Dear MAC,
The last three athletic directors at Eastern, were hired by Ohio State, Pittsburgh, and Tulsa. This shows the stupidity of this study on the desirability of athletic directors from Eastern.

(06-13-2019 02:28 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear MAC,
The last three athletic directors at Eastern, were hired by Ohio State, Pittsburgh, and Tulsa. This shows the stupidity of this study on the desirability of athletic directors from Eastern.

Because they bolted at their first chance? Or that they did "so we'll" they got hired away? There is some grey area. Our AD has been at Toledo for 17 years and because of quality of living and job security he hasn't left. He has stayed at Toledo because it's a good job. I bet he has a dream job of a few schools. Maybe ND, Michigan State or whoever. He isn't taking a job at Tulsa...

Dear UofToledoFans,
It doesn't matter whether they bolted or not. The point of the survey was Eastern was a graveyard for athletic directors. If, the schools I mentioned liked what they saw, obviously, they were hired to be in charge of bigger programs.
If, as you say, your athletic director is happy at Toledo, great. That adds nothing to the argument of athletic directors desirability.

My question is - is the list any more scientific than throwing darts at a board?

I still don't get the obsession over Buffalo. The way people talk about them on the Realignment section, you'd think they were a Central Florida or Boise St. I wonder how much opinions will change when UB finishes middle-of-the-pack MAC East again? That being said, I'd probably slot them 5th.

I'd put Northern Illinois, Miami, Toledo, and Ohio as the 'favorites,' not necessarily in that order.

And I do agree it's a crime to rank Eastern Michigan dead last in everything. They've been decent at basketball and have improved to a solid football program, maybe a dark-horse to win the MAC this year. Their non-revenue sports are dominant. The only problem is they've had a lot of budget issues, but 12 in everything? Come on, man.

This list is kind of like a bunch of guys ranking each other on which one Charlize Theron would pick to go out with. It really doesn't matter where you are on that list.

The best thing these 12 programs have going for them is they play in the MAC.

FBS conference. Good cost model. MAC puts a regional talent showcase on for ESPN in November with overlooked players as the B1G has evolved into more of a national conference.

Its a niche product. A highly respected niche product but niche still the same. At this point it has a solid spot in the ranks of the G5.

(06-15-2019 02:03 PM)axeme Wrote:  This list is kind of like a bunch of guys ranking each other on which one Charlize Theron would pick to go out with. It really doesn't matter where you are on that list.

I wanted to get in on the Scarlett Johansson list but I understand the list is closed and a selection was made.

Lucky man, Colin.

(06-10-2019 03:02 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  In the end UB is the only real candidate.

I think this was the point this thread morphed from a discussion of the best gigs in our conference for an athletic director to which school would be the best expansion candidate for a P5 conference.

Weird how that happened.

(06-10-2019 12:16 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear MAC Fans,
This is one of the worst predictions of schools in the MAC that I have seen in years. What were the guidelines for any category? The last five years, ten years? What? Eastern has some of the best performing non-revenue sports of any school in the league, and we are ranked worst? This is total B.S.

It's presented as a survey of 150 AD's and "executive administrators" who are "or could be" in the MAC. So with respect to this ...

(06-15-2019 02:03 PM)axeme Wrote:  This list is kind of like a bunch of guys ranking each other on which one Charlize Theron would pick to go out with. It really doesn't matter where you are on that list.

It may well be that a majority of the 150 people willing to be included in the survey are working at a position where they would jump at a chance at any MAC school, and therefore are still working where they are working because they haven't yet had that chance.

In which case, it'd not even about which one Charlize Theron would pick. It'd a table of schlubs deciding which of the girls over at another table are the hottest, when none of them could get a date with whichever girl they rank the lowest.

(06-18-2019 10:52 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  ... I think this was the point this thread morphed from a discussion of the best gigs in our conference for an athletic director to which school would be the best expansion candidate for a P5 conference.

Weird how that happened.

But one of the eight questions in the survey was:

Quote: Potential to become a ‘Power 5’ AD from each institution

... so it was really lurking in there all along.

(06-18-2019 06:34 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(06-15-2019 02:03 PM)axeme Wrote:  This list is kind of like a bunch of guys ranking each other on which one Charlize Theron would pick to go out with. It really doesn't matter where you are on that list.

I wanted to get in on the Scarlett Johansson list but I understand the list is closed and a selection was made.

Lucky man, I Colin.

List is closed for now but I’ll get tired of her some day and you’ll get another shot.

(06-19-2019 07:18 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(06-10-2019 12:16 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear MAC Fans,
This is one of the worst predictions of schools in the MAC that I have seen in years. What were the guidelines for any category? The last five years, ten years? What? Eastern has some of the best performing non-revenue sports of any school in the league, and we are ranked worst? This is total B.S.

It's presented as a survey of 150 AD's and "executive administrators" who are "or could be" in the MAC. So with respect to this ...

(06-15-2019 02:03 PM)axeme Wrote:  This list is kind of like a bunch of guys ranking each other on which one Charlize Theron would pick to go out with. It really doesn't matter where you are on that list.

It may well be that a majority of the 150 people willing to be included in the survey are working at a position where they would jump at a chance at any MAC school, and therefore are still working where they are working because they haven't yet had that chance.

In which case, it'd not even about which one Charlize Theron would pick. It'd a table of schlubs deciding which of the girls over at another table are the hottest, when none of them could get a date with whichever girl they rank the lowest.

(06-18-2019 10:52 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  ... I think this was the point this thread morphed from a discussion of the best gigs in our conference for an athletic director to which school would be the best expansion candidate for a P5 conference.

Weird how that happened.

But one of the eight questions in the survey was:

Quote: Potential to become a ‘Power 5’ AD from each institution

... so it was really lurking in there all along.

I took that to mean potential for the AD to get hired away by P5 program. There is really no chance any MAC team will ever be invited to a P5 conference.

(06-19-2019 08:24 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  

BruceMcF Wrote:

(06-18-2019 10:52 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  ... I think this was the point this thread morphed from a discussion of the best gigs in our conference for an athletic director to which school would be the best expansion candidate for a P5 conference.

Weird how that happened.

But one of the eight questions in the survey was:

Quote: Potential to become a ‘Power 5’ AD from each institution

... so it was really lurking in there all along.

I took that to mean potential for the AD to get hired away by P5 program.

That is how I read it as well.

Dear Ken Barna,
If you click on the 'REPLY' button directly below the post of who you're responding to, it will quote their post so you don't have to add 'Dear Ken Barna'

(06-19-2019 03:18 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Dear Ken Barna,
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lol

Potential to be a P5 AD: I don't see how this really should play into it. So if you have a decent (not awesome; not bad) AD who stays there a long time -- why would this automatically mean you're worse than one who loses their AD to a P5 after a quickie time-frame, then it takes them years to get a decent one??

I'd take that one and replace it with "ON WAY UP". Buffalo would get #1, but wouldn't be so high on the charts otherwise.

Brand Perception? Buffalo's #1 because they aren't directional? I can't really think that, otherwise Ohio would certainly be #2 or #3, and BGSU wouldn't be so low. I don't see how CMU's "Brand" would be 2 steps up above WMU's.

Donor Support -- WMU has gotten plenty. Pays their HC a LOT due to it. Don't know where this is cumming from.

(06-19-2019 11:16 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  Potential to be a P5 AD: I don't see how this really should play into it. So if you have a decent (not awesome; not bad) AD who stays there a long time -- why would this automatically mean you're worse than one who loses their AD to a P5 after a quickie time-frame, then it takes them years to get a decent one?? ...

... indeed, if this is mostly AD's and other athletic administrators who would aspire to get a MAC position over the one they presently have, "that's a great stepping stone to a P5 job!" is an attitude they would work very hard to hide while seeking the MAC job.

(06-19-2019 08:24 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  

(06-19-2019 07:18 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 10:52 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  ... I think this was the point this thread morphed from a discussion of the best gigs in our conference for an athletic director to which school would be the best expansion candidate for a P5 conference.

Weird how that happened.

But one of the eight questions in the survey was:

Quote: Potential to become a ‘Power 5’ AD from each institution

... so it was really lurking in there all along.

I took that to mean potential for the AD to get hired away by P5 program. There is really no chance any MAC team will ever be invited to a P5 conference.

Sorry, I did not Schadenfreude's comment carefully enough. Yes, the only sense in which "a MAC school" might one day be invited to a P5 conference is if the "former MAC member" UCF gets its ticket punched.

(06-20-2019 07:30 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(06-19-2019 11:16 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  Potential to be a P5 AD: I don't see how this really should play into it. So if you have a decent (not awesome; not bad) AD who stays there a long time -- why would this automatically mean you're worse than one who loses their AD to a P5 after a quickie time-frame, then it takes them years to get a decent one?? ...

... indeed, if this is mostly AD's and other athletic administrators who would aspire to get a MAC position over the one they presently have, "that's a great stepping stone to a P5 job!" is an attitude they would work very hard to hide while seeking the MAC job.

(06-19-2019 08:24 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  

(06-19-2019 07:18 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 10:52 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  ... I think this was the point this thread morphed from a discussion of the best gigs in our conference for an athletic director to which school would be the best expansion candidate for a P5 conference.

Weird how that happened.

But one of the eight questions in the survey was:

Quote: Potential to become a ‘Power 5’ AD from each institution

... so it was really lurking in there all along.

I took that to mean potential for the AD to get hired away by P5 program. There is really no chance any MAC team will ever be invited to a P5 conference.

Sorry, I did not Schadenfreude's comment carefully enough. Yes, the only sense in which "a MAC school" might one day be invited to a P5 conference is if the "former MAC member" UCF gets its ticket punched.

Which doesn't rule out any of the current MAC members someday.

Cincinnati, which also gets tossed around a lot, was in the MAC as well.

Dear Redwingtom,
When I want help from you I know where to find you. If, you do not like the way I respond to comments, don't read them.

(06-19-2019 03:18 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Dear Ken Barna,
If you click on the 'REPLY' button directly below the post of who you're responding to, it will quote their post so you don't have to add 'Dear Ken Barna'

FFS. The man can organize his posts the way he sees fit.