Seattle and the WCC is an interesting one. I think WCC would have welcomed them back in directly from D2 had Gonzaga not been in the conference.

WCC probably won't be one to take directly from D2 because of Gonzaga now. And Big Sky simply doesn't need to, because the WAC is stocked full of schools wanting in.

With Bentley, I can see a backfill in NEC. I'm sure they'd prefer MAAC.

(06-18-2019 01:52 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 08:15 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I wouldn't exactly call it "logical." We're seeing more conferences than just the ASUN and WAC take on non-DI programs. Southland, NEC, AmEast, and Big West...it's not as rare as it looks. You just have some conferences who feel these guys need to "pay their dues" on someone else's time. That may eventually change, especially if someone fits their needs.

I think Bellarmine isn't long for ASun. They may have options in the near future, and I don't mean Big South.

I'm wondering who's the next school to move all of its programs to D1 with their lone program up there. My money's on Bentley.

Bentley and Southern New Hampshire are rumored to follow Merrimack up.
Summitt i s looking at Augustana because of the Indiana school wants to jump to Horizon. Western Illinois has issues.
Horizon wanted Wayne State. Bellarmine and Southern Indiana are options as well.
WCC might look at Northwest Nazarene from the GNAC. It would give WCC another school in the northwest not in the state of Washington. Seattle U. is blocked because of Gozaga.

This is why you get ZERO credit for your guesses. You throw everything out there at once, and when some of your **** sticks, you crow about it. But the assinine comments like the highlighted show you are whacked.

I can 1000% guarantee that the WCC will never, ever take Northwest Nazerene. Arkansas Tech has a better shot at the SEC that NNU does with the WCC. A 1,200 student university is a candidate for NAIA, not D1

(06-18-2019 03:20 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 01:52 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 08:15 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I wouldn't exactly call it "logical." We're seeing more conferences than just the ASUN and WAC take on non-DI programs. Southland, NEC, AmEast, and Big West...it's not as rare as it looks. You just have some conferences who feel these guys need to "pay their dues" on someone else's time. That may eventually change, especially if someone fits their needs.

I think Bellarmine isn't long for ASun. They may have options in the near future, and I don't mean Big South.

I'm wondering who's the next school to move all of its programs to D1 with their lone program up there. My money's on Bentley.

Seattle U has a better shot at the WCC with Gonzaga still a member than NNU in Nampa.

Also why would the WCC pick NNU over Denver U CBU or GCU? Short answer is they wouldn't.

Bentley and Southern New Hampshire are rumored to follow Merrimack up.
Summitt i s looking at Augustana because of the Indiana school wants to jump to Horizon. Western Illinois has issues.
Horizon wanted Wayne State. Bellarmine and Southern Indiana are options as well.
WCC might look at Northwest Nazarene from the GNAC. It would give WCC another school in the northwest not in the state of Washington. Seattle U. is blocked because of Gozaga.

This is why you get ZERO credit for your guesses. You throw everything out there at once, and when some of your **** sticks, you crow about it. But the assinine comments like the highlighted show you are whacked.

I can 1000% guarantee that the WCC will never, ever take Northwest Nazerene. Arkansas Tech has a better shot at the SEC that NNU does with the WCC. A 1,200 student university is a candidate for NAIA, not D1

Northwest Nazarene to the WCC. You heard it from DavidSt first!

(06-18-2019 03:26 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 03:20 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 01:52 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 08:15 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I wouldn't exactly call it "logical." We're seeing more conferences than just the ASUN and WAC take on non-DI programs. Southland, NEC, AmEast, and Big West...it's not as rare as it looks. You just have some conferences who feel these guys need to "pay their dues" on someone else's time. That may eventually change, especially if someone fits their needs.

I think Bellarmine isn't long for ASun. They may have options in the near future, and I don't mean Big South.

I'm wondering who's the next school to move all of its programs to D1 with their lone program up there. My money's on Bentley.

Seattle U has a better shot at the WCC with Gonzaga still a member than NNU in Nampa.

Also why would the WCC pick NNU over Denver U CBU or GCU? Short answer is they wouldn't.

Bentley and Southern New Hampshire are rumored to follow Merrimack up.
Summitt i s looking at Augustana because of the Indiana school wants to jump to Horizon. Western Illinois has issues.
Horizon wanted Wayne State. Bellarmine and Southern Indiana are options as well.
WCC might look at Northwest Nazarene from the GNAC. It would give WCC another school in the northwest not in the state of Washington. Seattle U. is blocked because of Gozaga.

This is why you get ZERO credit for your guesses. You throw everything out there at once, and when some of your **** sticks, you crow about it. But the assinine comments like the highlighted show you are whacked.

I can 1000% guarantee that the WCC will never, ever take Northwest Nazerene. Arkansas Tech has a better shot at the SEC that NNU does with the WCC. A 1,200 student university is a candidate for NAIA, not D1

You might want to edit your comment - it makes it look like DavidSt said it :)

Let's not pretend that the kid is some sort or realignment cevant. He has literally called for dozens of schools to move to DI or from FCS to FBS.

(06-18-2019 01:52 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Bentley and Southern New Hampshire are rumored to follow Merrimack up.
Summitt i s looking at Augustana because of the Indiana school wants to jump to Horizon. Western Illinois has issues.
Horizon wanted Wayne State. Bellarmine and Southern Indiana are options as well.
WCC might look at Northwest Nazarene from the GNAC. It would give WCC another school in the northwest not in the state of Washington. Seattle U. is blocked because of Gozaga.

David!!!! Where are you getting this?! Show some proof where the Horizon League wanted Wayne State...and not from our HL message board! Fans spouting their preferences and opinions don't count. If they did HL fans talked about adding Northern Kentucky years before it happened. We didn't claim Nostradamus status though! Proof DavidSt, proof!

(06-18-2019 05:40 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Let's not pretend that the kid is some sort or realignment cevant. He has literally called for dozens of schools to move to DI or from FCS to FBS.

Yeah, he calls them after newspaper articles mention it. He says they’re a candidate for whichever closest conference might expand. He is never right about any far flung idea he has. Wow, he “predicts” successful D2 schools that there’s an article an them kicking around D1 and turns it into his usual stuff.

He just said Northwest Nazarene might be a WCC team! That is as insane as it gets! He also said Upper Iowa could join the MAC. Look up Upper Iowa and see how ridiculous that idea is.

(06-18-2019 06:48 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 05:40 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Let's not pretend that the kid is some sort or realignment cevant. He has literally called for dozens of schools to move to DI or from FCS to FBS.

Yeah, he calls them after newspaper articles mention it. He says they’re a candidate for whichever closest conference might expand. He is never right about any far flung idea he has. Wow, he “predicts” successful D2 schools that there’s an article an them kicking around D1 and turns it into his usual stuff.

He just said Northwest Nazarene might be a WCC team! That is as insane as it gets! He also said Upper Iowa could join the MAC. Look up Upper Iowa and see how ridiculous that idea is.

I said that as a poss9ible candidate for WCC because Northwest Nazarene is in the Boise's tv market, and would not infringe on Gonzaga. Any other GNAC schools would be overlapping Gonzaga or BYU who are private.

(06-18-2019 11:16 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 06:48 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 05:40 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Let's not pretend that the kid is some sort or realignment cevant. He has literally called for dozens of schools to move to DI or from FCS to FBS.

Yeah, he calls them after newspaper articles mention it. He says they’re a candidate for whichever closest conference might expand. He is never right about any far flung idea he has. Wow, he “predicts” successful D2 schools that there’s an article an them kicking around D1 and turns it into his usual stuff.

He just said Northwest Nazarene might be a WCC team! That is as insane as it gets! He also said Upper Iowa could join the MAC. Look up Upper Iowa and see how ridiculous that idea is.

I said that as a poss9ible candidate for WCC because Northwest Nazarene is in the Boise's tv market, and would not infringe on Gonzaga. Any other GNAC schools would be overlapping Gonzaga or BYU who are private.

What article has ever said NNU was a candidate for D1, let alone the WCC? NNU only has a $40 million endowment, which current school has the lowest? NNU is not a possible candidate for the WCC. The only way that happens is if a giant earthquake wipes out California.

(06-18-2019 08:15 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I think Bellarmine isn't long for ASun.

I’m not so sure about that. I think Bellarmine is embracing the A-Sun. And I am talking completely outside of sports. I watched the press release and have closely followed the process from the beginning, even before the rumors first broke.
Bellarmine has set a new plan into action for the entire university and the current configuration of the A-Sun works well into the schools overall vision.
They want to be seen as more of a national university, which means breaking out of it’s midwest/great lakes regional perception. They like the makeup of privates and publics in the A-Sun. And they also specifically mentioned the significance of being one of the only D1 Catholic schools in the south (southern conference).
For Bellarmine, the move to D1 goes far beyond athletics. I think they may be a part of the A-Sun longer than you think..... unless they get really good, really quickly, and grow as an institution, and the A10, MVV or Big East come calling.
I grew up in the same neighborhood Bellarmine is in and spent many a winter day snow sledding on their hills and riding bikes on their campus.

(06-18-2019 06:42 PM)Chuck_A Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 01:52 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Bentley and Southern New Hampshire are rumored to follow Merrimack up.
Summitt i s looking at Augustana because of the Indiana school wants to jump to Horizon. Western Illinois has issues.
Horizon wanted Wayne State. Bellarmine and Southern Indiana are options as well.
WCC might look at Northwest Nazarene from the GNAC. It would give WCC another school in the northwest not in the state of Washington. Seattle U. is blocked because of Gozaga.

David!!!! Where are you getting this?! Show some proof where the Horizon League wanted Wayne State...and not from our HL message board! Fans spouting their preferences and opinions don't count. If they did HL fans talked about adding Northern Kentucky years before it happened. We didn't claim Nostradamus status though! Proof DavidSt, proof!

It was around 2005 I think before they invited Detroit Mercy. The school is an R1 and could be a future AAU. Wayne State does have better teams than Detroit Mercy, and were a former MAC founder. Adding Wayne State would help the academics profile of any lower D1 conferences.

(06-19-2019 05:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 06:42 PM)Chuck_A Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 01:52 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Bentley and Southern New Hampshire are rumored to follow Merrimack up.
Summitt i s looking at Augustana because of the Indiana school wants to jump to Horizon. Western Illinois has issues.
Horizon wanted Wayne State. Bellarmine and Southern Indiana are options as well.
WCC might look at Northwest Nazarene from the GNAC. It would give WCC another school in the northwest not in the state of Washington. Seattle U. is blocked because of Gozaga.

David!!!! Where are you getting this?! Show some proof where the Horizon League wanted Wayne State...and not from our HL message board! Fans spouting their preferences and opinions don't count. If they did HL fans talked about adding Northern Kentucky years before it happened. We didn't claim Nostradamus status though! Proof DavidSt, proof!

It was around 2005 I think before they invited Detroit Mercy. The school is an R1 and could be a future AAU. Wayne State does have better teams than Detroit Mercy, and were a former MAC founder. Adding Wayne State would help the academics profile of any lower D1 conferences.

All I see here is a lot of non-relevant words. Where is the PROOF?

About the last thing I want to do is enable DavidSt's flights of delusion BUT there IS this story from the Detroit News about Wayne State building a 3,000-seat athletic facility that'll house their basketball teams as well as the Pistons' G-League affiliate in time for the 2021-22 season.

The reporter points out that the facility could indicate interest in a move to D1, though other than a noncommittal comment from the chair of the Wayne State Board of Governors, there's not much other than speculation, and not a lot of it. Plus there's absolutely nothing about the Horizon at all. But still, I guess it's not totally out of the realm of possibility, especially since there aren't that many viable low-major D1 options for a Michigan moveup (the Summit is leaning west and the Atlantic Sun isn't exactly in Detroit's neighborhood). But it would require at least one of the Horizon's two Detroit-area members to leave. Plus that 3,000-seat facility would be the smallest in the conference, with only Oakland (4,005, per Wiki) even close. So not a great chance, but I suppose still nonzero.

(06-19-2019 05:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 06:42 PM)Chuck_A Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 01:52 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Bentley and Southern New Hampshire are rumored to follow Merrimack up.
Summitt i s looking at Augustana because of the Indiana school wants to jump to Horizon. Western Illinois has issues.
Horizon wanted Wayne State. Bellarmine and Southern Indiana are options as well.
WCC might look at Northwest Nazarene from the GNAC. It would give WCC another school in the northwest not in the state of Washington. Seattle U. is blocked because of Gozaga.

David!!!! Where are you getting this?! Show some proof where the Horizon League wanted Wayne State...and not from our HL message board! Fans spouting their preferences and opinions don't count. If they did HL fans talked about adding Northern Kentucky years before it happened. We didn't claim Nostradamus status though! Proof DavidSt, proof!

It was around 2005 I think before they invited Detroit Mercy. The school is an R1 and could be a future AAU. Wayne State does have better teams than Detroit Mercy, and were a former MAC founder. Adding Wayne State would help the academics profile of any lower D1 conferences.

Detroit joined the league one year after it was founded.

(06-19-2019 04:02 PM)army56mike Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 08:15 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I think Bellarmine isn't long for ASun.

I’m not so sure about that. I think Bellarmine is embracing the A-Sun. And I am talking completely outside of sports. I watched the press release and have closely followed the process from the beginning, even before the rumors first broke.
Bellarmine has set a new plan into action for the entire university and the current configuration of the A-Sun works well into the schools overall vision.
They want to be seen as more of a national university, which means breaking out of it’s midwest/great lakes regional perception. They like the makeup of privates and publics in the A-Sun. And they also specifically mentioned the significance of being one of the only D1 Catholic schools in the south (southern conference).
For Bellarmine, the move to D1 goes far beyond athletics. I think they may be a part of the A-Sun longer than you think..... unless they get really good, really quickly, and grow as an institution, and the A10, MVV or Big East come calling.
I grew up in the same neighborhood Bellarmine is in and spent many a winter day snow sledding on their hills and riding bikes on their campus.

I agree, I doubt they want to get stuck with the likes of the other private schools in Big South, just waiting for a shot at SoCon or somewhere else. But, OVC or Horizon? Could they someday move the needle for MVC? A post right in Louisville?

(06-19-2019 07:02 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(06-19-2019 05:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 06:42 PM)Chuck_A Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 01:52 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Bentley and Southern New Hampshire are rumored to follow Merrimack up.
Summitt i s looking at Augustana because of the Indiana school wants to jump to Horizon. Western Illinois has issues.
Horizon wanted Wayne State. Bellarmine and Southern Indiana are options as well.
WCC might look at Northwest Nazarene from the GNAC. It would give WCC another school in the northwest not in the state of Washington. Seattle U. is blocked because of Gozaga.

David!!!! Where are you getting this?! Show some proof where the Horizon League wanted Wayne State...and not from our HL message board! Fans spouting their preferences and opinions don't count. If they did HL fans talked about adding Northern Kentucky years before it happened. We didn't claim Nostradamus status though! Proof DavidSt, proof!

It was around 2005 I think before they invited Detroit Mercy. The school is an R1 and could be a future AAU. Wayne State does have better teams than Detroit Mercy, and were a former MAC founder. Adding Wayne State would help the academics profile of any lower D1 conferences.

Detroit joined the league one year after it was founded.

Wait. Are you saying David made a fictitious statement and ignored all the true facts? How can that be?

(06-19-2019 05:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Wayne State does have better teams than Detroit Mercy, and were a former MAC founder.

There's no "former" about it. The founders of the MAC were Ohio U, Butler University, University of Cincinnati, Wayne University and Western Reserve University. For all five, their status as MAC founders will never expire, so none of them will ever be "former MAC founders".

Never knew Wayne St was a former MAC founder. Thanks for the factoid David!

(06-19-2019 04:02 PM)army56mike Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 08:15 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I think Bellarmine isn't long for ASun.

I’m not so sure about that. I think Bellarmine is embracing the A-Sun. And I am talking completely outside of sports. I watched the press release and have closely followed the process from the beginning, even before the rumors first broke.
Bellarmine has set a new plan into action for the entire university and the current configuration of the A-Sun works well into the schools overall vision.
They want to be seen as more of a national university, which means breaking out of it’s midwest/great lakes regional perception. They like the makeup of privates and publics in the A-Sun. And they also specifically mentioned the significance of being one of the only D1 Catholic schools in the south (southern conference).
For Bellarmine, the move to D1 goes far beyond athletics. I think they may be a part of the A-Sun longer than you think..... unless they get really good, really quickly, and grow as an institution, and the A10, MVV or Big East come calling.
I grew up in the same neighborhood Bellarmine is in and spent many a winter day snow sledding on their hills and riding bikes on their campus.

They're supposed to embrace their new conference. What else are they to do? Sure the ASUN gives them the immediate exposure they're looking for. And for the 4-6 years that they'll be a part of it, it will help them accomplish that part of their vision. Make no mistake, however, the travel will still be a killer both financially and for their students. If they purport to be about Student first, then they should want their students to miss as little class time as possible. Regardless of the perceived negative dynamics of a midwestern conference, that is exactly where they belong. NKU and for that matter Oakland were glad to rid themselves of conferences that were "good to great fits" at the time (ASUN & Summit, respectively) to join a league that was more Student-friendly. Not saying the Horizon will be a destination for the Knights, but it, the OVC and the MVC are much better fits than the ASUN.