(05-28-2019 09:37 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  

(05-28-2019 01:15 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-28-2019 12:45 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  

(05-27-2019 09:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-27-2019 08:08 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  TCU is a fine university, but it is not a Carnegie 1 research institution. TCU would not be a first tier choice of other P5 conferences.

Houston is in southeast Texas and geographically, makes little sense for the PAC12 unless they are part of a larger cluster moving. Travel, logistics, missing class time, lower-profile sports scheduling, etc. do matter. TTU in west Texas would fit the PAC 12 much better in footprint expansion.

Georgia and Washington could offer some great football games. That doesn't mean they belong in the same conference or Conference USA.

The SEC won't go weird. Maybe the ACC would (a bit).

Obviously the play is for both Texas and Oklahoma, but if we landed OU and we didn't land Texas who makes the most sense for us for the 2nd school? Does Kansas as a blue blood basketball program who only averages 16,000 at home football games? Does Oklahoma State if they aren't required for Oklahoma? Does Texas Tech since they would be an outlier? Does Iowa State another outlier? Does West Virginia which doesn't solve our alignment issues but only exacerbates them? True TCU doesn't meet research metrics but they are adding a medical school and with it most certainly will meet R1 status, they do represent a presence in DFW. They are a viable alternative whether you think they are silly or not.

The SEC was remiss not to have taken a 2nd major school in Florida. I'm not anxious to see that mistake repeated. I wrote as early as 2008 that the market model was a sham that wouldn't last and that content would rule again. It does!

The top 5 earners in the Big 12 are Texas, Oklahoma, T.C.U., Kansas, and WVU.
KState doesn't kick the tires, Iowa State doesn't light the fires, Baylor doesn't fly period. Without Texas there is no incentive to take Tech.

So spell out your reasoning.

I did not refer or imply that TCU consideration would be silly. That was your projection.

I am aware TCU is building a medical school. It may be noted that Wake Forest is not Carnegie 1 research. The have the Bowman Gray schools of Medicine, Dentistry, and Law. They are long established and reputable.

I wish TCU well with this endeavor. It is a positive dimension, but I am not jumping to a conclusion about Carnegie 1 identity prematurely. It happens when it happens if it happens.

On adding a Florida school, I agree. You know the FSU history in entering the ACC, and the Miami consideration around '90.

Miami could be the most apt school willing to leave the ACC for the SEC. If ESPN is so powerful as some espouse, Miami could be lifted from the ACC to the SEC despite the ACC's GoR. It'll take big-time money. The SEC gets their second private school.

Texas and Miami? I like that.

Weird / silly makes little difference. Miami is way down our list and it's appeal has slipped with the demographic shift in South Florida. The SEC doesn't draw well in Miami and their students aren't all that local. But I agree it would at least give us a presence in a different part of that state. I suspect the wiser course of action there is to wait patiently and watch the development of USF over the next couple of decades. Their alumni base will be Floridian and will likely populate the state more than return to the Northeast or West Coast, or go overseas. Their research investment is intentional and the locale will prove more beneficial as it reaches all of the areas that UF doesn't control.

Texas is the most efficient addition. My question to you however was skirted. Who would you select from the Big 12 if Texas isn't among them and Oklahoma is the first choice?

Skirted? I don't fit your mantra.
I'm good.

I asked a question. You didn't answer it. You skirted it. I have no mantra other than the logic of what is financially possible. There are more than a few permutations of that, and some that then slip into fiction. If it doesn't fit someone's world view that's not my problem. But I have only 1 allegiance in this, and that is what is best long term for the SEC. I don't care if the Big 10 misses out. I don't care if the ACC is left behind. And I don't care if the PAC survives. There is no mantra. All of my logic is contained in the numbers pinned in the important threads. Gross Total Revenue, WSJ Valuations of Economic Impact Beyond the Athletic Department, Attendance Averages, and when I can find them Viewing % and ratings.

By those metrics the SEC has 2 prospects from the Big 12: Texas and Oklahoma. If we only land one the metrics of any other school have to be averaged with the school they would be traveling with to determine whether or not they would add to our profile, particularly in revenue.

Outside of Texas and Oklahoma only Florida State based solely on last year's numbers would qualify. Among the schools who might be travel companions for one of the main two Kansas would meet some metrics including revenue but miss badly on others. Ditto for T.C.U., Texas Tech, O.S.U., and W.V.U..

The SEC's only win/win play is OU and UT.

Now if you see it differently then explain your reasoning. If you see a different Big 12 travel companion for Oklahoma as being the best fit tell us who you think that is and why.

What's so hard about that?

Prior to Miami hiring Mark Richt, I remember an UCF telling me that Miami’s attendance was horrible!! When I asked him what could be done to improve it, he said Miami should hire nude samba dancers. And this UCF fan could be could be considered as knowledgeable as JRSEC about UCF, so he had no motivation to flame Miami. Let that sink in. What will happen to Miami attendance when they cannot hire a hot name for a coach?? Does the SEC really want another Vanderbilt that it has no history with whatsoever?? And the region Miami is in identifies more with the Northeast than the Southeast. Sheesh, if we’re looking at Miami, might as well give SMU a call. We can get them quicker and cheaper than we could Miami. I am not a fan of taking Texas or Oklahoma, but if I had to pick between them & Miami, I’d reluctantly go with the aforementioned two. If I had my druthers, I’d be going after Clemson, Florida State, and/or Virginia Tech, but that’s just me.