With one scholie left to give, Parris coming back and most of the recruiting class known at this point, what are we thinking for next year? .500? 20 wins?

(06-22-2019 10:27 AM)emu79 Wrote:  With one scholie left to give, Parris coming back and most of the recruiting class known at this point, what are we thinking for next year? .500? 20 wins?

All we can do is guess because of so many changes. One thing hasn't changed and that's the coach. Based on his record I'll say 10-12 wins at best. Sub .500. Hope I'm wrong but I have little faith in this coach. Opponents have figured out his system and have an easy time picking it apart. Things could change if he decides to get flexible though. Of course, we know that will never happen.

Impossible to say, considering a large portion of our team is new. With the returnees that we have, I would guess that we will be projected to finish at the bottom of the conference. But I think the 2-3 zone will keep us in most games, and we may even win a few if the new guys can pick up Murphy’s “offense”, and put the ball in the basket. My guess is that we will surprise some people, but it still won’t be enough for Murphy to keep his job.

This program confuses me. I get that players transfer (Oakland who was set to have a VERY good team return just lost 5-6 guys) but what is the direction of this team? Most of the recruits the past few years I have seen have been JUCO guys who I'm not sold on. Has not been a big in-state recruit in a while. Now I'm with you guys and thinking this is likely a 10 win team. Very average at best. Not sure what direction they are headed in, i.e. not young enough to sell people on youth and losing.

(06-23-2019 09:15 AM)steve4840 Wrote:  This program confuses me. I get that players transfer (Oakland who was set to have a VERY good team return just lost 5-6 guys) but what is the direction of this team? Most of the recruits the past few years I have seen have been JUCO guys who I'm not sold on. Has not been a big in-state recruit in a while. Now I'm with you guys and thinking this is likely a 10 win team. Very average at best. Not sure what direction they are headed in, i.e. not young enough to sell people on youth and losing.

Its called trying to save your job. That's the direction this program and team is in this year. Its like poker you get 7 cards and don't like 5 of them to make a winning hand so you ask the dealer for 5 new cards in hopes you'll have a winning hand.

(06-23-2019 10:43 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 09:15 AM)steve4840 Wrote:  This program confuses me. I get that players transfer (Oakland who was set to have a VERY good team return just lost 5-6 guys) but what is the direction of this team? Most of the recruits the past few years I have seen have been JUCO guys who I'm not sold on. Has not been a big in-state recruit in a while. Now I'm with you guys and thinking this is likely a 10 win team. Very average at best. Not sure what direction they are headed in, i.e. not young enough to sell people on youth and losing.

Its called trying to save your job. That's the direction this program and team is in this year. Its like poker you get 7 cards and don't like 5 of them to make a winning hand so you ask the dealer for 5 new cards in hopes you'll have a winning hand.

Lots of Transfers from four year programs, yes. Lots of transfers from JUCOs, nah.

(06-23-2019 02:51 PM)KPJ Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 10:43 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 09:15 AM)steve4840 Wrote:  This program confuses me. I get that players transfer (Oakland who was set to have a VERY good team return just lost 5-6 guys) but what is the direction of this team? Most of the recruits the past few years I have seen have been JUCO guys who I'm not sold on. Has not been a big in-state recruit in a while. Now I'm with you guys and thinking this is likely a 10 win team. Very average at best. Not sure what direction they are headed in, i.e. not young enough to sell people on youth and losing.

Its called trying to save your job. That's the direction this program and team is in this year. Its like poker you get 7 cards and don't like 5 of them to make a winning hand so you ask the dealer for 5 new cards in hopes you'll have a winning hand.

Lots of Transfers from four year programs, yes. Lots of transfers from JUCOs, nah.

I agree with every post here. I, however, cannot disagree with Murphy's strategy. He was hired to reconnect with SE Michigan and particularly Detroit HS recruits and in fact has been an abject failure in that respect. If you can't get that job done then move on and find players where you can. The Peter Principle would indicate that Rob reached his career apex as a .500 MAC coach, a vast improvement over his predecessors but is ill equipped to ascend further. Decent JUCO guys are likely to get us and Murph what we have recently had and no more. It is what it is.

Frankly I believe this team will win more than 10 gämes but less than 20

I'm was in Detroit for family events this weekend but didn't make it to EMU.

Last year I was also in Detroit the same weekend for a wedding and made it to EMU that Friday. Got to watch some skill development and also saw the FB recruiting visitors.

Toure' was one I saw and staff was very impressed.

I wish I could have seen some of the newcomers. Evaluation is conceptually simple: See them in H.S. or JUCO. Get them signed and on campus and see them in skills development during summer. Then see them in full fall practice where they can scrimmage. And then see them in OOC games.

So when Murphy (or staff member) does his evaluation for Blue Ribbon Yearbook, he will evaluate them at what I call 'stage two' - post summer workouts. Sometimes it is still hard to project from workouts to games, but by end of summer, the staff should have an idea who has the skills to say be a starter or those who aren't their yet...

(06-23-2019 06:52 PM)emu79 Wrote:  Frankly I believe this team will win more than 10 gämes but less than 20

James I think you are right once again. That being said I really don't care about the total wins next season. We need to be a relevant contender in the MAC conference period. Beating Central State, Goshen and the like on the way to a 20 win season is in no way an accomplishment and bye the way, they extend the head coach for another year.

My objective for a successful EMU season is 12 MAC wins in the regular season or a tournament championship.

Summer practice has begun according to several tweets

(06-24-2019 08:55 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 06:52 PM)emu79 Wrote:  Frankly I believe this team will win more than 10 gämes but less than 20

James I think you are right once again. That being said I really don't care about the total wins next season. We need to be a relevant contender in the MAC conference period. Beating Central State, Goshen and the like on the way to a 20 win season is in no way an accomplishment and bye the way, they extend the head coach for another year.

My objective for a successful EMU season is 12 MAC wins in the regular season or a tournament championship.

sounds about right

O/T but interesting discussion from the BG coach about the difficulty of scheduling OOC games... (esp. couple of paragraphs deep into the article).

https://www.toledoblade.com/sports/bgsu/...0190628132

“Now as the years have gone on, it’s been less and less each year — teams just didn’t want to play us. It’s more so now than ever,” Huger said. “It’s hard to get a game. It was hard to get games this year.”

I really think a lot of fans think scheduling games is like going to Baskin Robbins and getting whatever flavor one wants...

(06-30-2019 11:42 AM)emu steve Wrote:  O/T but interesting discussion from the BG coach about the difficulty of scheduling OOC games... (esp. couple of paragraphs deep into the article).

https://www.toledoblade.com/sports/bgsu/...0190628132

“Now as the years have gone on, it’s been less and less each year — teams just didn’t want to play us. It’s more so now than ever,” Huger said. “It’s hard to get a game. It was hard to get games this year.”

I really think a lot of fans think scheduling games is like going to Baskin Robbins and getting whatever flavor one wants...

I'm not going to say that Huger is over exaggerating the issue but if out of conference scheduling is such a problem for everyone, the solution is obvious. Play a full round robin schedule in conference. Boom, that is four more games you do not have to search for an opponent and conference standings become more equitable when all the MAC West teams have to play Buffalo twice.

(06-30-2019 06:19 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(06-30-2019 11:42 AM)emu steve Wrote:  O/T but interesting discussion from the BG coach about the difficulty of scheduling OOC games... (esp. couple of paragraphs deep into the article).

https://www.toledoblade.com/sports/bgsu/...0190628132

“Now as the years have gone on, it’s been less and less each year — teams just didn’t want to play us. It’s more so now than ever,” Huger said. “It’s hard to get a game. It was hard to get games this year.”

I really think a lot of fans think scheduling games is like going to Baskin Robbins and getting whatever flavor one wants...

I'm not going to say that Huger is over exaggerating the issue but if out of conference scheduling is such a problem for everyone, the solution is obvious. Play a full round robin schedule in conference. Boom, that is four more games you do not have to search for an opponent and conference standings become more equitable when all the MAC West teams have to play Buffalo twice.

Some conferences have added more conference games which presumably does exactly as you suggest.

What I do NOT like is that those conferences start conference play in DECEMBER. Much prefer to see it start in January.