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RE: ACC Revenues increase (Article)
(06-13-2019 11:25 AM)ArQ Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 10:31 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 07:52 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 07:32 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 04:07 PM)Statefan Wrote:  WF will out compete Vandy in the SEC and NW in the Big 10. It's wrong to call Wake a welfare recipient. JF may disagree with me on this, but WF is just more athletically motivated that outsiders realize. They just wont go down the Baylor path.
Disagree about Northwestern. Have you seen what they just opened on the shore of Lake Michigan? NW has played at a pretty high level in FB over the last 15-20 years.

I know XLance and StateFan don't want to hear this, but from a metrics p.o.v, Wake Forest = Cincinnati, not Northwestern.

Absent a better measuring stick: US NEWS rankings
Northwestern #10
Wake Forest #27
Univ. of Cincinnati #147

The better "fit" in addition to Northwestern would be Vanderbilt (#14).

US News ranking is all about academics. The smaller the size of the classroom, the higher the score. The football is on the opposite. The bigger the school population, the better the football program is. That is why private schools like Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Wake Forest and Boston College score higher in academics but perform generally worse on football field. Chance is that you choose a football team from 40,000 students will be better than the one from 4,000 students.

There isn't one school in the ACC with a UG population over 40,000.
Clemson is a small public just like UVa, Georgia Tech and Carolina.
06-13-2019 11:50 AM
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RE: ACC Revenues increase (Article)
(06-13-2019 11:50 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 11:25 AM)ArQ Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 10:31 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 07:52 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 07:32 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Disagree about Northwestern. Have you seen what they just opened on the shore of Lake Michigan? NW has played at a pretty high level in FB over the last 15-20 years.

I know XLance and StateFan don't want to hear this, but from a metrics p.o.v, Wake Forest = Cincinnati, not Northwestern.

Absent a better measuring stick: US NEWS rankings
Northwestern #10
Wake Forest #27
Univ. of Cincinnati #147

The better "fit" in addition to Northwestern would be Vanderbilt (#14).

US News ranking is all about academics. The smaller the size of the classroom, the higher the score. The football is on the opposite. The bigger the school population, the better the football program is. That is why private schools like Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Wake Forest and Boston College score higher in academics but perform generally worse on football field. Chance is that you choose a football team from 40,000 students will be better than the one from 4,000 students.

There isn't one school in the ACC with a UG population over 40,000.
Clemson is a small public just like UVa, Georgia Tech and Carolina.

And just like the University of Alabama.

It's not like the humongous B10 schools are dominating college football! Huge numbers of alums living nearby help fill your stadium but they don't ensure victories.
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RE: ACC Revenues increase (Article)
(06-13-2019 09:39 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 09:20 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 07:52 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 07:32 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 04:07 PM)Statefan Wrote:  WF will out compete Vandy in the SEC and NW in the Big 10. It's wrong to call Wake a welfare recipient. JF may disagree with me on this, but WF is just more athletically motivated that outsiders realize. They just wont go down the Baylor path.
Disagree about Northwestern. Have you seen what they just opened on the shore of Lake Michigan? NW has played at a pretty high level in FB over the last 15-20 years.

I know XLance and StateFan don't want to hear this, but from a metrics p.o.v, Wake Forest = Cincinnati, not Northwestern.

Match the teams to the credentials (between WF, Cincy, Northwestern and Vandy):

School A: 13 bowl games all-time, 2 conference championships, 450-647-33 all-time record

School B: 18 bowl games, 14 conferences titles, 614-589-50 record

School C: 15 Bowl games, 8 conference crowns, 534-659-44 record

School D: 9 Bowls, 14 conference titles, 606-620-50 record.

A. Northwestern
B. Cincy
C. Vandy
D. Wake

Just my guess...no cheating

Thanks for playing...

Answer:

A. WF
B. Cincinnati
C. Northwestern
D. Vandy (0 SEC conference crowns, but 14 from prior conference affiliations in early part of 20th century).
06-14-2019 08:02 AM
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RE: ACC Revenues increase (Article)
Too much negative commentary towards Wake Forest, whether stated, implied or poorly veiled. Wake is a founding member of the ACC. When the ACC had 9 members and were voting on whether to add Va Tech & Miami (and eventually BC), the conference needed 7 yes votes to proceed.

While Wake, with known disadvantages due to its small size especially in football, had many logical reasons to join Duke and UNC with a no vote which would block any expansion, the Deacs' leadership chose to vote yes because and I quote "it is in the best interest of the conference as a whole." In other words, especially when it pertains to football, they thought appropriately for the whole instead of themselves.

Much is made of then-Governor Warner's influence along with UVA President John Casteen (though Warner deserves far more credit as Casteen was just following directions...read linked story below) in getting the Hokies into the ACC. But, let's not forget UVA was only 1 vote. Any of the other 6 members at the time (less Duke and UNC who voted no) could have blocked the Hokies (and/or Miami, BC).

The Southern wing, at the time GT/CLEM/FSU, was always solidly a yes for inclusion of the Hokies and Miami (and BC for that matter). Those are football-first athletic programs that wanted improved FB for the ACC.

UVA was a no to everybody unless VPI&SU was included. So, it really boiled down to NC State and Wake. NC State was a "yes" and deserves credit as well. NCSU is far bigger and has the infrastructure, alumni and student population size, etc., that Wake does not. Same for the Twerps. Though, Wake has a lot of $$$.

Wake had a lot of selfish reasons to block things, but they thought of the bigger picture and for that I admire them. Hopefully, some of the younger fans in the ACC - particularly Hokies - won't ever forget this. Further, I hope they will knock down any disparaging commentary about Wake. The ACC is lucky to have Wake Forest in many many ways.

A good article that doesn't mention Wake but has some good info in it for consumption and reminders... https://www.wralsportsfan.com/virginia-t.../16733003/

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