sport that matters in college athletics.

UConn just cut their own throats. They will drop football in the next five years.

STFU. Dope

New Mexico, hilarious.

(06-25-2019 11:25 PM)liquidshade Wrote:  I think BYU has to be considering the possibility of being a football only member. I know that BYU has a ego the size of a planet but at some point they are going to want to play for something. And I know they got a decent deal before with ESPN staying Indy but things have changed now. The AAC is not the same conference it was years back. If BYU wants at some point to have its football program in a conference then the AAC is going to be the best bet. If the Big 12 or Pac 12 wanted them they would have taken them by now. I think at the end of the day ESPN is going to push hard to get BYU in the AAC to increase the brand value.

Now if we can not get BYU then I like either New Mexico or Army, now if those two don't work then we should stay at 11 and make as much money as possible.

NM St is available with decent BB with their rest of their sports if New Mexico doesn't jump the MWC ship. Army and BYU have said no on all occasions where they were approached before. Getting dumped by UConn will not help the AAC and its P6 case to draw them in now.

(06-25-2019 10:11 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  My preferred action is to buy Aresco his own private jet so he can do more radio interviews promoting the P6 fallacy. Have to have a private chef as well, the man has to eat.

agree and maybe hike his annual salary to ~9M. No reason he should make less than some coaches.

(06-26-2019 06:56 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 10:11 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  My preferred action is to buy Aresco his own private jet so he can do more radio interviews promoting the P6 fallacy. Have to have a private chef as well, the man has to eat.

agree and maybe hike his annual salary to ~9M. No reason he should make less than some coaches.

The fan of one of the last teams in Hates the conference the most - go figure

Maybe there is talk of kicking them out

(06-26-2019 12:40 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 08:35 PM)PATiger Wrote:  Add Navy in all sports. Add Army in all sports. Kick out Wichita State. Done.

Focus on football. It's the only sport that matters in college athletics.

UConn just cut their own throats. They will drop football in the next five years.

STFU. Dope

I can't tell if that was...

STFU you dope!


or...

STFU!! Dope!!

Add football-only Army and be done with it. Don't miss an opportunity to gain a national brand that has a national following and puts people in seats. And you will get the opportunity in the near future to visit the most scenic football venue on the planet while Army plays your team. Heck, stay in NYC for a couple of nights, too.

I'm having difficulty understanding why anyone could argue reasonably against this.