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RE: Trump approves strikes on Iran after drone shot down but pulls back
(06-26-2019 10:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
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(06-21-2019 03:33 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
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(06-21-2019 03:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Which secured a deal that was working. Your orange overlord tore up that deal with no plan on what to do next, and here we are...still without a plan and we now have Iran doing what they want...and even emboldened now. Nice going!
Paying off rarely works. Iran is the same country now as it was when your hero was in office. They will be the same country until they either have a regime change or get knocked on their a$$.
That goes against the reported facts of the deal and how it WAS working, but whatever you need to keep following blindly I guess...
So Iran was coming to the side of the angels under Obama's deal were they? And you call others blind. LOL
Never said or implied any such thing. The deal was working. They weren't enriching and were allowing inspections, etc.

How do we know what they were or were not doing in areas where inspectors were not allowed to go?
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RE: Trump approves strikes on Iran after drone shot down but pulls back
(06-26-2019 10:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 09:42 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(06-21-2019 03:33 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  That goes against the reported facts of the deal and how it WAS working, but whatever you need to keep following blindly I guess...

Hmm, let's see. There's ample reason to believe that Iran used the cash we sent them to fund terrorism. And as far as reports by inspectors, they are suspect for the same reason that many questioned the deal in the first place--without the ability to inspect anywhere, anytime, how can we hope to have a valid inspection regimen?

Right...Iran had NO other cash to fund anything without that pittance we gave them. 03-lmfao

Do you even listen to yourself? 03-wink

That's not even relevant. Iran getting $1 was Iran getting $1 too much.
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RE: Trump approves strikes on Iran after drone shot down but pulls back
(06-26-2019 12:20 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(06-26-2019 10:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 09:42 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(06-21-2019 03:33 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  That goes against the reported facts of the deal and how it WAS working, but whatever you need to keep following blindly I guess...
Hmm, let's see. There's ample reason to believe that Iran used the cash we sent them to fund terrorism. And as far as reports by inspectors, they are suspect for the same reason that many questioned the deal in the first place--without the ability to inspect anywhere, anytime, how can we hope to have a valid inspection regimen?
Right...Iran had NO other cash to fund anything without that pittance we gave them. 03-lmfao
Do you even listen to yourself? 03-wink
That's not even relevant. Iran getting $1 was Iran getting $1 too much.

And $1.7 billion was $1.7 billion too much. And Obama knew it was wrong, that's why he had it done in such clandestine circumstances. He could have just told the banks to release the funds and the Iranians could have wired it anywhere. But wait, I believe a bunch of those funds were private accounts of individual Iranian citizens and companies. And Obama sent cash to the Iranian government. Anybody see a possible issue there?

I could possibly have supported the deal with two changes:
1) Iran got the money released in tranches, say 10% a year, contingent on good behaviour by Iran.
2) Inspections to be conducted under an anytime, anywhere, no notice protocol. That is the only way to have reliable inspections.
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RE: Trump approves strikes on Iran after drone shot down but pulls back
(06-26-2019 12:20 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(06-26-2019 10:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 09:42 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(06-21-2019 03:33 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  That goes against the reported facts of the deal and how it WAS working, but whatever you need to keep following blindly I guess...

Hmm, let's see. There's ample reason to believe that Iran used the cash we sent them to fund terrorism. And as far as reports by inspectors, they are suspect for the same reason that many questioned the deal in the first place--without the ability to inspect anywhere, anytime, how can we hope to have a valid inspection regimen?

Right...Iran had NO other cash to fund anything without that pittance we gave them. 03-lmfao

Do you even listen to yourself? 03-wink

That's not even relevant. Iran getting $1 was Iran getting $1 too much.

That's fine, but don't try to claim that they could not have engaged in any terrorism without us giving them their money back as Owl numbers did. That's just idiotic.
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RE: Trump approves strikes on Iran after drone shot down but pulls back
(06-26-2019 01:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(06-26-2019 12:20 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(06-26-2019 10:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 09:42 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(06-21-2019 03:33 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  That goes against the reported facts of the deal and how it WAS working, but whatever you need to keep following blindly I guess...
Hmm, let's see. There's ample reason to believe that Iran used the cash we sent them to fund terrorism. And as far as reports by inspectors, they are suspect for the same reason that many questioned the deal in the first place--without the ability to inspect anywhere, anytime, how can we hope to have a valid inspection regimen?
Right...Iran had NO other cash to fund anything without that pittance we gave them. 03-lmfao
Do you even listen to yourself? 03-wink
That's not even relevant. Iran getting $1 was Iran getting $1 too much.
That's fine, but don't try to claim that they could not have engaged in any terrorism without us giving them their money back. That's just idiotic.

Exactly where did I state anything even remotely close to asserting that Iran could not have engaged in terrorism without the money? Oh yeah, I didn't. Look, if you want to respond to my posts, respond to what I say, not some straw man that you made up. Capiche?

Iran was already engaging in terrorism on a major scale before the money. Why would we release more money to them to engage in more?
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RE: Trump approves strikes on Iran after drone shot down but pulls back
(06-26-2019 01:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(06-26-2019 12:20 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(06-26-2019 10:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 09:42 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(06-21-2019 03:33 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  That goes against the reported facts of the deal and how it WAS working, but whatever you need to keep following blindly I guess...

Hmm, let's see. There's ample reason to believe that Iran used the cash we sent them to fund terrorism. And as far as reports by inspectors, they are suspect for the same reason that many questioned the deal in the first place--without the ability to inspect anywhere, anytime, how can we hope to have a valid inspection regimen?

Right...Iran had NO other cash to fund anything without that pittance we gave them. 03-lmfao

Do you even listen to yourself? 03-wink

That's not even relevant. Iran getting $1 was Iran getting $1 too much.

That's fine, but don't try to claim that they could not have engaged in any terrorism without us giving them their money back as Owl numbers did. That's just idiotic.

Not seeing where Owl said that, but whatever. We all know Iran has been engaging in terrorism for a long time. Heck, that's the primary reason the money should never have been given back to them in the first place. Well, that and the making a nuclear bomb stuff.
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RE: Trump approves strikes on Iran after drone shot down but pulls back
(06-26-2019 02:42 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(06-26-2019 01:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(06-26-2019 12:20 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(06-26-2019 10:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 09:42 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Hmm, let's see. There's ample reason to believe that Iran used the cash we sent them to fund terrorism. And as far as reports by inspectors, they are suspect for the same reason that many questioned the deal in the first place--without the ability to inspect anywhere, anytime, how can we hope to have a valid inspection regimen?

Right...Iran had NO other cash to fund anything without that pittance we gave them. 03-lmfao

Do you even listen to yourself? 03-wink

That's not even relevant. Iran getting $1 was Iran getting $1 too much.

That's fine, but don't try to claim that they could not have engaged in any terrorism without us giving them their money back as Owl numbers did. That's just idiotic.

Not seeing where Owl said that, but whatever. We all know Iran has been engaging in terrorism for a long time. Heck, that's the primary reason the money should never have been given back to them in the first place. Well, that and the making a nuclear bomb stuff.

Of course that's not what he said, not even close. This is Tom aping his dear leaders who say anything they like and if shown wrong they simply wait and roll the lie out again when the dust settles.
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(06-26-2019 01:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(06-26-2019 01:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(06-26-2019 12:20 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(06-26-2019 10:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 09:42 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Hmm, let's see. There's ample reason to believe that Iran used the cash we sent them to fund terrorism. And as far as reports by inspectors, they are suspect for the same reason that many questioned the deal in the first place--without the ability to inspect anywhere, anytime, how can we hope to have a valid inspection regimen?
Right...Iran had NO other cash to fund anything without that pittance we gave them. 03-lmfao
Do you even listen to yourself? 03-wink
That's not even relevant. Iran getting $1 was Iran getting $1 too much.
That's fine, but don't try to claim that they could not have engaged in any terrorism without us giving them their money back. That's just idiotic.

Exactly where did I state anything even remotely close to asserting that Iran could not have engaged in terrorism without the money?

See bold above. There is NO reason to believe giving them their money back in any way changed any of their funding of terrorism. They have plenty of oil money regardless, which you basically just admitted. Regardless of how you framed it, your intent was clear, and in no way logical.
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RE: Trump approves strikes on Iran after drone shot down but pulls back
(06-27-2019 11:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(06-26-2019 01:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(06-26-2019 01:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(06-26-2019 12:20 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(06-26-2019 10:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Right...Iran had NO other cash to fund anything without that pittance we gave them. 03-lmfao
Do you even listen to yourself? 03-wink
That's not even relevant. Iran getting $1 was Iran getting $1 too much.
That's fine, but don't try to claim that they could not have engaged in any terrorism without us giving them their money back. That's just idiotic.
Exactly where did I state anything even remotely close to asserting that Iran could not have engaged in terrorism without the money?
See bold above. There is NO reason to believe giving them their money back in any way changed any of their funding of terrorism. They have plenty of oil money regardless, which you basically just admitted. Regardless of how you framed it, your intent was clear, and in no way logical.

BS. Regardless of how you try to frame it, that is an absurd interpretation.

There is plenty of reason to believe that an extra $1.7 billion would have gone precisely to increase terrorist activities. It certainly went somewhere, and there is no reason to believe that it went anywhere else.
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(06-27-2019 06:31 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 11:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(06-26-2019 01:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(06-26-2019 01:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(06-26-2019 12:20 PM)VA49er Wrote:  That's not even relevant. Iran getting $1 was Iran getting $1 too much.
That's fine, but don't try to claim that they could not have engaged in any terrorism without us giving them their money back. That's just idiotic.
Exactly where did I state anything even remotely close to asserting that Iran could not have engaged in terrorism without the money?
See bold above. There is NO reason to believe giving them their money back in any way changed any of their funding of terrorism. They have plenty of oil money regardless, which you basically just admitted. Regardless of how you framed it, your intent was clear, and in no way logical.

BS. Regardless of how you try to frame it, that is an absurd interpretation.

There is plenty of reason to believe that an extra $1.7 billion would have gone precisely to increase terrorist activities. It certainly went somewhere, and there is no reason to believe that it went anywhere else.

Iran has a reported GDP north of $400 billion. Right, that extra 1.7 made ALL the difference.

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RE: Trump approves strikes on Iran after drone shot down but pulls back
(07-01-2019 10:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 06:31 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 11:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(06-26-2019 01:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(06-26-2019 01:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  That's fine, but don't try to claim that they could not have engaged in any terrorism without us giving them their money back. That's just idiotic.
Exactly where did I state anything even remotely close to asserting that Iran could not have engaged in terrorism without the money?
See bold above. There is NO reason to believe giving them their money back in any way changed any of their funding of terrorism. They have plenty of oil money regardless, which you basically just admitted. Regardless of how you framed it, your intent was clear, and in no way logical.
BS. Regardless of how you try to frame it, that is an absurd interpretation.
There is plenty of reason to believe that an extra $1.7 billion would have gone precisely to increase terrorist activities. It certainly went somewhere, and there is no reason to believe that it went anywhere else.
Iran has a reported GDP north of $400 billion. Right, that extra 1.7 made ALL the difference.
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Oh, come on. So you are trying to argue that $1.7 billion was irrelevant because total GDP is $400 billion?

That's 0.4% of GDP. A comparable share of GDP for the US would be $80 billion. You don't think $80 billion would go a long way to do a lot of things.

The problem is that you are making the wrong comparison. They are never going to spend 100% of GDP on terrorist activities. The right comparable for materiality is how much they were spending on terrorism. I'm guessing $1.7 billion is a fairly big number compared to their total spending on terrorism.
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RE: Trump approves strikes on Iran after drone shot down but pulls back
(07-01-2019 10:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 06:31 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 11:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(06-26-2019 01:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(06-26-2019 01:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  That's fine, but don't try to claim that they could not have engaged in any terrorism without us giving them their money back. That's just idiotic.
Exactly where did I state anything even remotely close to asserting that Iran could not have engaged in terrorism without the money?
See bold above. There is NO reason to believe giving them their money back in any way changed any of their funding of terrorism. They have plenty of oil money regardless, which you basically just admitted. Regardless of how you framed it, your intent was clear, and in no way logical.

BS. Regardless of how you try to frame it, that is an absurd interpretation.

There is plenty of reason to believe that an extra $1.7 billion would have gone precisely to increase terrorist activities. It certainly went somewhere, and there is no reason to believe that it went anywhere else.

Iran has a reported GDP north of $400 billion. Right, that extra 1.7 made ALL the difference.

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That's not really the point AT ALL. However, you know that.
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RE: Trump approves strikes on Iran after drone shot down but pulls back
(07-01-2019 10:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 06:31 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 11:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(06-26-2019 01:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(06-26-2019 01:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  That's fine, but don't try to claim that they could not have engaged in any terrorism without us giving them their money back. That's just idiotic.
Exactly where did I state anything even remotely close to asserting that Iran could not have engaged in terrorism without the money?
See bold above. There is NO reason to believe giving them their money back in any way changed any of their funding of terrorism. They have plenty of oil money regardless, which you basically just admitted. Regardless of how you framed it, your intent was clear, and in no way logical.

BS. Regardless of how you try to frame it, that is an absurd interpretation.

There is plenty of reason to believe that an extra $1.7 billion would have gone precisely to increase terrorist activities. It certainly went somewhere, and there is no reason to believe that it went anywhere else.

Iran has a reported GDP north of $400 billion. Right, that extra 1.7 made ALL the difference.

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Must have meant something. They traded hostages and signed Berry’s stupid deal, which was only good for them and allowed them to progress to the point of actually putting the bomb pieces together.
This money is being represented by RWT as not much money. I doubt he would feel that way if Trump was building a wall with it.....
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