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(06-19-2019 10:15 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 11:31 AM)ucbandguy Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 09:22 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  We've scheduled WMU, WKU and Ohio on home and home basis because UC believes it is important to schedule OOC games against regional competition, and unfortunately the likes of Purdue, Louisville, UK and WVU are not willing to go there. I do think the game against Ohio last year was a relative success. We had a good crowd, supplemented by a decent-sized traveling fan base.

What I like about the regional games - Ohio, WMU, and WKU is that I have the option of a relatively easy drive, simple overnight roadtrip to see the team in a new setting. Since we don't have any conference opponents that fit this description, I am fine with it. I frankly prefer this to an FCS cupcake.

I just don't want to see us filling our schedule with them. I remember 30 some years ago, it felt like we were continually playing some directional school from Louisiana.

My real preference would be home and homes with Louisville, UK, WVU, Northwestern, Illinois, ect. We can't always get what we want.

That's the university's preference as well-- but those schools are intentionally avoiding UC. They know putting us on their schedule actually helps improve recruiting, brand strength, support from alumni, fans, etc.

Great point Clifton. This is why I think we continue to go after non-conf games with P12, low level SEC teams (Vandy), and ACC. Games UC will be competitive in and a name which attracts casual fans. I like the regional games as well against a OU, BG or Toledo. Of course those are must win games for us. Still a name who casual fans recognize and will come watch.

Honestly I’d rather play Ohio or Toledo annually (maybe rotate the two) vs Miami at this point.

(06-19-2019 12:05 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Honestly I’d rather play Ohio or Toledo annually (maybe rotate the two) vs Miami at this point.

No question. I think if the Big East would have stayed intact we would have ended the series a few years ago. I remember Whit Babcock talking about it a function I attended in 2011. After Pitt, WVU and UL left the conversation shifted to not wanting to lose the one trophy game we had left on the schedule. UC doesn't want to go to Oxford anymore, but they are sort of stuck... that's why they agreed to have one game at Nippert, one game at PBS and one at Oxford... to limit the number of times we go up there.

The turnout last year at Nippert convinced me that we should tear up the dear with Miami and replace them with Ohio. They traveled, they have alumni in the area and I even ran into a few UC grads who had mixed emotions about the game because their kids were going to Ohio . Miami is a hockey school. If and when we lose to them (we've ridden the wave now for 13 years but if you play anyone every year they are bound to catch you once) it is going to look awful locally.

(06-19-2019 12:05 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Honestly I’d rather play Ohio or Toledo annually (maybe rotate the two) vs Miami at this point.

Not just because they're my current employer, but I would love a more steady series with Toledo. You could definitely build a rivalry out of it, and they're a much better program than Miami (OH) are.

Speaking of Miami, here’s an article from an AD journal that ranks the best job in the MAC and Miami is ranked at or near the top in every category. I just don’t get it. That school’s brand as a “public ivy” and success in the leather-helmet era continues to carry this belief that is such a great place to be both athletically and academically

https://athleticdirectoru.com/articles/a...onference/

(06-19-2019 03:55 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(06-19-2019 12:05 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Honestly I’d rather play Ohio or Toledo annually (maybe rotate the two) vs Miami at this point.

Not just because they're my current employer, but I would love a more steady series with Toledo. You could definitely build a rivalry out of it, and they're a much better program than Miami (OH) are.

Agree on Toledo. They have been a solid program overall for decades. Other than Ohio State and Cincinnati, is there another Ohio program that has been consistently as good?

Prefer Toledo over Miami.

Prefer Ohio over Miami, but once Solich retires will they stay strong?

(06-19-2019 04:52 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(06-19-2019 03:55 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(06-19-2019 12:05 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Honestly I’d rather play Ohio or Toledo annually (maybe rotate the two) vs Miami at this point.

Not just because they're my current employer, but I would love a more steady series with Toledo. You could definitely build a rivalry out of it, and they're a much better program than Miami (OH) are.

Agree on Toledo. They have been a solid program overall for decades. Other than Ohio State and Cincinnati, is there another Ohio program that has been consistently as good?

Mount Union

(06-19-2019 04:20 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Speaking of Miami, here’s an article from an AD journal that ranks the best job in the MAC and Miami is ranked at or near the top in every category. I just don’t get it. That school’s brand as a “public ivy” and success in the leather-helmet era continues to carry this belief that is such a great place to be both athletically and academically

https://athleticdirectoru.com/articles/a...onference/

Compared to the other MAC schools Miami should be at or near the top. Ohio and Toledo should be as well. I believe all three have distinct advantages over the trash heap that is the rest of MAC.

I would believe those three Ohio school would be solid expansion candidates if the American loses teams. For example, UC gets picked up by a depleted Big XII.

Sometimes I think Miami, Ohio, Toledo, and Marshall should get together and pick six regional schools from the MAC, C-USA, and independents to form a stronger league .

(06-20-2019 07:03 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(06-19-2019 04:20 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Speaking of Miami, here’s an article from an AD journal that ranks the best job in the MAC and Miami is ranked at or near the top in every category. I just don’t get it. That school’s brand as a “public ivy” and success in the leather-helmet era continues to carry this belief that is such a great place to be both athletically and academically

https://athleticdirectoru.com/articles/a...onference/

Compared to the other MAC schools Miami should be at or near the top. Ohio and Toledo should be as well. I believe all three have distinct advantages over the trash heap that is the rest of MAC.

I would believe those three Ohio school would be solid expansion candidates if the American loses teams. For example, UC gets picked up by a depleted Big XII.

Sometimes I think Miami, Ohio, Toledo, and Marshall should get together and pick six regional schools from the MAC, C-USA, and independents to form a stronger league .

The way Aresco and the AAC look at things, Toledo is the only one of the three MAC teams you mentioned that would have a shot to replace UC. Miami and Ohio do not bring a market at all. Toledo isn't a huge market but if we are just talking picking one of Miami, Toldeo, or Ohio, then Toledo would get the nod.

Tulsa and Tulane were added for market.


The only team that was added that did not bring a market was ECU...but they have 50k fans a game in football so I guess that did the trick.

Honestly I wish Tulane, ECU, and Tulsa weren't added to the conference. I think those three adds were knee jerk and short sighted.

This could go in several threads but looks like it was just announced we've scheduled 2 home-and-homes with power 5 schools over the next decade plus a one-off, away trip to Arkansas. There is also a rumor of a home-and-home with another big time SEC school with our home game being at PBS. 2023 is the only year up to 2027 with an OOC open week.

@Arkansas 2022
@NC State 2023, home vs. NC State 2029
home vs. Boston College 2026, @Boston College 2027.

so for those years it's now:
2022
09/03 - at Arkansas
09/17 - Miami (Ohio)
09/24 - Indiana

2023
09/09 - at Pitt
09/16 - Miami (Ohio)
at NC State

2026
09/12 - at Ohio
09/19 - vs Miami (Ohio)
09/26 - WKU
Boston College

2027
09/11 - at Miami (Ohio)
at Boston College

2029
09/08 - at Miami (Ohio)
NC State

(08-26-2019 05:47 PM)dubcat14 Wrote:  This could go in several threads but looks like it was just announced we've scheduled 2 home-and-homes with power 5 schools over the next decade plus a one-off, away trip to Arkansas. There is also a rumor of a home-and-home with another big time SEC school with our home game being at PBS. 2023 is the only year up to 2027 with an OOC open week.

I know Arkansas isn't exactly "big time" but maybe the game at PBS is with Arkansas and hasn't been announced yet due to not having the details hammered out with the Bengals.

At any rate, I don't mind playing at Arkansas because it has a good chance of being a very winnable game. By 2022, they will probably be breaking in yet another new head coach after Chad Morris is canned.

(08-26-2019 07:03 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(08-26-2019 05:47 PM)dubcat14 Wrote:  This could go in several threads but looks like it was just announced we've scheduled 2 home-and-homes with power 5 schools over the next decade plus a one-off, away trip to Arkansas. There is also a rumor of a home-and-home with another big time SEC school with our home game being at PBS. 2023 is the only year up to 2027 with an OOC open week.

I know Arkansas isn't exactly "big time" but maybe the game at PBS is with Arkansas and hasn't been announced yet due to not having the details hammered out with the Bengals.

At any rate, I don't mind playing at Arkansas because it has a good chance of being a very winnable game. By 2022, they will probably be breaking in yet another new head coach after Chad Morris is canned.

The SEC is my favorite football conference outside of our own and any games against them is welcomed from me.

Really liking how the schedule is lining up, aside from our home OOC the next two years.

2019
08/29 - UCLA
09/07 - at Ohio State
09/14 - Miami
09/28 - at Marshall

2020
09/05 - Austin Peay
09/12 - Western Michigan
09/19 - at Miami
09/26 - at Nebraska

2021
09/04 - Miami
09/11 - Murray State
09/18 - at Indiana
10/02 - at Notre Dame

2022
09/03 - at Arkansas
09/17 - vs Miami at PBS
09/24 - Indiana

2023
09/09 - at Pitt
09/16 - Miami
TBA - at NC State

2024
09/07 - Pitt
09/14 - at Miami
09/21 - at Western Michigan
09/28 - at Boise State

2025
09/06 - Miami
09/13 - Nebraska
09/20 - at WKU
09/27 - Boise State

2026
09/12 - at Ohio
09/19 - vs Miami at PBS
09/26 - WKU
TBA - Boston College

2027
09/11 - at Miami
TBA - at Boston College

2028
09/09 - Miami

2029
09/08 - at Miami
TBA - NC State

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Can anyone share thoughts on why we tend to open a home and home on the road? Even the Boise St series starts in Idaho. I believe we opened at BYU as well.

***EDIT***

I'm not bitchin' but we don't have a home game against a P5 until 2022.

Memphis was able to get a 2-for-1 with Arkansas. They just signed it this year.

Unless Arkansas is paying through the ear, I'm not very happy with that game.

I don't care about home and homes...play 'em and beat 'em wherever they want to get beat. We still have a solid future home slate of games, so taking a one off against a beatable "name" is good on me, mainly because they'll be paying us to do it.

(08-26-2019 07:34 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  ^^^^
Can anyone share thoughts on why we tend to open a home and home on the road? Even the Boise St series starts in Idaho. I believe we opened at BYU as well.

***EDIT***

I'm not bitchin' but we don't have a home game against a P5 until 2022.

Frustrating to me as well - it leaves open the possibility of the opponent buying out their road game at Nippert and leaving us with Arkansas Pine-Bluff as a replacement.

Our 2020 and 2021 home OOC schedule is weak, and I’m hoping we can move Austin Peay or Murray State for some better, regional opponent. Even Ohio or Marshall home and home again would be better.

(08-26-2019 07:34 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  ^^^^
Can anyone share thoughts on why we tend to open a home and home on the road? Even the Boise St series starts in Idaho. I believe we opened at BYU as well.

***EDIT***

I'm not bitchin' but we don't have a home game against a P5 until 2022.

So they can buyout the return game?

(08-26-2019 07:37 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Memphis was able to get a 2-for-1 with Arkansas. They just signed it this year.

Unless Arkansas is paying through the ear, I'm not very happy with that game.

I am not ecstatic about a buy game, but if we want to play the SEC it is about all we can get. They don't really play north of the Mason Dixon line and the SEC has the clout to get these buy games.

UK would be the only SEC team I could see giving us a home game if they had the stones to play us. I would also guess that the game would have to be at Paul Brown Stadium to get a deal done.