(06-20-2019 11:13 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  NoDak still spinning this on siouxsports.com lol.

https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/1606.../#comments

ORU forum just credited him with nailing a prediction
https://forum.orusports.com/index.php?/t.../#comments

Official press release from the Summit League.

http://www.thesummitleague.org/general/2...0620sts1tx

(06-20-2019 08:38 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  How many teams is the WAC down to now?

Was this one of No Daks steps to a Great Northern conference? I honestly can’t remeber

Which version? Lol.

It goes against the current version of his plan. The non-football schools like UMKC and ORU were supposed to end up in the WAC. The strong FB schools like the Dakota 4 and the Montanas were supposed to end up in the Summit and then eventually go FBS. The weaker FB schools were supposed to end up in the Big Sky.

At least I think that's the current plan. It changes every 6-12 months.

(06-20-2019 09:47 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 09:35 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Without Chicago St, WAC would be at the bare minimum if 7. 9 members minus Bakersfield and UMKC plus Dixie St = 8. They need still need Chicago St until they can add at least 1 more.

They’ll be fine at 8. NMSU isn’t going anywhere soon. They don’t need Chicago St.

I think they would be fine at 7 without Chicago St, but it would put them in a precarious position if they were to lose anyone else. They need to get at least 1 more before dropping Chicago St in order to have better peace of mind

(06-20-2019 11:24 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 11:02 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 09:47 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 09:35 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Without Chicago St, WAC would be at the bare minimum if 7. 9 members minus Bakersfield and UMKC plus Dixie St = 8. They need still need Chicago St until they can add at least 1 more.

They’ll be fine at 8. NMSU isn’t going anywhere soon. They don’t need Chicago St.

Exactly. The NCAA isn't going to do anything to the WAC. They don't want a bunch of homeless D1 independents. WAC will keep their auto bid until more defections happen. No need for David and his stupid suggestions to make the WAC "compliant"

That's my take as well. WAC isn't going anywhere and it will retain its NCAA post season access.

Agree 100% that the WAC will be fine. In fact I think parting ways with UMKC and Chicago State will ultimately work in the conference's favor. Being less geographically dispersed will make the WAC a more economical home for its current members and remove an obstacle to adding another western D-II move-up.

Trying to survive will be the WAC’s primary challenge, but shedding a member who clearly wanted to be back in a midwest/plains conference relieves them a significant burden.

But these are the problems of a conference now forever on the brink of extinction. UMKC was always a risk; the hype that Summit was done for overblown, and having them meant taking on their identity and logistical challenges.

It is easily apparent that New Mexico State is the main cog keeping the WAC afloat---if the Aggies leave anytime soon that conference would really be hurting.

NoDak on SiouxSports Wrote:The WAC will have to respond now to stay alive. It will take Sam Houston St, Lamar, maybe Incarnate Word and a few other Southland teams and UMKC will reconsider and ORU jumps. UCDavis, Cal Poly and Sac St will also join and that will start the Big Sky reorganization. The Summit would be an awful position without thee northern Big Sky schools.

(06-20-2019 09:10 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Now Chicago St. needs to be let go and the WAC will become a western conference again. Maybe a prelude for the WAC starting FCS football that could be getting a couple of Big Sky schools and another D2 football school.

The question is will Chicago State still be there in a couple years. Equity in Athletics shows full time enrollment has dropped to 1297, just 409 males and 888 females. Of those 409 males 89 are on sports teams. This is down from 1404 in Fall. The decline was supposed to stop with the competent President and State funding restored, but the almost 10% per year drop continues, as it has all decade (it got above 20% for three years). When it drops below 1000 a number of bad things happen, including the loss of associations.

Any way at 1300 students a supposedly $5M athletic budget (which maybe 40-50% of the minimum needed for maintaining a D-I program, never mind needed facility repairs and upgrades) adds $4000 a year to cost of educating each student. Every fewer student increases the cost per student. The program is 99% subsidized. Gate and donations are literally smaller than most High Schools.

I am amazed they stay in D-I, as they are out of compliance with many WAC minimums including serious safety issues an administrative staffing requirements, but the WAC is too desperate for members to cite them. At some point the NCAA needs to step in and force compliance the WAC is refusing to do. I guess the charade of a D-I program goes on for another year.

Would Tarleton State makes a move to join the WAC? Nobody in D1 wants to join them because of the revolving doors as schools leaving.

(06-20-2019 11:11 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Those schools all want FBS and the Sun Belt won’t offer them.

The WAC can still grant FBS status.

The WAC will have dramatically less travel when this is finished..

(06-20-2019 11:15 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The Summit didn’t have enough baseball or men’s soccer members to conform with NCAA regs, which requires two men’s team sports besides mbb for non fb conferences to have at least six members to keep a dance bid. Journalists that follow the Summit are too uninformed to read those, but would rather make then own made up rules. Read the NCAA regs yourself to educate yourself.

ORU wasn’t helped by the Summit, as it doesn’t add much to ORU’s enrollment or awareness.

Sam. Houston and Lamar have been very open in the past about wanting FBS, so the Southland was smart and got more D2 teams before those two left. Tarleton St is next in line for the Southland.

(06-20-2019 11:32 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 11:20 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  Nothing is going to happen to the WAC and the conference as a whole will continue to exist and not lose its post season access. Bank it.


Biggerd question is how does this UMKC move to the slummit impact nodak's Great Northern Conference alignment moves?

Nothing will happen to the WAC’s bid because they were smart enough to have additions forthcoming.

UMKC to the Summit doesn’t do anything as it doesn’t have baseball, so when Purdue-Fort Wayne leaves as the school wants to, the Summit will be noncompliant even with UMKC. UMKC has no announced plans to add baseball.

The Summit needs to add football schools, as that would do away with the baseball and men’s soccer rules.

(06-21-2019 10:50 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

NoDak on SiouxSports Wrote:The WAC will have to respond now to stay alive. It will take Sam Houston St, Lamar, maybe Incarnate Word and a few other Southland teams and UMKC will reconsider and ORU jumps. UCDavis, Cal Poly and Sac St will also join and that will start the Big Sky reorganization. The Summit would be an awful position without thee northern Big Sky schools.

That's our boy...

(06-21-2019 12:35 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Would Tarleton State makes a move to join the WAC? Nobody in D1 wants to join them because of the revolving doors as schools leaving.

Aren’t you the “expert”? Where will Tarleton Park their football team? No coulds or mights.

(06-21-2019 12:35 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 11:11 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Those schools all want FBS and the Sun Belt won’t offer them.

The WAC can still grant FBS status.

The WAC will have dramatically less travel when this is finished..

(06-20-2019 11:15 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The Summit didn’t have enough baseball or men’s soccer members to conform with NCAA regs, which requires two men’s team sports besides mbb for non fb conferences to have at least six members to keep a dance bid. Journalists that follow the Summit are too uninformed to read those, but would rather make then own made up rules. Read the NCAA regs yourself to educate yourself.

ORU wasn’t helped by the Summit, as it doesn’t add much to ORU’s enrollment or awareness.

Sam. Houston and Lamar have been very open in the past about wanting FBS, so the Southland was smart and got more D2 teams before those two left. Tarleton St is next in line for the Southland.

(06-20-2019 11:32 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 11:20 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  Nothing is going to happen to the WAC and the conference as a whole will continue to exist and not lose its post season access. Bank it.


Biggerd question is how does this UMKC move to the slummit impact nodak's Great Northern Conference alignment moves?

Nothing will happen to the WAC’s bid because they were smart enough to have additions forthcoming.

UMKC to the Summit doesn’t do anything as it doesn’t have baseball, so when Purdue-Fort Wayne leaves as the school wants to, the Summit will be noncompliant even with UMKC. UMKC has no announced plans to add baseball.

The Summit needs to add football schools, as that would do away with the baseball and men’s soccer rules.

Quite the obsession with the Montana schools.

(06-21-2019 01:08 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(06-21-2019 12:35 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Would Tarleton State makes a move to join the WAC? Nobody in D1 wants to join them because of the revolving doors as schools leaving.

Aren’t you the “expert”? Where will Tarleton Park their football team? No coulds or mights.

Dixie State is gonna be an FCS independent, TSU could probably also make that work, unless the Southland takes them. The Big Sky is the only West Coast FCS conference, so those schools are happy to take OOC games against a (somehwat) nearby opponent.

(06-21-2019 01:10 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Agree 100% that the WAC will be fine. In fact I think parting ways with UMKC and Chicago State will ultimately work in the conference's favor. Being less geographically dispersed will make the WAC a more economical home for its current members and remove an obstacle to adding another western D-II move-up.

At first I felt bad for the WAC (the conference with more lives than a cat). But I think you're right that refocusing on the mountain and western states will be better for the conference in the long run. Jeff Hurd hasn't been sitting around doing nothing. The WAC made a great pickup with CBU. Some posters are feeling good about Dixie's potential. Getting out of the midwest might help recruit schools to the WAC that don't want to travel 3 time zones.

So if I'm reading the tea leaves correctly is this the New Great Northern/Western conference:

NMSU (FBS Indy)
Dixie State (FCS Indy)
UTRGV (no team)
Lamar (Southland)
Sam Houston St (Southland)
UND, NDSU, SDSU, USD (MVFC)

(06-21-2019 12:35 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Would Tarleton State makes a move to join the WAC? Nobody in D1 wants to join them because of the revolving doors as schools leaving.

Probably not. Obviously travel would be a huge issue and no sane Texan would want to leave a conference of mostly Texas schools. I don't think there's much travel between Lonestar conference schools as it is but there'd be even less with a WAC move. If Tarleton wants D1 then they'd have to join the Southland. They've upgraded their football stadium so I dont see them settling for a non football league.

(06-21-2019 01:08 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(06-21-2019 12:35 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Would Tarleton State makes a move to join the WAC? Nobody in D1 wants to join them because of the revolving doors as schools leaving.

Aren’t you the “expert”? Where will Tarleton Park their football team? No coulds or mights.

They could get games as an independent with the Southland schools and others. It is unless Southland boots out the schools without football.

(06-21-2019 02:36 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  So if I'm reading the tea leaves correctly is this the New Great Northern/Western conference:

NMSU (FBS Indy)
Dixie State (FCS Indy)
UTRGV (no team)
Lamar (Southland)
Sam Houston St (Southland)
UND, NDSU, SDSU, USD (MVFC)

No, the Great Northern Conference in NoDak's little brain is the Summit League booting everyone but NDSU, UND, SDSU, USD, Denver, and Omaha. They add Montana, Montana State, Idaho and the flavor of the month from the Big Sky.

The WAC adds Lamar, Sam Houston State etc along with the California FCS schools to make a FBS league. Big Sky picks up Dixie State and other WAC schools.

It's all his fantasy to get North Dakota, NDSU, SDSU, South Dakota, Montana and Montana State together.