I would like to have divisions in which there are no fixed crossover opponents. That drops the maximum time between crossover games from every six years to every three and a half years. Schools that want to play non-division opponents every year or two can schedule them OOC. These are some possible OOC schedules for games 9 and 10 using the North-South with Miami in the North.

School..................Game 9.................Game 10

North Carolina...UVa.....................VT / ND / ECU
Duke.................UVa / ECU / ND
NC State............ECU / VT/ ND........South Carolina
Wake Forest......ND / VT / UVa
Clemson............South Carolina.......Auburn / Miami / ND
Georgia Tech.....Georgia.................ND / Auburn / Miami
Florida St...........Miami...................Florida

BC......................Connecticut...........Massachusetts
Syracuse............Rutgers
Pitt....................WVU / Penn St
Louisville...........Kentucky
Virginia..............UNC.......................Duke / ND / Wake
Va Tech..............UNC / NCSU / ND.....P5 / Wake / P5
Miami.................Florida St................ND / Clem / GT

I intended this example to produce OOC games that could fill stadiums and let natural or traditional rivals continue to play each other as often as possible. The divisional alignment appears slightly imbalanced strength wise right now, but those things tend to be cyclical. Clemson might not always be a CFP team even if it looks that way at the moment. But take them out of the equation and the rest are pretty balanced, or could be with the right coaches.

Every school would still have two more OOC games with which to meet their individual scheduling goals, including a possible seven home games a year.

Having three to four distinct geographical areas in a conference is only a bad thing when the conference is forced into two divisions for the major money making sport.

BC vs Pitt
Louisville vs VaTech/Pitt
UVA/VaTech vs Wake/NC State
UNC vs Wake/Clemson
Duke vs NC State/Clemson
GT vs FSU/Wake/NC State
Miami vs Syracuse/BC

That’s just the tip of the iceberg. There is too much being left on the table with two divisions. I would almost prefer rotating quads (although that would most likely mean sacrificing the yearly UNC-UVa bout) to ensure some of these games are played as often as possible. There is just no reason we aren’t cultivating historic and regionals rivalries to build and maintain fan interest. These games are great for TV as well.

As far as optimizing two divisions goes: I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, we need a true zipper with either BC or Syracuse in the Coastal. Shipping Virginia Tech to the Atlantic would do wonders for TV games (vs Louisville, Clemson, and FSU). Pitt would be the only other candidate for a swap.

I think BC for Pitt does the least to rock the boat. BC-Miami and SU-Pitt are played during Rivalry Week. BC-SU and VaTech-Pitt become crossovers. Either that or VaTech-Louisville and UVa-Pitt.

Can't have true quads with only 14 teams, but what you can do is keep 4 and swap the other 3 every 2 seasons:

Atlantic 4: Louisville, BC, NC State, Wake
Coastal 4: UVA, VT, UNC, Duke

Atlantic 3: FSU, Clemson, Syracuse
Coastal 3: Miami, GT, Pitt

This way you get the current Atlantic/Coastal for 2 years, followed by 2 years of this:

Atlantic4 + Coastal3: Louisville, BC, NC State, Wake, Miami, GT, Pitt
Coastal4 + Atlantic3: UVA, VT, UNC, Duke, FSU, Clemson, Syracuse

Featured/enhanced matchups:
Louisville/BC vs Miami/Pitt, NC State/Wake vs GT
UVA/VT/UNC vs. FSU/Clemson, Duke vs. Syracuse

During the 2 "swapped" years let every team play their current crossover opponent from the other "division" (e.g. FSU vs. Miami, Clemson vs. GT, etc.)

Somewhat similar to what the Big Ten is already doing/has done with changing divisional alignment and changing crossover pairings - just a little more juggling.

That should get the ACC through until divisionless scheduling is approved.

Since the composition of the league hasn't changed, I see no reason to assume the members will want to change divisions, no matter how much internet denizens want them to.

For my part, I don't think minor tweaks are called for. If the league's goals change regarding scheduling, my advice would be "go big or go home". That is, I could see stacking a southern division to create a division that compares to the best in the NCAA, even if that means they aren't well balanced competitively. The upside of that is that schools would be paired with the schools they most want to play every year, and the interval between seeing out of division opponents could be dropped from 7 years to 3 1/2 years by doing away with permanent crossovers.

This is how I’d set-up quads. Tobacco and Palm are always the opposite divisions, but rotate two opponents every two years. For instance, UNC would have a home/home with Clemson and FSU, then home/home with GT and Miami.

Tobacco: UNC, Duke, Wake, NC State

Palmetto: Clemson, GT, FSU, Miami


Colonial/Yankee: BC, Syracuse, Pitt

Commonwealth: UVa, VaTech, Louisville

Then you figure in the rotating of these two quads every two years as well. These quads also rotate through games against each other, but it will be staggered, so they’ll see one another more often.

Let’s take BC, for example:

Year 1 home- Virginia away- VaTech
Year 2 home- VaTech away- Louisville
Year 3 home- Louisville away- Virginia

UNC-UVa could be scheduled OOC during the two off years. As could Duke-GT and NCSU-Clemson, if necessary.

When I drew up a seven year rotating schedule with no permanent crossovers and putting all four southern schools in the same division, I was surprised how well it worked out. These were my divisions:

Atlantic:
Miami
Florida State
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Louisville
Pitt
Syracuse

Coastal:
Boston College
Virginia Tech
Virginia
Duke
Wake Forest
North Carolina
NC State

OOC scheduling allows Duke and Georgia Tech to play every year, as well as BC-Pitt and BC-Syracuse. I didn't see any other traditional rivalries that needed to be accommodated. Every school plays every cross-division opponent every three and a half years instead of every six.

GTS' Fine Be Boring See If I Care Even Though Nobody Seriously Objected To My Previous Suggestion Divisionless Alignment:


Permanent Rivals (1 FB, 2 BB, BaseB WS):

Miami: FSU, CU, BC, GT
FSU: Miami, GT, CU, UofL
GT: CU, FSU, Duke, Miami
CU: GT, FSU, Miami, NCST

NCST: UNC, Duke, WF, CU
Duke: UNC, NCST, WF, GT
UNC: NCST, Duke, WF, UVA
WF: UNC, NCST, Duke, VT

UofL: UVA, VT, FSU, Cuse
UVA: VT, UofL, UNC, Pitt
VT: UVA, UofL, WF, Cuse

Pitt: Cuse, BC, UVA, ND
Cuse: BC, Pitt, VT, UofL
BC: Cuse, Pitt, Miami, ND


Everybody else rotates.

(06-07-2019 10:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  This is how I’d set-up quads. Tobacco and Palm are always the opposite divisions, but rotate two opponents every two years. For instance, UNC would have a home/home with Clemson and FSU, then home/home with GT and Miami.

Tobacco: UNC, Duke, Wake, NC State

Palmetto: Clemson, GT, FSU, Miami


Colonial/Yankee: BC, Syracuse, Pitt

Commonwealth: UVa, VaTech, Louisville

Then you figure in the rotating of these two quads every two years as well. These quads also rotate through games against each other, but it will be staggered, so they’ll see one another more often.

Let’s take BC, for example:

Year 1 home- Virginia away- VaTech
Year 2 home- VaTech away- Louisville
Year 3 home- Louisville away- Virginia

UNC-UVa could be scheduled OOC during the two off years. As could Duke-GT and NCSU-Clemson, if necessary.

I used your concept, though with different groups, to see how it would work. Without changing any NCAA rules about CCGs, this plan yielded the following results. Every school would play every other at least every two years. Using OOC games between conference members every intra conference rivalry can accommodated every year. That is, all four NC schools could play each other every year even if they aren't all in the same quad/pod. Duke could also play Ga Tech every year, and BC, Syracuse and Pitt could all play each other. Also FSU-Miami. And accommodating the need for every school to play Notre Dame every third year, in addition to all non-conference rivalries, every school would have room for two home (buy) games every year to insure a 7 game home schedule.

The downside, though, was also listed as a benefit above. Every school would meet at least twice every four years. I'm guessing some schools don't want to play everybody that often.

The biggest downside I see with your original configuration is that one year a school like Va Tech will play all four of the powerful southern schools, and the next year play none of them.

(06-07-2019 10:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  This is how I’d set-up quads. Tobacco and Palm are always the opposite divisions, but rotate two opponents every two years. For instance, UNC would have a home/home with Clemson and FSU, then home/home with GT and Miami.

Tobacco: UNC, Duke, Wake, NC State

Palmetto: Clemson, GT, FSU, Miami


Colonial/Yankee: BC, Syracuse, Pitt

Commonwealth: UVa, VaTech, Louisville

Then you figure in the rotating of these two quads every two years as well. These quads also rotate through games against each other, but it will be staggered, so they’ll see one another more often.

Let’s take BC, for example:

Year 1 home- Virginia away- VaTech
Year 2 home- VaTech away- Louisville
Year 3 home- Louisville away- Virginia

UNC-UVa could be scheduled OOC during the two off years. As could Duke-GT and NCSU-Clemson, if necessary.

I like it.

I liked it so much that I tweaked the scheduling in order to have UNC and UVa play each other every year. In fact in my model every team will have four rivals, as follows ($ denotes an outside pod rival):

UNC: Duke, Wake, NC state, UVA$
Wake: UNC, Duke, NC state, UL$
NC State: UNC, Duke, Wake, VT$
Duke: UNC, Wake, NC state, GT$

VT: UVA, UL, NC state$, Syracuse$
UVA: VT, UL, UNC$, BC$
UL: UVA, VT, Wake$, Pitt$

Clemson: FSU, Miami, GT, Pitt$
FSU: Clemson, Miami, GT, Syracuse$
Miami: Clemson, FSU, GT, BC$
GT: Clemson, FSU, Miami, Duke$

BC: Syracuse, Pitt, UVa$, Miami$
Syracuse: BC, Pitt, VT$, FSU$
Pitt: BC, Syracuse, UL$, Clemson$

For the first two years, Tobacco pod and commonwealth pod will be combined to form a divison and Palmetto and Yankees will team up. For the third and fourth year, Tobacco and Yankees will be in one division and Palmetto and Commonwealth will be in the other. The interdivisonal games for each team will be like:

UNC: 1st year Clemson GT, 2nd FSU Miami, 3rd Clemson UVA 4th FSU UVa
Wake: 1 FSU Miami 2 Clemson GT 3 FSU UL 4 Clemson UL
NC state: 1 FSU Miami 2 Clemson Miami 3 GT VT 4 GT VT
Duke: 1. Clemson GT 2 FSU GT 3 Maimi GT 4 Miami GT

VT: 1. Syracuse BC 2 Syracuse Pitt 3 Syracuse NC State 4 Syracuse NC state
UVa: 1 BC Pitt 2 BC Syracuse 3 BC UNC 4 BC UNC
UL: 1 Pitt Syacuse 2 Pitt BC 3 Pitt Wake 4 Pitt Wake

Clemson: 1 UNC Duke 2 Wake NC state 3 UNC Pitt 4 Wake Pitt
FSU: 1 Wake NC state 2 UNC Duke 3 Wake Syracuse 4 UNC Syracuse
Miami: 1. Wake NC state 2 UNC NC state 3 Duke BC 4 Duke BC
GT: 1. UNC Duke 2 Wake Duke 3 NC state Duke 4 NC state Duke

BC: 1. UVa VT 2 UVA UL 3 UVA Miami 4 UVa Miami
Syracuse: 1. VT UL 2 VT UVa 3 VT FSu 4 VT FSu
Pitt: 1. UL UVa 2 UL VT 3 UL Clemson 4 UL Clemson

To summarize, under this model:

1. Each team has four rivals;
2. Each team plays all the teams at least once in four years;
3. A championship game will continue; and
4. Still only 8 conference games.

How about that? (Somebody please check if I made any errors.)

I like the current set up better than any of these proposals.

(06-09-2019 10:04 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 10:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  This is how I’d set-up quads. Tobacco and Palm are always the opposite divisions, but rotate two opponents every two years. For instance, UNC would have a home/home with Clemson and FSU, then home/home with GT and Miami.

Tobacco: UNC, Duke, Wake, NC State

Palmetto: Clemson, GT, FSU, Miami


Colonial/Yankee: BC, Syracuse, Pitt

Commonwealth: UVa, VaTech, Louisville

Then you figure in the rotating of these two quads every two years as well. These quads also rotate through games against each other, but it will be staggered, so they’ll see one another more often.

Let’s take BC, for example:

Year 1 home- Virginia away- VaTech
Year 2 home- VaTech away- Louisville
Year 3 home- Louisville away- Virginia

UNC-UVa could be scheduled OOC during the two off years. As could Duke-GT and NCSU-Clemson, if necessary.

I like it.

I liked it so much that I tweaked the scheduling in order to have UNC and UVa play each other every year. In fact in my model every team will have four rivals, as follows ($ denotes an outside pod rival):

UNC: Duke, Wake, NC state, UVA$
Wake: UNC, Duke, NC state, UL$
NC State: UNC, Duke, Wake, VT$
Duke: UNC, Wake, NC state, GT$

VT: UVA, UL, NC state$, Syracuse$
UVA: VT, UL, UNC$, BC$
UL: UVA, VT, Wake$, Pitt$

Clemson: FSU, Miami, GT, Pitt$
FSU: Clemson, Miami, GT, Syracuse$
Miami: Clemson, FSU, GT, BC$
GT: Clemson, FSU, Miami, Duke$

BC: Syracuse, Pitt, UVa$, Miami$
Syracuse: BC, Pitt, VT$, FSU$
Pitt: BC, Syracuse, UL$, Clemson$

For the first two years, Tobacco pod and commonwealth pod will be combined to form a divison and Palmetto and Yankees will team up. For the third and fourth year, Tobacco and Yankees will be in one division and Palmetto and Commonwealth will be in the other. The interdivisonal games for each team will be like:

UNC: 1st year Clemson GT, 2nd FSU Miami, 3rd Clemson UVA 4th FSU UVa
Wake: 1 FSU Miami 2 Clemson GT 3 FSU UL 4 Clemson UL
NC state: 1 FSU Miami 2 Clemson Miami 3 GT VT 4 GT VT
Duke: 1. Clemson GT 2 FSU GT 3 Maimi GT 4 Miami GT

VT: 1. Syracuse BC 2 Syracuse Pitt 3 Syracuse NC State 4 Syracuse NC state
UVa: 1 BC Pitt 2 BC Syracuse 3 BC UNC 4 BC UNC
UL: 1 Pitt Syacuse 2 Pitt BC 3 Pitt Wake 4 Pitt Wake

Clemson: 1 UNC Duke 2 Wake NC state 3 UNC Pitt 4 Wake Pitt
FSU: 1 Wake NC state 2 UNC Duke 3 Wake Syracuse 4 UNC Syracuse
Miami: 1. Wake NC state 2 UNC NC state 3 Duke BC 4 Duke BC
GT: 1. UNC Duke 2 Wake Duke 3 NC state Duke 4 NC state Duke

BC: 1. UVa VT 2 UVA UL 3 UVA Miami 4 UVa Miami
Syracuse: 1. VT UL 2 VT UVa 3 VT FSu 4 VT FSu
Pitt: 1. UL UVa 2 UL VT 3 UL Clemson 4 UL Clemson

To summarize, under this model:

1. Each team has four rivals;
2. Each team plays all the teams at least once in four years;
3. A championship game will continue; and
4. Still only 8 conference games.

How about that? (Somebody please check if I made any errors.)

The problem I see is that in years when you combine Palmetto and Commonwealth pods, that's virtually ALL of the ACC football power in one division.

(06-08-2019 07:01 PM)ken d Wrote:  The downside, though, was also listed as a benefit above. Every school would meet at least twice every four years. I'm guessing some schools don't want to play everybody that often.

I suppose that could be an issue, but it really doesn't change for a school like FSU that already plays BC and Syracuse yearly (the extreme northern teams), it would actually make them play less often.

(06-08-2019 07:01 PM)ken d Wrote:  The biggest downside I see with your original configuration is that one year a school like Va Tech will play all four of the powerful southern schools, and the next year play none of them.

Yes, Virginia Tech being one of the six northernmost teams would face the Carolina schools for two years, then the deep south schools two years. The trade-off is they are guaranteed to travel to Florida two years in a row rather than solely Miami every other year, with game in Tallahassee few and far between. Currently, they hardly play FSU and Clemson, and in this setup the Gobblers would see both much more often.

(06-09-2019 10:34 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-09-2019 10:04 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 10:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  This is how I’d set-up quads. Tobacco and Palm are always the opposite divisions, but rotate two opponents every two years. For instance, UNC would have a home/home with Clemson and FSU, then home/home with GT and Miami.

Tobacco: UNC, Duke, Wake, NC State

Palmetto: Clemson, GT, FSU, Miami


Colonial/Yankee: BC, Syracuse, Pitt

Commonwealth: UVa, VaTech, Louisville

Then you figure in the rotating of these two quads every two years as well. These quads also rotate through games against each other, but it will be staggered, so they’ll see one another more often.

Let’s take BC, for example:

Year 1 home- Virginia away- VaTech
Year 2 home- VaTech away- Louisville
Year 3 home- Louisville away- Virginia

UNC-UVa could be scheduled OOC during the two off years. As could Duke-GT and NCSU-Clemson, if necessary.

I like it.

I liked it so much that I tweaked the scheduling in order to have UNC and UVa play each other every year. In fact in my model every team will have four rivals, as follows ($ denotes an outside pod rival):

UNC: Duke, Wake, NC state, UVA$
Wake: UNC, Duke, NC state, UL$
NC State: UNC, Duke, Wake, VT$
Duke: UNC, Wake, NC state, GT$

VT: UVA, UL, NC state$, Syracuse$
UVA: VT, UL, UNC$, BC$
UL: UVA, VT, Wake$, Pitt$

Clemson: FSU, Miami, GT, Pitt$
FSU: Clemson, Miami, GT, Syracuse$
Miami: Clemson, FSU, GT, BC$
GT: Clemson, FSU, Miami, Duke$

BC: Syracuse, Pitt, UVa$, Miami$
Syracuse: BC, Pitt, VT$, FSU$
Pitt: BC, Syracuse, UL$, Clemson$

For the first two years, Tobacco pod and commonwealth pod will be combined to form a divison and Palmetto and Yankees will team up. For the third and fourth year, Tobacco and Yankees will be in one division and Palmetto and Commonwealth will be in the other. The interdivisonal games for each team will be like:

UNC: 1st year Clemson GT, 2nd FSU Miami, 3rd Clemson UVA 4th FSU UVa
Wake: 1 FSU Miami 2 Clemson GT 3 FSU UL 4 Clemson UL
NC state: 1 FSU Miami 2 Clemson Miami 3 GT VT 4 GT VT
Duke: 1. Clemson GT 2 FSU GT 3 Maimi GT 4 Miami GT

VT: 1. Syracuse BC 2 Syracuse Pitt 3 Syracuse NC State 4 Syracuse NC state
UVa: 1 BC Pitt 2 BC Syracuse 3 BC UNC 4 BC UNC
UL: 1 Pitt Syacuse 2 Pitt BC 3 Pitt Wake 4 Pitt Wake

Clemson: 1 UNC Duke 2 Wake NC state 3 UNC Pitt 4 Wake Pitt
FSU: 1 Wake NC state 2 UNC Duke 3 Wake Syracuse 4 UNC Syracuse
Miami: 1. Wake NC state 2 UNC NC state 3 Duke BC 4 Duke BC
GT: 1. UNC Duke 2 Wake Duke 3 NC state Duke 4 NC state Duke

BC: 1. UVa VT 2 UVA UL 3 UVA Miami 4 UVa Miami
Syracuse: 1. VT UL 2 VT UVa 3 VT FSu 4 VT FSu
Pitt: 1. UL UVa 2 UL VT 3 UL Clemson 4 UL Clemson

To summarize, under this model:

1. Each team has four rivals;
2. Each team plays all the teams at least once in four years;
3. A championship game will continue; and
4. Still only 8 conference games.

How about that? (Somebody please check if I made any errors.)

The problem I see is that in years when you combine Palmetto and Commonwealth pods, that's virtually ALL of the ACC football power in one division.

In the words of Green:

MUST SEE TV






FYI: just taking the last six years, Duke, UNC, and Pitt won as many division titles as VaTech, GT, and Miami.

(06-10-2019 07:12 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(06-09-2019 10:34 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-09-2019 10:04 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 10:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  This is how I’d set-up quads. Tobacco and Palm are always the opposite divisions, but rotate two opponents every two years. For instance, UNC would have a home/home with Clemson and FSU, then home/home with GT and Miami.

Tobacco: UNC, Duke, Wake, NC State

Palmetto: Clemson, GT, FSU, Miami


Colonial/Yankee: BC, Syracuse, Pitt

Commonwealth: UVa, VaTech, Louisville

Then you figure in the rotating of these two quads every two years as well. These quads also rotate through games against each other, but it will be staggered, so they’ll see one another more often.

Let’s take BC, for example:

Year 1 home- Virginia away- VaTech
Year 2 home- VaTech away- Louisville
Year 3 home- Louisville away- Virginia

UNC-UVa could be scheduled OOC during the two off years. As could Duke-GT and NCSU-Clemson, if necessary.

I like it.

I liked it so much that I tweaked the scheduling in order to have UNC and UVa play each other every year. In fact in my model every team will have four rivals, as follows ($ denotes an outside pod rival):

UNC: Duke, Wake, NC state, UVA$
Wake: UNC, Duke, NC state, UL$
NC State: UNC, Duke, Wake, VT$
Duke: UNC, Wake, NC state, GT$

VT: UVA, UL, NC state$, Syracuse$
UVA: VT, UL, UNC$, BC$
UL: UVA, VT, Wake$, Pitt$

Clemson: FSU, Miami, GT, Pitt$
FSU: Clemson, Miami, GT, Syracuse$
Miami: Clemson, FSU, GT, BC$
GT: Clemson, FSU, Miami, Duke$

BC: Syracuse, Pitt, UVa$, Miami$
Syracuse: BC, Pitt, VT$, FSU$
Pitt: BC, Syracuse, UL$, Clemson$

For the first two years, Tobacco pod and commonwealth pod will be combined to form a divison and Palmetto and Yankees will team up. For the third and fourth year, Tobacco and Yankees will be in one division and Palmetto and Commonwealth will be in the other. The interdivisonal games for each team will be like:

UNC: 1st year Clemson GT, 2nd FSU Miami, 3rd Clemson UVA 4th FSU UVa
Wake: 1 FSU Miami 2 Clemson GT 3 FSU UL 4 Clemson UL
NC state: 1 FSU Miami 2 Clemson Miami 3 GT VT 4 GT VT
Duke: 1. Clemson GT 2 FSU GT 3 Maimi GT 4 Miami GT

VT: 1. Syracuse BC 2 Syracuse Pitt 3 Syracuse NC State 4 Syracuse NC state
UVa: 1 BC Pitt 2 BC Syracuse 3 BC UNC 4 BC UNC
UL: 1 Pitt Syacuse 2 Pitt BC 3 Pitt Wake 4 Pitt Wake

Clemson: 1 UNC Duke 2 Wake NC state 3 UNC Pitt 4 Wake Pitt
FSU: 1 Wake NC state 2 UNC Duke 3 Wake Syracuse 4 UNC Syracuse
Miami: 1. Wake NC state 2 UNC NC state 3 Duke BC 4 Duke BC
GT: 1. UNC Duke 2 Wake Duke 3 NC state Duke 4 NC state Duke

BC: 1. UVa VT 2 UVA UL 3 UVA Miami 4 UVa Miami
Syracuse: 1. VT UL 2 VT UVa 3 VT FSu 4 VT FSu
Pitt: 1. UL UVa 2 UL VT 3 UL Clemson 4 UL Clemson

To summarize, under this model:

1. Each team has four rivals;
2. Each team plays all the teams at least once in four years;
3. A championship game will continue; and
4. Still only 8 conference games.

How about that? (Somebody please check if I made any errors.)

The problem I see is that in years when you combine Palmetto and Commonwealth pods, that's virtually ALL of the ACC football power in one division.

In the words of Green:

MUST SEE TV






FYI: just taking the last six years, Duke, UNC, and Pitt won as many division titles as VaTech, GT, and Miami.

Under this proposal someone would HAVE to win the division, but that doesn't make them a good team. (You could say much the same about recent Coastal division champs, and yes it's the responsibility of teams like VT to make sure that doesn't happen, dadgumit!)

(06-09-2019 10:04 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  I like it.

I liked it so much that I tweaked the scheduling in order to have UNC and UVa play each other every year. In fact in my model every team will have four rivals, as follows ($ denotes an outside pod rival):

UNC: Duke, Wake, NC state, UVA$
Wake: UNC, Duke, NC state, UL$
NC State: UNC, Duke, Wake, VT$
Duke: UNC, Wake, NC state, GT$

VT: UVA, UL, NC state$, Syracuse$
UVA: VT, UL, UNC$, BC$
UL: UVA, VT, Wake$, Pitt$

Clemson: FSU, Miami, GT, Pitt$
FSU: Clemson, Miami, GT, Syracuse$
Miami: Clemson, FSU, GT, BC$
GT: Clemson, FSU, Miami, Duke$

BC: Syracuse, Pitt, UVa$, Miami$
Syracuse: BC, Pitt, VT$, FSU$
Pitt: BC, Syracuse, UL$, Clemson$

For the first two years, Tobacco pod and commonwealth pod will be combined to form a divison and Palmetto and Yankees will team up. For the third and fourth year, Tobacco and Yankees will be in one division and Palmetto and Commonwealth will be in the other. The interdivisonal games for each team will be like:

UNC: 1st year Clemson GT, 2nd FSU Miami, 3rd Clemson UVA 4th FSU UVa
Wake: 1 FSU Miami 2 Clemson GT 3 FSU UL 4 Clemson UL
NC state: 1 FSU Miami 2 Clemson Miami 3 GT VT 4 GT VT
Duke: 1. Clemson GT 2 FSU GT 3 Maimi GT 4 Miami GT

VT: 1. Syracuse BC 2 Syracuse Pitt 3 Syracuse NC State 4 Syracuse NC state
UVa: 1 BC Pitt 2 BC Syracuse 3 BC UNC 4 BC UNC
UL: 1 Pitt Syacuse 2 Pitt BC 3 Pitt Wake 4 Pitt Wake

Clemson: 1 UNC Duke 2 Wake NC state 3 UNC Pitt 4 Wake Pitt
FSU: 1 Wake NC state 2 UNC Duke 3 Wake Syracuse 4 UNC Syracuse
Miami: 1. Wake NC state 2 UNC NC state 3 Duke BC 4 Duke BC
GT: 1. UNC Duke 2 Wake Duke 3 NC state Duke 4 NC state Duke

BC: 1. UVa VT 2 UVA UL 3 UVA Miami 4 UVa Miami
Syracuse: 1. VT UL 2 VT UVa 3 VT FSu 4 VT FSu
Pitt: 1. UL UVa 2 UL VT 3 UL Clemson 4 UL Clemson

To summarize, under this model:

1. Each team has four rivals;
2. Each team plays all the teams at least once in four years;
3. A championship game will continue; and
4. Still only 8 conference games.

How about that? (Somebody please check if I made any errors.)

I hadn't thought of adding a permanent rival outside the quad, that's interesting and it works well for some teams, but seems frivolous for others (like our current basketball partners).

My first choice would be to scrap divisions altogether, and I think this would be a great starting point for yearly opponents if that were to ever happen.

I think giving the quads a catchy name would allow the fans to remember it easier, something the WAC didn't do.

(06-10-2019 07:15 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-10-2019 07:12 AM)esayem Wrote:  In the words of Green:

MUST SEE TV






FYI: just taking the last six years, Duke, UNC, and Pitt won as many division titles as VaTech, GT, and Miami.

Under this proposal someone would HAVE to win the division, but that doesn't make them a good team. (You could say much the same about recent Coastal division champs, and yes it's the responsibility of teams like VT to make sure that doesn't happen, dadgumit!)

True, but the Atlantic has won the last 8 games anyway!

On the bright side, there would be an over 50% chance a Carolina team would win the division, which would be positive for attendance.

(06-10-2019 07:29 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(06-10-2019 07:15 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-10-2019 07:12 AM)esayem Wrote:  In the words of Green:

MUST SEE TV


FYI: just taking the last six years, Duke, UNC, and Pitt won as many division titles as VaTech, GT, and Miami.

Under this proposal someone would HAVE to win the division, but that doesn't make them a good team. (You could say much the same about recent Coastal division champs, and yes it's the responsibility of teams like VT to make sure that doesn't happen, dadgumit!)

True, but the Atlantic has won the last 8 games anyway!

On the bright side, there would be an over 50% chance a Carolina team would win the division, which would be positive for attendance.

Might be NC State's best chance to win a division...

(06-10-2019 09:22 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-10-2019 07:29 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(06-10-2019 07:15 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-10-2019 07:12 AM)esayem Wrote:  In the words of Green:

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FYI: just taking the last six years, Duke, UNC, and Pitt won as many division titles as VaTech, GT, and Miami.

Under this proposal someone would HAVE to win the division, but that doesn't make them a good team. (You could say much the same about recent Coastal division champs, and yes it's the responsibility of teams like VT to make sure that doesn't happen, dadgumit!)

True, but the Atlantic has won the last 8 games anyway!

On the bright side, there would be an over 50% chance a Carolina team would win the division, which would be positive for attendance.

Might be NC State's best chance to win a division...

(06-10-2019 07:05 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(06-08-2019 07:01 PM)ken d Wrote:  The downside, though, was also listed as a benefit above. Every school would meet at least twice every four years. I'm guessing some schools don't want to play everybody that often.

I suppose that could be an issue, but it really doesn't change for a school like FSU that already plays BC and Syracuse yearly (the extreme northern teams), it would actually make them play less often.

(06-08-2019 07:01 PM)ken d Wrote:  The biggest downside I see with your original configuration is that one year a school like Va Tech will play all four of the powerful southern schools, and the next year play none of them.

Yes, Virginia Tech being one of the six northernmost teams would face the Carolina schools for two years, then the deep south schools two years. The trade-off is they are guaranteed to travel to Florida two years in a row rather than solely Miami every other year, with game in Tallahassee few and far between. Currently, they hardly play FSU and Clemson, and in this setup the Gobblers would see both much more often.

One unintended consequence of this could be fewer ACC teams qualifying for bowls. It could be a real challenge to the five teams each year who would have to play Clemson, FSU, Miami and Ga Tech all in the same season.

The most equitable arrangement I could come up with to maximize the number of annual rivalry games has one four team pod consisting of the pairs of UNC/Clemson and Duke/Ga Tech, and the other one with NC State/Miami and Florida St/Wake Forest. The three team pods (VT/UVa/Ville and Syracuse/Pitt/BC) would alternate between the two four team pods, and the four team pods would alternate their two team pairs.

Filling out a six year schedule (accommodating ND home/away for every school during that period), and including intra-conference OOC games and SEC rivalry games, the following schools would play each other every year.

UNC: Clemson, Duke, Ga Tech, NC State, Virginia, Wake Forest
Clemson: UNC, Duke, Ga Tech, South Carolina, Miami
Duke: UNC, Clemson, Ga Tech, Virginia
Ga Tech: UNC, Clemson, Duke, Florida State, Georgia
Va Tech: Virginia, Louisville, Wake Forest, NC State
Virginia: Va Tech, Louisville, UNC, Duke
Louisville: Va Tech, Virginia, Kentucky
NC State: Miami, Florida State, Wake Forest, UNC, Va Tech
Miami: NC State, Florida State, Wake Forest, Clemson
Florida State: NC State, Miami, Wake Forest, Ga Tech, Florida
Wake Forest: NC State, Miami, Florida State, Va Tech, UNC
Syracuse: Pitt, BC
Pitt: Syracuse, BC
BC: Syracuse, Pitt

Any school you don't play every year, you play at least every other year (and sometimes more often). Because they have the fewest annual opponents, the northeast trio rotate which one gets a second Notre Dame game in each three year cycle.

And, every school can still schedule 7 home games if they want to.