If USM beats a "ranked" team in week 2, and that ranked team finishes the season 5-7 or 4-8....then it definitely shouldn't be counted as a ranked win because that "ranked school" was really just fool's gold that benefited from ridiculous and meaningless pre-season polls. It carries more weight if the team you beat ended up ranked.

This is another reason why I don't think they should ranked teams until October.

(06-17-2019 03:50 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 11:35 AM)everyone Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 11:32 AM)ODU2011 Wrote:  I believe ODU is 1 - 0 vs top 25 teams with our win over VT last year. I was not surprised to see it excluded from the list when I saw who started the thread. Unfortunately I don’t think we will see another for quite sometime.

VT was not ranked in the AP poll at the end of the year. If you read through the thread you would see that is what the ranking is based on. You can start your own thread that shows a ranking that includes your one win vs a team that did not end the year in the Top 25.

Stupid way to view it. ODU beat #13 VT. Don't try to twist it to say they didn't beat a ranked team.

Numbers are not stupid, there just numbers. I never said they didn't beat a ranked team. I said VT didn't finish the season ranked, hence ODU is not included in this list.

(06-17-2019 03:50 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 03:28 PM)everyone Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 01:51 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 10:16 AM)Bleacher Eagle Wrote:  66 -Southern Mississippi 7 18
90 -Marshall 2 15
92 -UAB 2 21
94 -Louisiana Tech 1 5
95 -UTEP 1 9
99 -Rice 1 15
136 Old Dominion 0 0
137 Charlotte 0 0
140 -Western Kentucky 0 0
144 -UTSA 0 0
148 -Middle Tennessee State 0 0
151 -Florida Atlantic 0 0
152 -Florida International 0 0
155 -North Texas 0 0

14 wins over ranked teams over a 40 year span. Basically proves what most already know about this conference.

You can put a 1 and 23 by Western's name.....

Marshall was ranked 19th when Western beat them and finished ranked 23rd

Was this regular season or champ game or what? The list is only regular season and where the team ended in AP poll that year but definitely could have mistakes.

Last game of the season, Marshall was 11-0 and finished the season 13-1, ranked 23rd

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/sch...edule.html

Then I think you are right and WKU should have a 1 as well so 15 total. I forgot about that crazy game.

(06-17-2019 03:55 PM)TTT Wrote:  If USM beats a "ranked" team in week 2, and that ranked team finishes the season 5-7 or 4-8....then it definitely shouldn't be counted as a ranked win because that "ranked school" was really just fool's gold that benefited from ridiculous and meaningless pre-season polls. It carries more weight if the team you beat ended up ranked.

This is another reason why I don't think they should ranked teams until October.

Yes and no....

a team could be ranked in week two and be 5-0 in week 5 then lose the starting all world QB and lose out or go .500 and unranked. When S. Miss beat them they were full strength . But overall I agree with you on early season games. But take Marshall who was 11-0 when Western beat them in OT and they were ranked 19th. Took them going 13-1 to get back ranked. Marshall was ranked for 7 straight weeks going into game 12 when Western beat them.....

a OT loss to a team that finished with 8 wins shouldnt have dropped them out of the polls

(06-17-2019 03:55 PM)TTT Wrote:  If USM beats a "ranked" team in week 2, and that ranked team finishes the season 5-7 or 4-8....then it definitely shouldn't be counted as a ranked win because that "ranked school" was really just fool's gold that benefited from ridiculous and meaningless pre-season polls. It carries more weight if the team you beat ended up ranked.

This is another reason why I don't think they should ranked teams until October.

There's, of course, a difference between beating a ranked team at full strength that had major injuries make them worse at the end and beating a ranked team that ended up never being close to that good in the first place (Duke the season that Coach K had his back issues that took him off the bench comes to mind). But there's really no easy way to quantify that, whereas when you beat a team with a pound sign and a number next to their name, well, you know EXACTLY what that represents, whether that team wins the national title or doesn't win again the rest of the season.

(06-17-2019 03:50 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 11:35 AM)everyone Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 11:32 AM)ODU2011 Wrote:  I believe ODU is 1 - 0 vs top 25 teams with our win over VT last year. I was not surprised to see it excluded from the list when I saw who started the thread. Unfortunately I don’t think we will see another for quite sometime.

VT was not ranked in the AP poll at the end of the year. If you read through the thread you would see that is what the ranking is based on. You can start your own thread that shows a ranking that includes your one win vs a team that did not end the year in the Top 25.

Stupid way to view it. ODU beat #13 VT. Don't try to twist it to say they didn't beat a ranked team.

No one is denying ODU beat a VT team that finished the year 6-7. Also, USMs # would go way up if we count any win in a season over a ranked team. So it isn't like the counting method only hurts ODU.

(06-17-2019 03:55 PM)TTT Wrote:  If USM beats a "ranked" team in week 2, and that ranked team finishes the season 5-7 or 4-8....then it definitely shouldn't be counted as a ranked win because that "ranked school" was really just fool's gold that benefited from ridiculous and meaningless pre-season polls. It carries more weight if the team you beat ended up ranked.

This is another reason why I don't think they should ranked teams until October.

If they did that it would be harder to justify keeping the P5 teams in most of the Top 25 slots. They go ahead and put them there at the beginning of the season so it makes it harder for any non p5 to come up through the rankings. Their teams get the benefit of the doubt.

I agree with you it should start in October.

We beat #6 Kansas St in 2003 and #21 BYU in 1999. I think that’s right.

(06-17-2019 11:44 AM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 10:36 AM)everyone Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 10:34 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  Typically, these kinds of lists count wins based on end of year rankings.

Yes, end of year ranking in AP poll.

Which also means if we beat them, they AINT gonna be ranked at the end of the year!

BINGO!

(06-18-2019 03:02 PM)SVHerd Wrote:  We beat #6 Kansas St in 2003 and #21 BYU in 1999. I think that’s right.

BYU was in a bowl, so not counted. The second win we have is against USM in 2011. Yeah Vinny Curry.

But wasnt byu ranked before and after?

(06-18-2019 08:56 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  But wasnt byu ranked before and after?

No, BYU was #25 coming into the bowl game, unranked after the bowl game.