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Be sure to thank your local fracking company.

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BUT MUH PARIS ACCORD!!!!
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(06-21-2019 10:27 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Be sure to thank your local fracking company.

Has any other country?
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https://www.iea.org/geco/emissions/

This article says Europe (led by the UK and France) and Japan have seen emission levels continue to drop. But while the US has led the world since 2000, the level actually rose in 2018 (due in large part to weather conditions).
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(06-22-2019 06:05 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  https://www.iea.org/geco/emissions/

This article says Europe (led by the UK and France) and Japan have seen emission levels continue to drop. But while the US has led the world since 2000, the level actually rose in 2018 (due in large part to weather conditions).

That needs to be taken in context. Quoting from the article, "In the United States, the emission reductions seen in 2017 were reversed, with an increase of 3.1% in CO2 emissions in 2018. Despite this increase, emissions in the United States remain around their 1990 levels, 14% and 800 Mt of CO2 below their peak in 2000. This is the largest absolute decline among all countries since 2000."

The other interesting thing to me is the commentary about carbon capture utilization and storage (CCUS) facilities. CCUS would be much simpler for handling the waste CO2 from coal gasification and liquefaction plants, because collection from a point source is much easier than capture from diverse sources. That would enable us to use our coal resources much more cleanly, and would be significant boon to te economics of Appalachia.

One has to wonder how much lower the US emissions would be today ad it not been for Jimmy Carter's NGPA and other energy policies.
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IMO, it's pretty unfair to blame Carter. I don't understand all the nuances, but it seems like technology is the driving force behind lower CO2 emissions, and obviously technology in the 1970's isn't what it is today. Plus a lot of Carter's policies were in response to the OPEC oil embargo.
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Those seeking profit with the help of innovation and technology win again. Government is not incentivized to innovate. Business is.
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I'm still hearing we are all going to die from climate change. I guess these efforts were a waste.

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So running up my credit cards because the planet was going to explode was a bad idea???
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(06-22-2019 07:17 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  IMO, it's pretty unfair to blame Carter. I don't understand all the nuances, but it seems like technology is the driving force behind lower CO2 emissions, and obviously technology in the 1970's isn't what it is today. Plus a lot of Carter's policies were in response to the OPEC oil embargo.

No it’s not unfair to blame Carter. He adopted polities that basically made natural gas uneconomic to market, so trillions of cubic feet were flared instead of being gathered and marketed, and also resulted in many new power plants being built to run on coal, not gas. Remember acid rain? A direct consequence of Carter’s energy policies. Carter's whole energy policy was designed to make natural gas for heating as cheap as possible. He knew, or certainly should have known, exactly what he was doing. There was certainly plenty of discussion of what the ramifications would be. Reagan ultimately reversed a lot of it, but considerable damage was done. And Reagan achieved Carter’s goal of cheaper natural gas—by deregulating, not regulating.

He screwed up nuclear, too, but that’s another issue. Guy was a nucular (and he pronounced it that way, long before GWB) engineer and his energy policies were awful, across the board.
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And we didn't have to send pallets of money to the EU or kiss Anyone's arse.


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(06-22-2019 08:28 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I'm still hearing we are all going to die from climate change. I guess these efforts were a waste.

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Didn't the world already end a few years ago? What's up with that?


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(06-22-2019 08:28 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I'm still hearing we are all going to die from climate change. I guess these efforts were a waste.

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(06-22-2019 08:44 AM)solohawks Wrote:  So running up my credit cards because the planet was going to explode was a bad idea???

You too huh?
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(06-22-2019 02:37 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 08:28 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I'm still hearing we are all going to die from climate change. I guess these efforts were a waste.

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India's 6th largest city (4 million folks) is out of water. But nothing is going on - relax. It's not a problem until it happens to you.

Wait, you mean there's a drought somewhere in the world?? Again?? Damnit. I bet we never had any droughts anywhere on the planet until the 20th century. Why now??

Oh, one minor detail, your narrative left out the word "almost entirely". As in "India's sixth biggest city is almost entirely out of water - CNN".
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Or maybe there was some resource mismanagement at play also.

Most of India relies on groundwater for its water needs, instead of traditional water harvesting systems. Decades of drilling into the earth to reach water has led to severe ground water depletion.
"This is primarily because of poor management of water bodies. We are completely dependent on the rain. The government should ensure that there is water harvesting," said Venkatesan.
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(06-22-2019 02:37 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 08:28 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I'm still hearing we are all going to die from climate change. I guess these efforts were a waste.

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And another thing, the article states that the EPA estimates that an average family uses 300 gallons of water a day. WTF. I don't use but twice, maybe three times that much in a month. I'm not sure if, or why they would, include bottled water usage but once I factor that in I go through about two cases of 36 bottles a week but hell, even that is only about 32 gallons a month. Somethings fishy with that.
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(06-22-2019 02:57 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 02:37 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 08:28 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I'm still hearing we are all going to die from climate change. I guess these efforts were a waste.

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India's 6th largest city (4 million folks) is out of water. But nothing is going on - relax. It's not a problem until it happens to you.

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We should be concerned about India's inability to safeguard and properly manage their resources.

"Most of India relies on groundwater for its water needs, instead of traditional water harvesting systems. Decades of drilling into the earth to reach water has led to severe ground water depletion.
"This is primarily because of poor management of water bodies. We are completely dependent on the rain. The government should ensure that there is water harvesting," said Venkatesan.".
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https://earther.gizmodo.com/why-chennai-...1835736767

Says here Chennai has run out of water. And they're supposed to be 22 days into their monsoon season. They also have too many folks. That doesn't help things.

But it's just silly to think that everything is doing great climate-wise. The US has had a wet 12 months so good for us I guess. Except don't tell that to the folks who are flooded out, or the farmers who can't plant any crops this year.

Let's hope we continue to develop new technologies that will help the world, not just the US deal with climate change.
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