(06-21-2019 03:01 AM)MUther Wrote:  1 Cam Henderson All your guys do **** this guy invented. Winner. From Wikipedia:
"Eli Camden Henderson (February 5, 1890 – May 3, 1956) was an American football, basketball, and baseball coach and college athletics administrator. He served as the head football coach at Muskingum College (1920–1922), Davis & Elkins College (1923–1934), and Marshall University (1935–1949), compiling a career college football record of 161–91–13. Henderson was also the head basketball coach at Muskingum (1920–1923), Davis & Elkins (1923–1935), and Marshall (1935–1955), tallying a career college basketball mark of 621–234. As a coach in basketball, he originated the fast break and the 2–3 zone defense, hallmarks of the modern game."

2 D'antoni furthest run in the tourney, conference championship, Many final and semi final appearances, many winning seasons in few short years.

3 Rick Huckabay from Wiki: "In 1983 he was hired at Marshall, where he compiled a 129–59 record, including three appearances in the NCAA tournament and one in the NIT before resigning in 1989 amid an investigation into recruiting."

4 Billy Donavon famed Florida coach wasn't here long enough to really set the place on fire, and stole Jason Williams from us when he left.

5 Dana Altman another short-timer that I feel could have gone far with the Herd had he stuck around.

Honorable Mention: Ron Jirsa. MFer didn't do a GD thing except beat WVU every time we played them. That was enough.

As of right now Huck has to go above D'Antoni. Huck had 3 NCAAs and an NIT appearance in 6 years.

And you left off Carl Tracy.

My top 5 right now would be:

1. Cam Henderson- Innovator of the Zone Defense and the Fast Break, coached 20 seasons (1935-1955), won the NAIB (NAIA now) National Title in 1947. arena at Marshall named after him
2. Rick Huckabay- Here 6 years, 3 NCAAs, 1 NIT
3. Carl Tracy- Only here 1 year but was 23-4 and finished #12 in the nation, went on to coach 13 seasons at Wake Forest
4. Dan D'Antoni- 1 NCAA, 1 CIT Championship, Dan was laughed at by almost everyone when hired. All he has done is have winning seasons after his 1st season
5 No one really- It gets muddled here big time. We had Billy Donovan but he was here only 2 years, even though the style of play was exciting he was only 18-9, 17-11, Dana Altman, another short timer of 1 year and was only 15-13, Ellis T Johnson- Longtime HC of Morehead State and Marshall, was Dan D'Antoni's HC at Marshall and the arena is named after him in Morehead, Donnie Jones- Even after he was gone and looking back on how he built his wins here (14 DII/NAIA games in the reg season in 3 years) he did bring an exciting style and recruited some great players, Greg White- Marshall great on the court (He held Marshall's asst record at 701 since 1981 until Elmore broke it last year), lead the Herd for 7 seasons, never had a losing record but could never get us over the hump. His 01-02 squad should have been one of Marshall's best teams if not for a few injuries.

If I had to give the #5 spot to anyone it would probably go to Greg White, just for his longevity at the school. And he had some exciting teams.

(06-20-2019 10:49 AM)Auburn_Blazer Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 10:27 AM)zyxwvutsru Wrote:  UTEP

1. Don Haskins
2. Billy Gillispie
3. Tim Floyd (for his career)
4. Tony Barbee
5. Rodney Terry

Ugh...Barbee.

1) Gene Bartow
2) Mike Anderson
3) Mike Davis
4) Jerod Haase
5) Rob Ehsan

I only had to leave 1 person off for all of UAB's history (Murray Bartow). Feels weird to have so few coaches on the list, even if the program is only 40 years old.

Murray>Rob

1) Cam Henderson
2) Dan D’Antoni
3). Bob Zuffalato (Huck won one conference title with Z’s boys)
4). Rick Huckabay
5). Carl Tracy/Billy Donovan/Dana Altman

(06-21-2019 11:20 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  1) Cam Henderson
2) Mike D’Antoni
3). Bob Zuffalato (Huck won one conference title with Z’s boys)
4). Rick Huckabay
5). Carl Tracy/Billy Donovan/Dana Altman

Look at your 2, always proof read

I thought about putting Zeff in with my muddled coaches. But truth is I think he was better suited as an NBA Scout than a HC.

(06-21-2019 12:21 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(06-21-2019 11:20 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  1) Cam Henderson
2) Mike D’Antoni
3). Bob Zuffalato (Huck won one conference title with Z’s boys)
4). Rick Huckabay
5). Carl Tracy/Billy Donovan/Dana Altman

Look at your 2, always proof read

I thought about putting Zeff in with my muddled coaches. But truth is I think he was better suited as an NBA Scout than a HC.

Jeez. Fixed.


Fair point as to your ranking.

(06-21-2019 03:24 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 01:02 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Western has been blessed with good coaches so I cant limited it to 5... 2 in the basketball Hall of Fame

E.A. Diddle 71.5 Winning % and the all time winningest coach in D1 when he retired. Only five losing seasons in 42 years and he's a member of The Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame. one of the first coaches (some say first) to bring the fast break to college basketball.

John Oldham only coached 7 years at Western before he retired (long time Mr Diddle asst coach) won 146 games 78% and ranked 5 out of 7 years...3rd, 5th, 10th, 12th, 15th with 1 F4

3rd is tricky for me and its between Willard and Felton but I will go with

Ralph Willard won 81 games in 4 years 66% and two ranked teams and 2 NCAA Tourney bids. Sweet 16, round of 32

Dennis Felton coached 5 years but had a total rebuild job. Felton still won 100 games at 65% along with 3, back to back to back, season and tourney championships. Failed to win in the tourney his last 2 teams was ranked 17th and 19th and had a 1st team All American on them...but he got hurt and never fully recovered his Jr and Sr years.

5th would be between Clem Haskins and Gene Keady

Keady won 67% of his games in his 2 seasons at Western and a NCAA bid. Should have won the 1st round game vs Virgina Tech (played at Diddle arena) Western had a huge lead and got beat.

Clem was a first time head coach and had to learn on the job. His 2nd season Western moved from the OVC to the SBC a HUGE step up in talented schools. The 1st year SBC had 2 NCAA bids, 2nd 3, 3rd 3 and 4th year Western was one of the 4 schools to get a NCAA Bid. Western's 5th season (Clem's 6th and last) 2 NCAA bids with Western winning the conf. His recruiting was as good if not better than Stansbury's. Won 58% of his games over 6 seasons with 2 NCAA Bids. Lost to UAB in one and Beat Neb. in the other before getting hosed vs uk in a 2nd round 64-71 loss. Clem wanted to stay at Western but Western refused a 5 year contract..he would have retired at Western. So he took the Minn. job

So that's 6

Western has had 13 head coaches (14th very first season only played 4 games) and every one of them has made the NCAA Tourney. With the exception of Coach Stansbury

Harper 2 in 4 1/3 seasons

Ken McDonald 1 in 3 2/3 seasons (fired)

Horn 1 in 5 seasons

Felton 3 in 5 seasons..back to back to back

Matt Kilcullen 1 in 4 seasons (fired)

Ralph Willard 2 in 4 seasons

Murray Arnold 1 in 4 seasons (fired)

Clem 2 in 6 seasons

Keady 1 in 2 seasons

Jim Richards 2 in 7 seasons (retired)

John Oldham 4 in 7 seasons (retired)

Mr Diddle 3 in 42 seasons sweet 16 in all. Most of his years the NIT was the National Tourney ranked in top 20 nine of the 12 years that the AP had a poll (retired)

WKU hasn't made the tournament yet because CUSA is a step up in competition, despite what the polls/RPI say. I don't think Harper or Stans have one yet in CUSA, do they? We are a very competitive league and cannibalize our own. Some of your other leagues could be man-handled by a dominant team. CUSA just doesn't let it happen anymore for more than a year or two for any team.

I would disagree with that. Besides last year mtsu dominated everyone and it wasn’t close.

Middle Tennessee

1 - Kermit Davis - best game prep and in game coach, not the greatest recruiter, but had MT basketball near or at the top of the conference the last five or six years
2 - Bruce Stewart - great coach, but cut corners and the aftermath really hurt MT mbb for well over a decade
3 - Jimmy Earle - first coach to take MT to the NCAA
4 - Ken Trickey - great coach, but made his mark after he left MT
5 - Stan Simpson - notable for NCAA win over Kentucky, other than that, meh

extra (wbb)

1 - Rick Insell
2 - Stephanie Smith
3 - Larry Joe Inman
4 - Lewis Bivens

(06-21-2019 07:39 PM)Jack Bauer Wrote:  

(06-21-2019 03:24 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 01:02 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Western has been blessed with good coaches so I cant limited it to 5... 2 in the basketball Hall of Fame

E.A. Diddle 71.5 Winning % and the all time winningest coach in D1 when he retired. Only five losing seasons in 42 years and he's a member of The Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame. one of the first coaches (some say first) to bring the fast break to college basketball.

John Oldham only coached 7 years at Western before he retired (long time Mr Diddle asst coach) won 146 games 78% and ranked 5 out of 7 years...3rd, 5th, 10th, 12th, 15th with 1 F4

3rd is tricky for me and its between Willard and Felton but I will go with

Ralph Willard won 81 games in 4 years 66% and two ranked teams and 2 NCAA Tourney bids. Sweet 16, round of 32

Dennis Felton coached 5 years but had a total rebuild job. Felton still won 100 games at 65% along with 3, back to back to back, season and tourney championships. Failed to win in the tourney his last 2 teams was ranked 17th and 19th and had a 1st team All American on them...but he got hurt and never fully recovered his Jr and Sr years.

5th would be between Clem Haskins and Gene Keady

Keady won 67% of his games in his 2 seasons at Western and a NCAA bid. Should have won the 1st round game vs Virgina Tech (played at Diddle arena) Western had a huge lead and got beat.

Clem was a first time head coach and had to learn on the job. His 2nd season Western moved from the OVC to the SBC a HUGE step up in talented schools. The 1st year SBC had 2 NCAA bids, 2nd 3, 3rd 3 and 4th year Western was one of the 4 schools to get a NCAA Bid. Western's 5th season (Clem's 6th and last) 2 NCAA bids with Western winning the conf. His recruiting was as good if not better than Stansbury's. Won 58% of his games over 6 seasons with 2 NCAA Bids. Lost to UAB in one and Beat Neb. in the other before getting hosed vs uk in a 2nd round 64-71 loss. Clem wanted to stay at Western but Western refused a 5 year contract..he would have retired at Western. So he took the Minn. job

So that's 6

Western has had 13 head coaches (14th very first season only played 4 games) and every one of them has made the NCAA Tourney. With the exception of Coach Stansbury

Harper 2 in 4 1/3 seasons

Ken McDonald 1 in 3 2/3 seasons (fired)

Horn 1 in 5 seasons

Felton 3 in 5 seasons..back to back to back

Matt Kilcullen 1 in 4 seasons (fired)

Ralph Willard 2 in 4 seasons

Murray Arnold 1 in 4 seasons (fired)

Clem 2 in 6 seasons

Keady 1 in 2 seasons

Jim Richards 2 in 7 seasons (retired)

John Oldham 4 in 7 seasons (retired)

Mr Diddle 3 in 42 seasons sweet 16 in all. Most of his years the NIT was the National Tourney ranked in top 20 nine of the 12 years that the AP had a poll (retired)

WKU hasn't made the tournament yet because CUSA is a step up in competition, despite what the polls/RPI say. I don't think Harper or Stans have one yet in CUSA, do they? We are a very competitive league and cannibalize our own. Some of your other leagues could be man-handled by a dominant team. CUSA just doesn't let it happen anymore for more than a year or two for any team.

I would disagree with that. Besides last year mtsu dominated everyone and it wasn’t close.

The year before we beat them twice and USM knocked them out of tourney. They had 2 solid years, 2 years ago...not a dynasty. There were 2 years before that they didn't win, either. One of those glory years UAB had the better conference record. Not saying they weren't good, but they weren't Memphis good. Memphis was the team to beat for a decade. MTSU is the only team to win the tournament twice in this iteration, but only twice and we've been playing this for 6 years. So 5 different tourney winners and UAB won the regular season as much as Middle did. It's way more parity than you realize.

http://conferenceusa.com/standings.aspx?standings=54
http://conferenceusa.com/standings.aspx?standings=22
http://conferenceusa.com/standings.aspx?standings=6
http://conferenceusa.com/standings.aspx?standings=24
http://conferenceusa.com/standings.aspx?standings=60
http://conferenceusa.com/standings.aspx?standings=69

Lots of different names at and near the top of those standings

(06-21-2019 12:21 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(06-21-2019 11:20 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  1) Cam Henderson
2) Mike D’Antoni
3). Bob Zuffalato (Huck won one conference title with Z’s boys)
4). Rick Huckabay
5). Carl Tracy/Billy Donovan/Dana Altman

Look at your 2, always proof read

I thought about putting Zeff in with my muddled coaches. But truth is I think he was better suited as an NBA Scout than a HC.

It's Carl Tacy....you may also want to look into proofreading. And I made my list based on my opinion. Dan is the better coach in my opinion. Not cheating, went further than any of the rest while at Marshall and has extenisve NBA experience as a player's coach.
And it says best coach to have coached here. Not best coach while here. That is why I put Donovan and Altman in there. I feel they both went on to have more fame and notoriety than the others while also winning. So I didn't forget anyone. Tacy was very average at WF except for one year, mostly finishing middle of the pack or worse. Billy has 2 National Championships and 4 final four appearances with Florida and Altman took Oregon to the final four for the first time in 78 years and also was solid at KState and Creighton. Much better coaches than Zuff or Tacy or Jones or anyone else we've had here, really. But I didn't want to overlook Huckabay's and D'antoni's contribution to furthering Marshall, which is why they were ranked higher. By the thread's title of best coach to coach at your school, they certainly make the list.

(06-20-2019 10:27 AM)zyxwvutsru Wrote:  UTEP

1. Don Haskins
2. Billy Gillispie
3. Tim Floyd (for his career)
4. Tony Barbee
5. Rodney Terry

I would not put Rodney Terry on the list yet.
1. Don Haskins- Might be the best coach of any current CUSA school ever
2. Billy Gillispie
3. Tony Barbee
4. Doc Sadler
5. Tim Floyd but Jason Rabedeaux is very close.
I just have a hard time with Floyd. I knew him as an assistant coach under Haskins and he was not good. Plus he was just a jacka$$

(06-21-2019 09:17 PM)SpaceRaider Wrote:  Middle Tennessee

1 - Kermit Davis - best game prep and in game coach, not the greatest recruiter, but had MT basketball near or at the top of the conference the last five or six years
2 - Bruce Stewart - great coach, but cut corners and the aftermath really hurt MT mbb for well over a decade
3 - Jimmy Earle - first coach to take MT to the NCAA
4 - Ken Trickey - great coach, but made his mark after he left MT
5 - Stan Simpson - notable for NCAA win over Kentucky, other than that, meh

extra (wbb)

1 - Rick Insell
2 - Stephanie Smith
3 - Larry Joe Inman
4 - Lewis Bivens

Right on the Money, Space Raider.

(06-22-2019 03:34 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(06-21-2019 07:39 PM)Jack Bauer Wrote:  

(06-21-2019 03:24 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 01:02 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Western has been blessed with good coaches so I cant limited it to 5... 2 in the basketball Hall of Fame

E.A. Diddle 71.5 Winning % and the all time winningest coach in D1 when he retired. Only five losing seasons in 42 years and he's a member of The Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame. one of the first coaches (some say first) to bring the fast break to college basketball.

John Oldham only coached 7 years at Western before he retired (long time Mr Diddle asst coach) won 146 games 78% and ranked 5 out of 7 years...3rd, 5th, 10th, 12th, 15th with 1 F4

3rd is tricky for me and its between Willard and Felton but I will go with

Ralph Willard won 81 games in 4 years 66% and two ranked teams and 2 NCAA Tourney bids. Sweet 16, round of 32

Dennis Felton coached 5 years but had a total rebuild job. Felton still won 100 games at 65% along with 3, back to back to back, season and tourney championships. Failed to win in the tourney his last 2 teams was ranked 17th and 19th and had a 1st team All American on them...but he got hurt and never fully recovered his Jr and Sr years.

5th would be between Clem Haskins and Gene Keady

Keady won 67% of his games in his 2 seasons at Western and a NCAA bid. Should have won the 1st round game vs Virgina Tech (played at Diddle arena) Western had a huge lead and got beat.

Clem was a first time head coach and had to learn on the job. His 2nd season Western moved from the OVC to the SBC a HUGE step up in talented schools. The 1st year SBC had 2 NCAA bids, 2nd 3, 3rd 3 and 4th year Western was one of the 4 schools to get a NCAA Bid. Western's 5th season (Clem's 6th and last) 2 NCAA bids with Western winning the conf. His recruiting was as good if not better than Stansbury's. Won 58% of his games over 6 seasons with 2 NCAA Bids. Lost to UAB in one and Beat Neb. in the other before getting hosed vs uk in a 2nd round 64-71 loss. Clem wanted to stay at Western but Western refused a 5 year contract..he would have retired at Western. So he took the Minn. job

So that's 6

Western has had 13 head coaches (14th very first season only played 4 games) and every one of them has made the NCAA Tourney. With the exception of Coach Stansbury

Harper 2 in 4 1/3 seasons

Ken McDonald 1 in 3 2/3 seasons (fired)

Horn 1 in 5 seasons

Felton 3 in 5 seasons..back to back to back

Matt Kilcullen 1 in 4 seasons (fired)

Ralph Willard 2 in 4 seasons

Murray Arnold 1 in 4 seasons (fired)

Clem 2 in 6 seasons

Keady 1 in 2 seasons

Jim Richards 2 in 7 seasons (retired)

John Oldham 4 in 7 seasons (retired)

Mr Diddle 3 in 42 seasons sweet 16 in all. Most of his years the NIT was the National Tourney ranked in top 20 nine of the 12 years that the AP had a poll (retired)

WKU hasn't made the tournament yet because CUSA is a step up in competition, despite what the polls/RPI say. I don't think Harper or Stans have one yet in CUSA, do they? We are a very competitive league and cannibalize our own. Some of your other leagues could be man-handled by a dominant team. CUSA just doesn't let it happen anymore for more than a year or two for any team.

I would disagree with that. Besides last year mtsu dominated everyone and it wasn’t close.

The year before we beat them twice and USM knocked them out of tourney. They had 2 solid years, 2 years ago...not a dynasty. There were 2 years before that they didn't win, either. One of those glory years UAB had the better conference record. Not saying they weren't good, but they weren't Memphis good. Memphis was the team to beat for a decade. MTSU is the only team to win the tournament twice in this iteration, but only twice and we've been playing this for 6 years. So 5 different tourney winners and UAB won the regular season as much as Middle did. It's way more parity than you realize.

http://conferenceusa.com/standings.aspx?standings=54
http://conferenceusa.com/standings.aspx?standings=22
http://conferenceusa.com/standings.aspx?standings=6
http://conferenceusa.com/standings.aspx?standings=24
http://conferenceusa.com/standings.aspx?standings=60
http://conferenceusa.com/standings.aspx?standings=69

Lots of different names at and near the top of those standings

After rereading what you were saying about a team only dominating for a year or two I agree with ya :)