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(06-25-2019 04:07 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  What prestige would UMass and-or UConn bring to MAC football?

Both are flagship institutions with solid academic rankings. This is company that I imagine MAC university presidents would like to keep.

But they wouldn't really be IN the MAC so I don't think the academics gets us much. They'd simply be parking their football in the MAC until a better offer comes along.
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(06-25-2019 05:39 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  question...did the MAC need a waiver to hold a champ game in 2014 and 2015?

I think so.
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(06-25-2019 06:12 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
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(06-25-2019 04:07 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  What prestige would UMass and-or UConn bring to MAC football?

Both are flagship institutions with solid academic rankings. This is company that I imagine MAC university presidents would like to keep.

But they wouldn't really be IN the MAC so I don't think the academics gets us much. They'd simply be parking their football in the MAC until a better offer comes along.

If you read Bob McGovern's article, if it's not the AAC now, this would be our permanent home. Also posted this on the Boneyard.

Quote:Change, however, is necessary.


Perhaps UConn and UMass can convince the MAC to take them both. There are reports indicating that the conference isn’t interested in that arrangement, but let’s not pretend that there isn’t a way to make it work.

Get commissioners, athletic directors and lawyers in the same room and make something happen. There is no set tune to the dance of college realignment, and clever maneuvering can make this relationship work for everyone.

If not the AAC or the MAC, then come up with a creative third option – preferably one that involves UConn.

But the status quo can’t continue. Accepting life as an independent is the type of thinking that led UMass to this strange moment.

The school also can’t allow memories of Marcus Camby and John Calipari dictate its strategy for the future. That version of the Atlantic 10 is gone, and UMass has been lost in the wilderness in the decades since.

Athletic Director Ryan Bamford, the administration and those who support UMass athletics need to look forward with clear eyes and an aggressive plan for positive stability.

UMass missed its moment more than 20 years ago.

It can’t afford to sit on the sidelines again.

https://247sports.com/college/massachuse...133179272/
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(06-25-2019 06:12 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
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(06-25-2019 04:07 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  What prestige would UMass and-or UConn bring to MAC football?

Both are flagship institutions with solid academic rankings. This is company that I imagine MAC university presidents would like to keep.

But they wouldn't really be IN the MAC so I don't think the academics gets us much. They'd simply be parking their football in the MAC until a better offer comes along.

For what it's worth, now that the AAC bridge is burned, nothing better will come along.
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A repost of something I have up on the realignment board; a partial scheduling agreement with UConn might be worth considering.

This for the MAC would have the benefit of some UConn basketball games as well as help out non-conference scheduling without giving them a crack at the MACC or CFP money.

Quote:But I still think UConn is a pretty big name to show up in MAC stadiums and has ACC level facilities therefore I would agree to a partial scheduling agreement.

-6 MAC games a year to help fill Oct-Nov schedule.
-Access to a MAC bowl if they win 6 games.
-3 men's basketball games against the MAC's top 3.
-3 women's basketball games against the MAC's top 3.

1) Helps fill MAC non-conference FB schedules where some schools struggle. Six games against UConn would be tolerable but both six games against UConn & UMass would be too much. Even worse eight games against both as full FB members.

2) Helps both men's & women's basketball in a way that Temple and UMass never could. MAC women's actually gets multiple bids so women's would be a factor.

3) Giving UConn access to the MAC bowls is gamble. They may never become bowl eligible or they could steal a good matchup from the MAC. But it also might keep the bowl partners interested if they thought they could have a crack at UConn in a bowl cycle.
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(06-25-2019 08:29 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 06:12 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 06:01 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 04:07 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  What prestige would UMass and-or UConn bring to MAC football?

Both are flagship institutions with solid academic rankings. This is company that I imagine MAC university presidents would like to keep.

But they wouldn't really be IN the MAC so I don't think the academics gets us much. They'd simply be parking their football in the MAC until a better offer comes along.

For what it's worth, now that the AAC bridge is burned, nothing better will come along.

UConn was a finalist for XII membership back in 2016, more viable as FB only member than full. Pulling out of the AAC and going into the BE prepares UConn for a possible FB only membership there.

A partial membership however might suit the MAC better. Army had been working with the MAC under a partial scheduling agreement before.
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(06-23-2019 10:13 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  BruceMcF you make sense but money will be a rub. Know some complained when it was costing each institution 80k to add us. Now the figure is almost three time 80k or 240k. (119k is the difference of 10m by 12 or 14 for both TV and 1M per university up to 10m in CFP revenue.) Perhaps ESPN gives a little more and we agree to take a little less.

Not talking about adding UMass all-sports ... UMass already turned that down ... talking about a FB-affiliate deal only alongside UConn, on similar sporting terms as before ... four OOC BBall games each, 2H/2A.

Eat what you kill: if ESPN tops up the contract to include the affiliates in it, the affiliates get the top up. The CFP money goes to the full members, full stop.

If UMass/UConn come in as affiliates, it's for things like the bowl access, including chase for the Access Bowl if you win the championship.

Quote: Perhaps focusing too much on the dollars for the MAC. Both UConn and UMass would fit in nicely and very good academics that the presidents like. Plus the east coast exposure is good for the MAC, without seriously impacting the travel budgets as just a few sports and with divisions is a good offset.

The money is what would tilt the "meh, whatever" to "no" and the "mildly in favor" to "undecided". Could flip MiamiU, EMU, Ball State to No's, might nudge NIU, WMU, CMU from "Mild yes" to "undecided".

Quote: Heck, why not demand 6 bb games each so every team gets one of us every year.
Because that would require a much more generous revenue share, which could easily kill the deal.

All that said, if UConn offered to host an annual early season exhibition against previous season Mac Champion and Regular Season winner against UConn and an invitee, in exchange for the MAC agreeing to a scheduling agreement for UConn OOC games against MAC schools in the second half of October, that would be something, and it wouldn't risk a continuation of a series of FB-only affiliate deals with short tenures and overall disappointing results.
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BruceMcF have some comments, which will be rushed as will be away for the next few days.

The new AD is on recorded saying, if it was his decision, he was not sure if he would have declined the all sports offer. There is no sense squeeze the vise on the nuts and see if they pop or not now. That option is real and available down the road. When the Big East goes for a new contract and the networks may ask them to expand, or not, or the American and in either case a further raid of the A10 would seem likely. Need to watch the NCAA bids, but the A10 is getting closer and closer to a 2 bid conference with a few years just one.

My idea was a little different and for the current contract period of say 21-26 football. Offer only a 50% share of CFP and TV, perhaps ESPN gives a little more, but not likely and charge a higher conference dues for going out of your way. Of course there is buy in fees. We paid 500k the last time.

It's not revenue neutral but closer. One more mouth to feed, partially offset by conference dues, buy-in fees, and perhaps a little more from ESPN. Think the UMass-UConn game in addition to other MAC games adds a little and emphasize little value for now. It is two more markets.

(For the record, we never played Temple in football until going to the MAC. UConn is a true rival with 72 football games played and more scheduled.)
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maybe something creative

UCONN football only
UMASS all sports
and then a non-FBS school that can bring basketball and improve the MAC's basketball profile for a 14-team league only in basketball.
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A Toledo Blade columnist thinks UConn would be a terrible idea for the MAC.

https://www.toledoblade.com/sports/colle...0190625157
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Sucks for UConn football fans and players as the sport is being offered up as a sacrificial lamb.

But they're making a good move here. The basketball program is their bread n' butter, the women's program practically legendary. It's just a better fit.
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(06-26-2019 10:16 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  A Toledo Blade columnist thinks UConn would be a terrible idea for the MAC.

https://www.toledoblade.com/sports/colle...0190625157

Sorry, I'm a newbie to this forum but he also stated that UConn (unsaid but you can add Cincinnati and USF) left the Big East. People gotta stop saying that kind of thing. Connecticut did not leave the Big East, the C7 left and bought the name. The ACC was a corporate raider with help from it's "partner" ESPN.

It's a total @hi!show here right now. There are many of us who were blindsided by this and are not happy at all about it. Then again, who are we? Oh yes, the taxpayers of Connecticut.

The stadium was built in East Hartford (should have been on campus but....) with the idea that BC, Syracuse, Pitt, WVA would all be coming. Now we're stuck with an albatross and no real place to call home.

I don't know what will happen but if you partner us with UMass that may not be such a bad thing. A search of the conference website shows me that West Virginia and Missouri are in your league as affiliates. It can be done.
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(06-26-2019 12:45 PM)WhalerFan Wrote:  
(06-26-2019 10:16 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  A Toledo Blade columnist thinks UConn would be a terrible idea for the MAC.

https://www.toledoblade.com/sports/colle...0190625157

Sorry, I'm a newbie to this forum but he also stated that UConn (unsaid but you can add Cincinnati and USF) left the Big East. People gotta stop saying that kind of thing. Connecticut did not leave the Big East, the C7 left and bought the name. The ACC was a corporate raider with help from it's "partner" ESPN.

It's a total @hi!show here right now. There are many of us who were blindsided by this and are not happy at all about it. Then again, who are we? Oh yes, the taxpayers of Connecticut.

The stadium was built in East Hartford (should have been on campus but....) with the idea that BC, Syracuse, Pitt, WVA would all be coming. Now we're stuck with an albatross and no real place to call home.

I don't know what will happen but if you partner us with UMass that may not be such a bad thing. A search of the conference website shows me that West Virginia and Missouri are in your league as affiliates. It can be done.

So UConn for all sports, but mbb and wbb? You'd really want that??? Just football is off the table.
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(06-26-2019 12:45 PM)WhalerFan Wrote:  
(06-26-2019 10:16 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  A Toledo Blade columnist thinks UConn would be a terrible idea for the MAC.

https://www.toledoblade.com/sports/colle...0190625157

Sorry, I'm a newbie to this forum but he also stated that UConn (unsaid but you can add Cincinnati and USF) left the Big East. People gotta stop saying that kind of thing. Connecticut did not leave the Big East, the C7 left and bought the name. The ACC was a corporate raider with help from it's "partner" ESPN.

It's a total @hi!show here right now. There are many of us who were blindsided by this and are not happy at all about it. Then again, who are we? Oh yes, the taxpayers of Connecticut.

The stadium was built in East Hartford (should have been on campus but....) with the idea that BC, Syracuse, Pitt, WVA would all be coming. Now we're stuck with an albatross and no real place to call home.

I don't know what will happen but if you partner us with UMass that may not be such a bad thing. A search of the conference website shows me that West Virginia and Missouri are in your league as affiliates. It can be done.

There are a lot of affiliates--some big, some small--in the MAC in non-revenue sports, none in football and basketball.
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FWIW apparently Navy's AD tweeted that Buffalo would be good in the AAC.

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UCONN and UMASS are bigger names then nearly all of the current MAC schools. Who cares if they join, only to leave first chance they get? Wouldn't most MAC schools jump to the ACC, Big 12, or AAC if offered?

I like this deal:
---Offer UCONN football
---UMASS joins all sports
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(06-25-2019 11:02 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  A repost of something I have up on the realignment board; a partial scheduling agreement with UConn might be worth considering.

This for the MAC would have the benefit of some UConn basketball games as well as help out non-conference scheduling without giving them a crack at the MACC or CFP money.

Quote:But I still think UConn is a pretty big name to show up in MAC stadiums and has ACC level facilities therefore I would agree to a partial scheduling agreement.

-6 MAC games a year to help fill Oct-Nov schedule.
-Access to a MAC bowl if they win 6 games.
-3 men's basketball games against the MAC's top 3.
-3 women's basketball games against the MAC's top 3.

1) Helps fill MAC non-conference FB schedules where some schools struggle. Six games against UConn would be tolerable but both six games against UConn & UMass would be too much. Even worse eight games against both as full FB members.

2) Helps both men's & women's basketball in a way that Temple and UMass never could. MAC women's actually gets multiple bids so women's would be a factor.

3) Giving UConn access to the MAC bowls is gamble. They may never become bowl eligible or they could steal a good matchup from the MAC. But it also might keep the bowl partners interested if they thought they could have a crack at UConn in a bowl cycle.

I could get behind a scheduling agreement like this.
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(06-26-2019 05:04 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Wouldn't most MAC schools jump to the ACC, Big 12, or AAC if offered?

One of these thing is not like the others.

Travel in the American sounds very expensive, and most of those schools wouldn't put many more butts in our seats. I think I prefer the MAC.
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(06-26-2019 05:04 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  FWIW apparently Navy's AD tweeted that Buffalo would be good in the AAC.

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UCONN and UMASS are bigger names then nearly all of the current MAC schools. Who cares if they join, only to leave first chance they get? Wouldn't most MAC schools jump to the ACC, Big 12, or AAC if offered?

I like this deal:
---Offer UCONN football
---UMASS joins all sports
First of all, I'm a nobody that loves UMass football and athletics in general. If a team leaves, then can see forcing the timing. But the best time to ask is after a selection Sunday and the A10 gets 1 bid. It would give people a lot of political cover. But to say UMass all in and UConn fb only does not make financial since. All in and we expect equal split. For the all in costs for 1 team, you could have 2 teams, which have long football history and rivalry. Twice the membership dues, markets, buyin fees and perhaps more spare change from ESPN.

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(06-26-2019 12:45 PM)WhalerFan Wrote:  Sorry, I'm a newbie to this forum but he also stated that UConn (unsaid but you can add Cincinnati and USF) left the Big East. People gotta stop saying that kind of thing. Connecticut did not leave the Big East, the C7 left and bought the name.

Eh, this is a half-true technicality. The Big East started planning for a split after the first round of defections to the ACC, which was a big part of the reason Marquette and DePaul were brought on - giving the non-football schools enough members to maintain continuity. Once the football-playing side disintegrated the conference started making so many additions all at once that the only way for them to remain a proper conference post-split was to essentially hide in the shell of the old Big East, while the non-football side had most of a conference with history already in place.

Somewhat oddly, the non-football schools were able to split off from the then-Big-East because they had so many longtime Big East members they were good to go (and wound up taking the basketball history with them) as a "new" conference, while the football playing side had so few Big East schools they had to retain the original charter as a technicality just to have an autobid.

It's not hard at all to see why the general public treats the two as they do when one conference takes the majority of the original membership, the signature event, name, and primary history while another occupies a hollow shell on a technicality.
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(06-26-2019 06:51 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  
(06-26-2019 05:04 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Wouldn't most MAC schools jump to the ACC, Big 12, or AAC if offered?

One of these thing is not like the others.

Travel in the American sounds very expensive, and most of those schools wouldn't put many more butts in our seats. I think I prefer the MAC.

I think a move to the AAC would be an appealing and advantageous move in its current state.

If (when?) someone like the Big XII plucks the upper crust from the AAC, you're left with something not too dissimilar from the MAC, but with much larger travel costs as you say.

Reminds me when Marshall went to the "sexier" version of CUSA, then the conference lost its marquee programs just a few later.
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