(06-17-2019 09:30 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 08:50 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 08:43 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 06:30 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  No other AAC school would think about indie. They don't have the viable options like UConn.

I can't see anyone wanting to leave the AAC at this point with that fat OTA television deal they just signed for a 1 billion over the life of the contact and ABC/CBS exposure.

It would be suicide for UConn FB to bail.

Thee question I believe is more would UTEP return to the WAC or ODU return to the CAA to compete more regionally. Neither is doing much in G5 football and could use the step down in competition.

Absolutely no way ODU is dropping out of FBS after five seasons and with a new stadium about to open. Plus the CAA is at best a lateral move in basketball and quite frankly the few schools left there that fans care about are already on the OOC schedule.

Now if a situation were to arise that allowed ODU to move to the A-10 while football goes indy, I could possibly see that, though the A-10 is bloated itself at 14 schools, so I doubt they're into adding members even if they lost Dayton and Saint Louis to the Big East down the line.

And no way UTEP is leaving to join up with UTRGV, UMKC and Chicago State. Not. A. Chance.

I said ODU indy in FB.

To attract more P5's at home and play regionally UMass/Liberty/Army.

Sign a local TV deal worth more than CUSA's national deal.

Gotcha. I misread.

That said, I don't think the CAA holds much appeal for ODU, especially since its basketball is pretty good. Maybe the 90s CAA with decent teams and a tight footprint, but VCU, Richmond and George Mason are in the A-10 now, and Drexel and Elon aren't much of a replacement.

Where would George Mason be today if their board of trustees approved football in 1999? It fell one vote short.

(06-18-2019 08:04 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Where would George Mason be today if their board of trustees approved football in 1999? It fell one vote short.

My guess is they'd be like Richmond; CAA in football, A-10 for everything else. The DMV never struck me as being a particularly big college football area, and I'm not sure George Mason would have generated that much interest outside Fairfax County, or even all that much inside it.

Rice
Tulane
ECU
Houston
Boise State
San Diego State

All the Florida schools could pull it off as well
FIU
FAU
UCF
USF

(06-18-2019 08:31 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Rice
Tulane
ECU
Houston
Boise State
San Diego State

All the Florida schools could pull it off as well
FIU
FAU
UCF
USF

That looks like a very good summary.


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I wouldn't mind seeing App State and/or Boise State try to be a mini-BYU as an independent, but it's not happening.

A lot of schools could pull off independence if a lot of schools did make that choice. But being independent is one thing. Being a lone wolf is another. It doesn't help that the parties to the CFP contract imposed financial penalties on schools that didn't choose to join a conference or weren't invited to.

In the chase for the almighty dollar, a lot of schools have made choices that proved to be suboptimal at best, and disastrous at worst. Personally, I am saddened to see a once thriving ECU football program go in the tank once they got the conference invitation they had been desperately chasing for years. I wonder if the new AAC media deal is worth losing 30% of their attendance for home games. I also wonder if going indy would ever bring those fans back.

(06-19-2019 06:53 AM)ken d Wrote:  A lot of schools could pull off independence if a lot of schools did make that choice. But being independent is one thing. Being a lone wolf is another.

This is WHY there is a "second half of the season home games" problem. When (1980) 30 schools are Independent, including Penn State, Pitt, Notre Dame, Miami (FL), Georgia Tech, BC, Virginia Tech, South Carolina and West Virginia ... the question of "which conference schools can we play in the last half of the season" is not an issue, you play other independent schools in the time of the year that conference schools are not available.

Once the TV football rights were determined to go to the school, the economics of TV contracts gave a bonus to conferences, since unlike a contract with a single school, when a conference plays together, there will always be some schools having a "relatively" good year, so a conference contract is a lower risk proposition than a contract with a single school and the media payment rewards that reduction in risk.

Quote: It doesn't help that the parties to the CFP contract imposed financial penalties on schools that didn't choose to join a conference or weren't invited to. ...

And, indeed, this happened in part because so many schools had already been pulled into conferences by the economics of media contracts. If there were 30 schools that were independent, including some regular contenders for the "National Championship", then the CFP would have been structured differently with regards to Independents.

(06-19-2019 06:53 AM)ken d Wrote:  A lot of schools could pull off independence if a lot of schools did make that choice. But being independent is one thing. Being a lone wolf is another. It doesn't help that the parties to the CFP contract imposed financial penalties on schools that didn't choose to join a conference or weren't invited to.

In the chase for the almighty dollar, a lot of schools have made choices that proved to be suboptimal at best, and disastrous at worst. Personally, I am saddened to see a once thriving ECU football program go in the tank once they got the conference invitation they had been desperately chasing for years. I wonder if the new AAC media deal is worth losing 30% of their attendance for home games. I also wonder if going indy would ever bring those fans back.

ECU's problems are really a performance issue. They had been in CUSA since the 90s and have expanded their stadium several times since then.

(06-17-2019 08:43 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 06:30 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  No other AAC school would think about indie. They don't have the viable options like UConn.

I can't see anyone wanting to leave the AAC at this point with that fat OTA television deal they just signed for a 1 billion over the life of the contact and ABC/CBS exposure.

It would be suicide for UConn FB to bail.

Thee question I believe is more would UTEP return to the WAC or ODU return to the CAA to compete more regionally. Neither is doing much in G5 football and could use the step down in competition.

We aren't hearing much about UConn to the Big East any longer. Not worth it with the contract the American got. Their basketball fortunes are in their own hands and football has a stable home.

(06-18-2019 09:24 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 08:31 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Rice
Tulane
ECU
Houston
Boise State
San Diego State

All the Florida schools could pull it off as well
FIU
FAU
UCF
USF

That looks like a very good summary.


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Boise could now but a bad couple of years and no chance.
Any Texas or Florida school you can recruit that area no one is recruiting Idaho.

Between 1978 t0 1982, we had so many Independents. Appalachian State was an Independent until 1982 when NCAA forced schools to go 1AA. If schools were never forced 1A at a time? We may still have plenty schools at the FBS level to form a couple of new conferences or WAC would still have FBS football. The Ivy League, Drake and Villanova would still leave.

Idaho
Illinois State
Indiana State
Southern Illinois
Tennessee State
Lehigh
Colgate
Holy Cross
Lafayette
Chattanooga
McNeese State
Richmond
Wichita State
Lamar
William & Mary
West Texas A&M
UTA
East Tennessee State
Furman
Western Carolina
The Citadel
VMI


Plus these schools if they stayed with the big boys not dropping football or down levels.

Montana (could be MWC member now instead of San Jose State)
Idaho
Florida A&M was moving up to FBS 2001-2002 while Morris Brown was upgrading from D2 to FCS that year to replace Flo. A&M. Sadly for a brief time at D1, Morris Brown lost accreditations and dropped all sports to move out of the NCAA.
Fullerton State
Long Beach
UC-Riverside
Pacific
Tampa
UC-Santa Barbara
Santa Clara
CSU-Los Angeles
Hardin-Simmons
Southwestern
Northern Michigan
Sewanee
Wash., MO.
Grinnell
Chicago
Wayne State
Case Western Reserve
Washburn

We could go earlier like Montana State, Denver, Regis, Colorado Mines, Western Colorado, Colorado College, Mt. Ida, MIT, Johns Hopkins, Deleware, Towson, Dayton, Miss. College, Union Tenn.,Kingsville, Angelo State, and so forth. Depends on what year schools called major or minor. Michigan State, Louisville, Florida State and some others were not major and were outsiders looking in like the G5.

(06-20-2019 02:47 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Between 1978 t0 1982, we had so many Independents. Appalachian State was an Independent until 1982 when NCAA forced schools to go 1AA.

App State joined the Southern Conference in the 70s.

(06-20-2019 03:14 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 02:47 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Between 1978 t0 1982, we had so many Independents. Appalachian State was an Independent until 1982 when NCAA forced schools to go 1AA.

Between 1978 to 1982, Appalachian State was an independent at 1A like other Southern Conference schools at the time. Furman, W. Carolina, Chattanooga, E. Tennessee State, Citadel, VMI were 1A independents in football. 1982, the NCAA forced many schools to 1AA in football which includes Cincinnati and MAC schools.

You might want to look into your facts bud.

What a weird independent schedule.

(06-19-2019 09:05 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(06-19-2019 06:53 AM)ken d Wrote:  A lot of schools could pull off independence if a lot of schools did make that choice. But being independent is one thing. Being a lone wolf is another. It doesn't help that the parties to the CFP contract imposed financial penalties on schools that didn't choose to join a conference or weren't invited to.

In the chase for the almighty dollar, a lot of schools have made choices that proved to be suboptimal at best, and disastrous at worst. Personally, I am saddened to see a once thriving ECU football program go in the tank once they got the conference invitation they had been desperately chasing for years. I wonder if the new AAC media deal is worth losing 30% of their attendance for home games. I also wonder if going indy would ever bring those fans back.

ECU's problems are really a performance issue. They had been in CUSA since the 90s and have expanded their stadium several times since then.

Yeah what sent ECU in the tank had nothing to do with getting in the AAC, it was Compher firing Ruff without a plan and hiring a disaster in Mo. The exact same thing happened over 15 years ago when Hammy fired Logan without a plan and made a disaster of a hire in John Thompson. ECU recovered and fans came back to even higher levels than they did in the 90's. As long as ECU made the right hire this time fans will come back.

(06-21-2019 12:12 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-19-2019 09:05 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(06-19-2019 06:53 AM)ken d Wrote:  A lot of schools could pull off independence if a lot of schools did make that choice. But being independent is one thing. Being a lone wolf is another. It doesn't help that the parties to the CFP contract imposed financial penalties on schools that didn't choose to join a conference or weren't invited to.

In the chase for the almighty dollar, a lot of schools have made choices that proved to be suboptimal at best, and disastrous at worst. Personally, I am saddened to see a once thriving ECU football program go in the tank once they got the conference invitation they had been desperately chasing for years. I wonder if the new AAC media deal is worth losing 30% of their attendance for home games. I also wonder if going indy would ever bring those fans back.

ECU's problems are really a performance issue. They had been in CUSA since the 90s and have expanded their stadium several times since then.

Yeah what sent ECU in the tank had nothing to do with getting in the AAC, it was Compher firing Ruff without a plan and hiring a disaster in Mo. The exact same thing happened over 15 years ago when Hammy fired Logan without a plan and made a disaster of a hire in John Thompson. ECU recovered and fans came back to even higher levels than they did in the 90's. As long as ECU made the right hire this time fans will come back.

I remember Thompson haha....he lasted like 3 games as South Carolina's DC back on Spurrier's first staff.

(06-20-2019 03:39 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  You might want to look into your facts bud.

What a weird independent schedule.

Will, under college football facts, MVC had football, but some of their members were FBS Independents. That includes New Mexico State, North Texas, West Texas AM and so forth while some are FCS. Marshall at the time FCS while the rest were FBS or 1A and 1AA. MVC, Southern and Southland had members in both FBS and FCS at the time. I think that is one reason why the rules change that a conference can't be both. The Patriot League and CAA have not been formed yet for football, OVC also had teams in 1a and 1aa.

Their games are counted from 1978-1982 with their latest scores today as part of their history at FBS. Furman, The Citadel and VMI's records are much longer at the highest rung of football since they were with the ACC and SEC schools in the same conference.

UMass, Army, UConn, Liberty. Independence in the northeast is looking less daunting.