(06-20-2019 04:51 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 03:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Are they concentration camps by the original definition...which came way before the Holocaust? Yes, most likely. That being said, since the Holocaust, they've taken on the additional meaning of also being death camps. Therefore, it's just best not to use the term without a bunch of qualifiers around it....so bottom line...just don't use it.

I agree. Detention camp is the correct characterization. Of course...That does not trigger Beto's base. He intentionally used the term to try and gain political points with his followers. He knows damn well that these are not concentration camps in any respect.

Perhaps, but honest ??? and I can't really find an answer, are they "detention" camps? As in these people are being physically detained? If tomorrow Juan or Julieta went to the Office of Whoever They'd Go To, and say, "Amigo, your place here sucks, we wanna get out of here and head on back home. We gave it a shot and now realize it was a mistake".

Are they kept from leaving? Anyone know the answer here?

(06-20-2019 01:12 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  There is a difference between concentration camps and death camps. The definition of a concentration camp is hoarding people into detention without a trial. Look it up brainiacs. That’s EXACTLY what we are doing.

Facts and such. Quit watching Fox News and try to educate yourselves boys. It has to be embarrassing at some point.

Get REAL!!!! It's a liberal "dog whistle" to paint Trump as Hitler like. NOTHING could be further from the truth, he's simply trying to prevent the ILLEGALS from entering the country hurting the lower income communities by competing for the same jobs thus keeping those wages LOW.

(06-20-2019 05:12 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 04:51 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 03:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Are they concentration camps by the original definition...which came way before the Holocaust? Yes, most likely. That being said, since the Holocaust, they've taken on the additional meaning of also being death camps. Therefore, it's just best not to use the term without a bunch of qualifiers around it....so bottom line...just don't use it.

I agree. Detention camp is the correct characterization. Of course...That does not trigger Beto's base. He intentionally used the term to try and gain political points with his followers. He knows damn well that these are not concentration camps in any respect.

Perhaps, but honest ??? and I can't really find an answer, are they "detention" camps? As in these people are being physically detained? If tomorrow Juan or Julieta went to the Office of Whoever They'd Go To, and say, "Amigo, your place here sucks, we wanna get out of here and head on back home. We gave it a shot and now realize it was a mistake".

Are they kept from leaving? Anyone know the answer here?

Good question. Im guessing that they are detained because they could just simply try again to cross without getting caught. I think those that are denied aslyum are transported back to their home of origin. Honestly...Im with you. I really dont know.

FFS. Rarely has a thread ever been this stupid. Debating the rantings of lunatics comparing illegal aliens to murdered Jews.

Notice how no one has put forth a link but me.

Just pointing that out.

But many experts were quick to point out that, by definition, the ICE detention facilities are concentration camps. The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines a concentration camp as, "a place where large numbers of people (such as prisoners of war, political prisoners, refugees, or the members of an ethnic or religious minority) are detained or confined under armed guard."

You guys keep up with your “opinion”. I’ll stick with Merriam Webster.

(06-20-2019 05:52 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You guys keep up with your “opinion”. I’ll stick with Merriam Webster.

You sure are acting like a niggard when it comes to your refusal to acknowledge the obvious connotation hundreds of millions have about the use of a certain word/phrase....

‘A Tremendous Disservice’: NBC News Host Rips Ocasio-Cortez Over Concentration Camps Remark

Quote:Well, it seems only those who don’t care about the Holocaust are the ones either defending or not thinking much about Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s (D-NY) latest trip up, where she took to social media to declare that we have full-blown concentration camps on our southern border. We don’t. We have detention centers housing illegal aliens we have arrested because that’s the law. Yet, we do have a border crisis. The Department of Homeland Security said they’re running out of cash to handle the crisis. House Democrats won’t give the White House the tools they need to deal with it, hence why Trump had to play the tariff card to get Mexico to step up their enforcement measures—and they have. On a monthly basis, we’re approaching six-figure territory when it comes to migrant apprehensions at the border.

AOC tried to pivot tweeting, “And for the shrieking Republicans who don’t know the difference: concentration camps are not the same as death camps. Concentration camps are considered by experts as ‘the mass detention of civilians without trial.’ And that’s exactly what this administration is doing.”

Lady, you referenced “never again,” so the game is over here. And you also showed once again how the Left is just historically illiterate. Holocaust memorial groups torched Ocasio-Cortez with her distinction without a difference defense. The British had concentration camps during the Second Boer War, part of the counterinsurgency operations deployed to stamp out resistance from white South Africa settlers, but when you say “concentration camp” or “never again,” we all know you mean the Nazi Holocaust. And AOC, concentration camps and death camps are interchangeable in this dark period, according to the experts. But you don’t need to be one to know that. Anyone who has read about this genocide knows that, which is why you’re being rightfully dragged for this. Even NBC News’ Chuck Todd lambasted your poor word choice” (via Fox News):

NBC "Meet the Press" host Chuck Todd called out U.S. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for doing migrants “a tremendous disservice” by comparing U.S. detention camps at the U.S.-Mexico border to Nazi concentration camps.

Todd said Wednesday that Nazi death and concentration camps are “not comparable in the slightest” to what’s going on at the border.

“You can call our government’s detention of migrants at our southern border many things depending on how you see it. It’s a stain on our nation, maybe. A necessary evil to others,” Todd said. “But do you know what you can’t call it?” he asked, before airing a clip of Ocasio-Cortez’s controversial remarks.

Todd said the New York Democrat's use of the term “concentration camps” only distracts from the debate on how to resolve the humanitarian crisis at the southern border.

Todd also criticized other Democrats, such as House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler of New York, who were reluctant to condemn Ocasio-Cortez’s remarks.

You can add Pelosi to the names of Democrats who won’t condemn her. The House Speaker and the leadership are afraid of her probably. Pelosi had tried to say that the AOC wing of the Democratic caucus is like five people, trying to downplay their clout on the Hill, but they treat them as if they’re the majority. Maybe it’s because they are, or at least not in the single-digits as some might think. Heck, a large chunk of the 2020 Democratic field is already signing onto AOC's Green New Deal, which is nothing short of an economic catastrophe. And yet, the Democrats are all flocking to her banner.

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(06-20-2019 03:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Are they concentration camps by the original definition...which came way before the Holocaust? Yes, most likely. That being said, since the Holocaust, they've taken on the additional meaning of also being death camps. Therefore, it's just best not to use the term without a bunch of qualifiers around it....so bottom line...just don't use it.

Very sensible answer. Detention center probably works best in this nnstance.


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(06-20-2019 03:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Are they concentration camps by the original definition...which came way before the Holocaust? Yes, most likely.

And what definition would that be?

(06-20-2019 05:52 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You guys keep up with your “opinion”. I’ll stick with Merriam Webster.

Don't be obtuse. You know words have different connotations.

If people are uninformed sufficiently to fall for this crap and still listen to this demagoguery then the good ole USA is in even deeper dodo than I had imagined. This is the type of rhetoric that leads to fascism.

It’s amazing that folks confuse what Trump is doing with fascism when he focuses on individual rights and the Democrats are focusing on groups rights and conflict.


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