(05-21-2019 04:32 PM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  

(05-21-2019 04:25 PM)interwebowl Wrote:  It seems to me that we need a new travel agent.

Related to that:

It sounds like the baseball travel budget has been cut and is forcing our guys to take less than the best.

This would never have been allowed under the previous regime, but then the new guy will not stand up to his master.

Maybe this is the reason you don't run Daniel Watson off when he seemed to manage this for years with no hiccups.

Of course, let's not forget that the biggest $ loser football charters flights to Dallas. No seven hour bus rides for that winning group!

That's a bit of a misnomer. The costs of scholarships for 85 guys (which obviously no other sport comes close to) are the only reason why football could be considered the "biggest $ loser". In terms of dollars actually in the door vs. dollars spent/paid to someone other than "Rice University," it's not even close.

True. It's not even close. Football is, by far, the biggest black hole of money on campus.

1. "Cost of attendance" to 85+ players - huge expenditure that goes to individual students, not to "Rice University"

2. The prolific number of assistant coaches + support personnel (over 20 individuals devoted solely to football)

3. Upkeep of the Patterson (used about 95% by football)

4. Travel expenditures not offered to other sports

5. Wasting money on hotel rooms the night before HOME games

This short list is but a tip of the iceberg. The small amount of money garnered from the paltry home attendance doesn't even begin to cover the bottomless pit that is the football budget.

Who hired the bus driver? 4 hours to drive 133 miles. Was the bus driver not from around there?

(05-21-2019 06:22 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(05-21-2019 04:32 PM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  

(05-21-2019 04:25 PM)interwebowl Wrote:  It seems to me that we need a new travel agent.

Related to that:

It sounds like the baseball travel budget has been cut and is forcing our guys to take less than the best.

This would never have been allowed under the previous regime, but then the new guy will not stand up to his master.

Maybe this is the reason you don't run Daniel Watson off when he seemed to manage this for years with no hiccups.

Of course, let's not forget that the biggest $ loser football charters flights to Dallas. No seven hour bus rides for that winning group!

That's a bit of a misnomer. The costs of scholarships for 85 guys (which obviously no other sport comes close to) are the only reason why football could be considered the "biggest $ loser". In terms of dollars actually in the door vs. dollars spent/paid to someone other than "Rice University," it's not even close.

True. It's not even close. Football is, by far, the biggest black hole of money on campus.

1. "Cost of attendance" to 85+ players - huge expenditure that goes to individual students, not to "Rice University"

2. The prolific number of assistant coaches + support personnel (over 20 individuals devoted solely to football)

3. Upkeep of the Patterson (used about 95% by football)

4. Travel expenditures not offered to other sports

5. Wasting money on hotel rooms the night before HOME games

This short list is but a tip of the iceberg. The small amount of money garnered from the paltry home attendance doesn't even begin to cover the bottomless pit that is the football budget.

What’s your point? College athletics “lose” money for all schools with the exception of a handful of P5s. Do you want to shut down all college athletics or just the Rice football program. While we’re at it, let’s look at what the History or English Departments bring in vs. the cost. Maybe you want to shut those down as well?

(05-21-2019 04:44 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(05-21-2019 03:20 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  DH Andrew Dunlap & pitcher Matt Canterino named 1st team All C-USA selections. Canterino also garners Pitcher of the Year honors.

SS Trei Cruz & pitcher Evan Kravetz named second team All C-USA.

Canterino will also take the mound for Rice’s postseason opener vs S. Miss on Wed.

(Chronicle tweet from an hour ago)

Are we absolutely sure Kravetz is healthy?

I think that's a very legit question at this point. Given USM's heavily left-hand laden lineup and the way Kravetz dominated it a couple weeks back, one would think Evan would get the call tomorrow if healthy, and not Canterino, especially since Evan didn't pitch last week.

Quote:Glynn Hill
‏@RiceChron
1h1 hour ago
More Glynn Hill Retweeted Walter Greenberg
For anyone who was curious, Bragga opted to rest Kravetz after the team clinched its spot in the postseason. He’s healthy & available for the C-USA Tournament.

Really strange then that he's not the starting pitcher against USM tomnorrow. Certainly no knock on the CUSA POY, but Evan not only is more rested, but he matches up MUCH better against USM's very heavily left-handed laden lineup. (If I recall correctly, they only have two right-handed batters in their everyday lineup.) What's more, Evan dominated them a couple weeks back, whereas Matt stuggled a bit against them, albeit with very little run support....and then the bullpen blew the game wide open.

(05-21-2019 06:22 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(05-21-2019 04:32 PM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  

(05-21-2019 04:25 PM)interwebowl Wrote:  It seems to me that we need a new travel agent.

Related to that:

It sounds like the baseball travel budget has been cut and is forcing our guys to take less than the best.

This would never have been allowed under the previous regime, but then the new guy will not stand up to his master.

Maybe this is the reason you don't run Daniel Watson off when he seemed to manage this for years with no hiccups.

Of course, let's not forget that the biggest $ loser football charters flights to Dallas. No seven hour bus rides for that winning group!

That's a bit of a misnomer. The costs of scholarships for 85 guys (which obviously no other sport comes close to) are the only reason why football could be considered the "biggest $ loser". In terms of dollars actually in the door vs. dollars spent/paid to someone other than "Rice University," it's not even close.

True. It's not even close. Football is, by far, the biggest black hole of money on campus.

1. "Cost of attendance" to 85+ players - huge expenditure that goes to individual students, not to "Rice University"

2. The prolific number of assistant coaches + support personnel (over 20 individuals devoted solely to football)

3. Upkeep of the Patterson (used about 95% by football)

4. Travel expenditures not offered to other sports

5. Wasting money on hotel rooms the night before HOME games

This short list is but a tip of the iceberg. The small amount of money garnered from the paltry home attendance doesn't even begin to cover the bottomless pit that is the football budget.

You are only looking at one half of the equation. We bring in more dollars from one “bodybag” football game against Texas, A&M, or LSU than we could ever hope to from most of our sports. Not to mention TV money (which albeit has been dwindling on the sinking ship C-USA) or large football-centric donors. It’s pretty tough to operate without actual dollars coming in the door.

Edit: Sorry to have sidetracked this thread. Carry on baseball conversation. Go Owls.

(05-21-2019 09:12 AM)Throwing Chade Wrote:  Remember when we could lose the conference tournament and still host regionals? Good times.

I remember even further back than that, when we just didn’t lose the tourney ever. It was so much fun for the other teams (not) that they stopped having the tournament altogether.

(05-21-2019 06:48 PM)Owl Is In Chains Wrote:  Who hired the bus driver? 4 hours to drive 133 miles. Was the bus driver not from around there?

There is no interstate to get from where Huntington is to Columbus (or to Cincinnati, which is about the same distance). It's about 2-1/2 hours in perfect conditions. I've driven those roads, and the US route you use is generally straight, but it isn't exactly flat either (like driving in most of Texas - I think about the trips I used to take to Baylor). And towns along the way like to slow you down in their jurisdiction. You're not going to average much over 60.

That said, there could be some padding for loading the bus and waiting to get underway, or any number of other things. Like the bus with no AC struggled on the uphills because of a bad engine. Or any other number of reasons we can ascribe to the type of bad maintenance that would provide a bus with broken AC.

Have we gotten confirmation that Canterino is starting today?

(05-22-2019 09:08 AM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  Have we gotten confirmation that Canterino is starting today?

See above post and confirmation from Glynn Hill of the Chronicle.

(05-21-2019 03:42 PM)mrbig Wrote:  Are bus rentals really so expensive that the athletic department couldn't spring for another rental with working AC? Understandable for the 1st ride since they didn't know in advance, but did they really make the team ride the same bus with the broken AC on the return? Pretty sad.

How hot can it be in WV in March? It's Spring. Maybe 80 degrees? No humidity. They can handle it for a day.

(05-22-2019 09:47 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(05-21-2019 03:42 PM)mrbig Wrote:  Are bus rentals really so expensive that the athletic department couldn't spring for another rental with working AC? Understandable for the 1st ride since they didn't know in advance, but did they really make the team ride the same bus with the broken AC on the return? Pretty sad.

How hot can it be in WV in March? It's Spring. Maybe 80 degrees? No humidity. They can handle it for a day.

That's the problem, if someone from Houston thought in those terms. It can get to 90 and humid in WV, even in May. Thursday was okay, near historical average, with a high of 77, but it hit 85 on Friday and 87 on Saturday - with noticeable humidity and clear skies. It may not be Houston bad, but I can virtually guarantee it wasn't pleasant for the players, coaches, or fans.

And imagine a bus with a broken AC, sitting in the parking lot during the game. Can't be pleasant to come back to, much less ride in back to the airport. If anyone supporting the team was thinking - oh, how bad can it be in WV this time of year? it's got mountains and cool spring air - well, there's a perfect case study.

(05-22-2019 10:06 AM)gsloth Wrote:  

(05-22-2019 09:47 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(05-21-2019 03:42 PM)mrbig Wrote:  Are bus rentals really so expensive that the athletic department couldn't spring for another rental with working AC? Understandable for the 1st ride since they didn't know in advance, but did they really make the team ride the same bus with the broken AC on the return? Pretty sad.

How hot can it be in WV in March? It's Spring. Maybe 80 degrees? No humidity. They can handle it for a day.

That's the problem, if someone from Houston thought in those terms. It can get to 90 and humid in WV, even in May. Thursday was okay, near historical average, with a high of 77, but it hit 85 on Friday and 87 on Saturday - with noticeable humidity and clear skies. It may not be Houston bad, but I can virtually guarantee it wasn't pleasant for the players, coaches, or fans.

And imagine a bus with a broken AC, sitting in the parking lot during the game. Can't be pleasant to come back to, much less ride in back to the airport. If anyone supporting the team was thinking - oh, how bad can it be in WV this time of year? it's got mountains and cool spring air - well, there's a perfect case study.

So basically are the Cleveland Indians of Major League.

Football gets treated like royalty despite the mediocre product.

The RBI club takeover is sad. It was one of the absolute best things about the program.

I can remember an occasion when the then athletic director and football coach (who amassed 4, 0, 3, and 5 wins in his four seasons) fired the coach of the then #2 ranked tennis team in the nation because he used too big a van to drive the team to College Station for a dual match, and the smaller one he should have taken instead got 1.5 more miles to the gallon. The fact that nobody could find the keys to the smaller van was not considered justification. Fortunately, cooler heads in the department prevailed, and the firing was retracted.

Looks like the early game will push the start time for ours back.

LaTech ties Marshall in b9 with three walks and a hit batter. We're not the only team with closer issues.

Marshall wins in 12. Rice-USM at about 2:45

Sounds like Marshall had LaTech right where they wanted them.

(05-22-2019 11:37 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I can remember an occasion when the then athletic director and football coach (who amassed 4, 0, 3, and 5 wins in his four seasons) fired the coach of the then #2 ranked tennis team in the nation because he used too big a van to drive the team to College Station for a dual match, and the smaller one he should have taken instead got 1.5 more miles to the gallon. The fact that nobody could find the keys to the smaller van was not considered justification. Fortunately, cooler heads in the department prevailed, and the firing was retracted.

FYI, If you’re keeping track at home, that 12 wins in four seasons to which you refer is one more than Rice can claim in our four most recent seasons.

(05-22-2019 07:34 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(05-22-2019 11:37 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I can remember an occasion when the then athletic director and football coach (who amassed 4, 0, 3, and 5 wins in his four seasons) fired the coach of the then #2 ranked tennis team in the nation because he used too big a van to drive the team to College Station for a dual match, and the smaller one he should have taken instead got 1.5 more miles to the gallon. The fact that nobody could find the keys to the smaller van was not considered justification. Fortunately, cooler heads in the department prevailed, and the firing was retracted.

FYI, If you’re keeping track at home, that 12 wins in four seasons to which you refer is one more than Rice can claim in our four most recent seasons.

And those were 10 game seasons too. And there was a tie in there as well, so the record was 12-27-1, compared to 11-37 in the latter period you reference.