Agreed. Largest revenue gap ever and it isn't close......SEC/B1G will eat whatever they choose. I don't think they pick many though. Maybe OU/Texas. Not many others.

Gonna be a Big East type world for the left overs. Revenue gaps change everything. Only a matter of time now.

(05-25-2019 06:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-25-2019 04:35 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  Based on these numbers would it really be that surprising to see realignment start up again in 3 years announcement wise? Don’t see why they couldn’t take whatever Big 12 teams they want given the numbers, if they do in fact want Big 12 teams.

The B1G gets a new TV deal in 2023 so for the best deal possible would they not tell the networks which Big 12 teams would be coming over in 2025 once that league’s GOR runs out? This stuff gets announced years in advance sometimes. Navy joined the Big East/AAC 4 whole years after we knew they’d be there.

I feel like the prevailing belief is that we won’t see anything until the 2025 offseason but I actually think we could get concrete stuff starting to come in 3 offseason from now.

Edit:

Never-mind apparently the overlords were already aware.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...-shuffling

1. I expect serious conversations with prospective parties to begin around 2021, but behind the scenes due to GOR stipulations. I look for key Big 12 schools to be involved and perhaps a couple of non-core PAC schools.

2. The SEC will have a new T1 contract prior to 2023 and the old contract for 55 million which is 15 years old is expected to at least be 275 million (58.3 million per school per year) and possibly over 300, (61 million range).

If these kinds of numbers are indeed realized the revenue gaps between the SEC/B1G and everyone else will be massive.

Should either the SEC or Big 10 add either or both of Oklahoma and Texas the difference in essence will be insurmountable.

So yeah, interesting times ahead.

IMO, the ACC should be trying to figure out how to offer a 5 team division to the Big 12 and move to 20 with N.D. to agree to come in when contracts permit. It's the only way to circumvent what likely will either happen for SEC or Big 10, or both by 2025.

I used to think 12 was the max for a conference then I though 16 was the max for a conference and now I just think it’s totally dependent on the $. Going to be interesting for sure.

I think you see the SEC/B1G add a few select (VERY few) teams and there will be a P2.

It will be bad for college athletics (especially on the west coast), but I think the gap is so massive we are almost already there.

(05-25-2019 06:43 PM)nole Wrote:  Agreed. Largest revenue gap ever and it isn't close......SEC/B1G will eat whatever they choose. I don't think they pick many though. Maybe OU/Texas. Not many others.

Gonna be a Big East type world for the left overs. Revenue gaps change everything. Only a matter of time now.

Texas doesn't have a strong financial incentive to join BIG/SEC as it has the LHN, which generates a lot of money for UT.

(05-26-2019 10:18 AM)nole Wrote:  I think you see the SEC/B1G add a few select (VERY few) teams and there will be a P2.

It will be bad for college athletics (especially on the west coast), but I think the gap is so massive we are almost already there.

West Coast college athletics are already bleh tbh but I agree that’s where we’re heading. I’m pretty confident we’ll be able to keep the ACC a great league even if worst case we end up losing 4-6 somewhere down the line to the B1G or SEC money lure.

Looking forward to the ACC Network and where that puts us, thankful we have a GOR for stability as well.

(05-26-2019 12:42 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(05-25-2019 06:43 PM)nole Wrote:  Agreed. Largest revenue gap ever and it isn't close......SEC/B1G will eat whatever they choose. I don't think they pick many though. Maybe OU/Texas. Not many others.

Gonna be a Big East type world for the left overs. Revenue gaps change everything. Only a matter of time now.

Texas doesn't have a strong financial incentive to join BIG/SEC as it has the LHN, which generates a lot of money for UT.

It isn't just about Texas.

IF the revenue gaps stay at $20 Million plus (or grow), there are many options:

B1G: Tex, Oklahoma, Ga Tech, UNC, UVA, Southern Cal
SEC: Tex. OK, UNC, UVA

Multple options. But with these revenue gaps, somebody is going to crack and when it happens, others will follow. Realignment will be back, likely uglier because there is only a P2 now. Fewer seats on the lifeboats of the titanic.

But status quo won't happen. 2024 with some TV contract renewals will be the time.

(05-26-2019 02:22 PM)nole Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 12:42 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(05-25-2019 06:43 PM)nole Wrote:  Agreed. Largest revenue gap ever and it isn't close......SEC/B1G will eat whatever they choose. I don't think they pick many though. Maybe OU/Texas. Not many others.

Gonna be a Big East type world for the left overs. Revenue gaps change everything. Only a matter of time now.

Texas doesn't have a strong financial incentive to join BIG/SEC as it has the LHN, which generates a lot of money for UT.

It isn't just about Texas.

IF the revenue gaps stay at $20 Million plus (or grow), there are many options:

B1G: Tex, Oklahoma, Ga Tech, UNC, UVA, Southern Cal
SEC: Tex. OK, UNC, UVA

Multple options. But with these revenue gaps, somebody is going to crack and when it happens, others will follow. Realignment will be back, likely uglier because there is only a P2 now. Fewer seats on the lifeboats of the titanic.

But status quo won't happen. 2024 with some TV contract renewals will be the time.

So what is the deal with the GOR? Could schools actually get out of it if they were motivated? I feel like I’ve heard a school could take the GOR to court and win fairly easily but I have no idea if that’s based in reality or not.

Obviously that would only happen if the ACC Network outright flopped or the B1G and SEC keep pulling away but I’m still curious if it’s airtight or not.

(05-26-2019 02:32 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 02:22 PM)nole Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 12:42 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(05-25-2019 06:43 PM)nole Wrote:  Agreed. Largest revenue gap ever and it isn't close......SEC/B1G will eat whatever they choose. I don't think they pick many though. Maybe OU/Texas. Not many others.

Gonna be a Big East type world for the left overs. Revenue gaps change everything. Only a matter of time now.

Texas doesn't have a strong financial incentive to join BIG/SEC as it has the LHN, which generates a lot of money for UT.

It isn't just about Texas.

IF the revenue gaps stay at $20 Million plus (or grow), there are many options:

B1G: Tex, Oklahoma, Ga Tech, UNC, UVA, Southern Cal
SEC: Tex. OK, UNC, UVA

Multple options. But with these revenue gaps, somebody is going to crack and when it happens, others will follow. Realignment will be back, likely uglier because there is only a P2 now. Fewer seats on the lifeboats of the titanic.

But status quo won't happen. 2024 with some TV contract renewals will be the time.

So what is the deal with the GOR? Could schools actually get out of it if they were motivated? I feel like I’ve heard a school could take the GOR to court and win fairly easily but I have no idea if that’s based in reality or not.

Obviously that would only happen if the ACC Network outright flopped or the B1G and SEC keep pulling away but I’m still curious if it’s airtight or not.

The GoR is probably pretty strong for PRIVATE schools, but there is one theory which says that STATE schools may not really have the authority to sign such agreements. To my knowledge that idea has never been tested, though.

(05-26-2019 02:32 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 02:22 PM)nole Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 12:42 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(05-25-2019 06:43 PM)nole Wrote:  Agreed. Largest revenue gap ever and it isn't close......SEC/B1G will eat whatever they choose. I don't think they pick many though. Maybe OU/Texas. Not many others.

Gonna be a Big East type world for the left overs. Revenue gaps change everything. Only a matter of time now.

Texas doesn't have a strong financial incentive to join BIG/SEC as it has the LHN, which generates a lot of money for UT.

It isn't just about Texas.

IF the revenue gaps stay at $20 Million plus (or grow), there are many options:

B1G: Tex, Oklahoma, Ga Tech, UNC, UVA, Southern Cal
SEC: Tex. OK, UNC, UVA

Multple options. But with these revenue gaps, somebody is going to crack and when it happens, others will follow. Realignment will be back, likely uglier because there is only a P2 now. Fewer seats on the lifeboats of the titanic.

But status quo won't happen. 2024 with some TV contract renewals will be the time.

So what is the deal with the GOR? Could schools actually get out of it if they were motivated? I feel like I’ve heard a school could take the GOR to court and win fairly easily but I have no idea if that’s based in reality or not.

Obviously that would only happen if the ACC Network outright flopped or the B1G and SEC keep pulling away but I’m still curious if it’s airtight or not.

Big 12's GOR expires in 2025. Tex/OU can announce in or before 2023 their intent to join SEC/BIG in 2025. The media deal will increase the payout to SEC/BIG accordingly starting in 2025. I don't think anyone would take a risk to take the GOR to the court.

(05-26-2019 04:43 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 02:32 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 02:22 PM)nole Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 12:42 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(05-25-2019 06:43 PM)nole Wrote:  Agreed. Largest revenue gap ever and it isn't close......SEC/B1G will eat whatever they choose. I don't think they pick many though. Maybe OU/Texas. Not many others.

Gonna be a Big East type world for the left overs. Revenue gaps change everything. Only a matter of time now.

Texas doesn't have a strong financial incentive to join BIG/SEC as it has the LHN, which generates a lot of money for UT.

It isn't just about Texas.

IF the revenue gaps stay at $20 Million plus (or grow), there are many options:

B1G: Tex, Oklahoma, Ga Tech, UNC, UVA, Southern Cal
SEC: Tex. OK, UNC, UVA

Multple options. But with these revenue gaps, somebody is going to crack and when it happens, others will follow. Realignment will be back, likely uglier because there is only a P2 now. Fewer seats on the lifeboats of the titanic.

But status quo won't happen. 2024 with some TV contract renewals will be the time.

So what is the deal with the GOR? Could schools actually get out of it if they were motivated? I feel like I’ve heard a school could take the GOR to court and win fairly easily but I have no idea if that’s based in reality or not.

Obviously that would only happen if the ACC Network outright flopped or the B1G and SEC keep pulling away but I’m still curious if it’s airtight or not.

The GoR is probably pretty strong for PRIVATE schools, but there is one theory which says that STATE schools may not really have the authority to sign such agreements. To my knowledge that idea has never been tested, though.

Gotcha yes that is what I believe I had heard.

(05-26-2019 05:59 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 02:32 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 02:22 PM)nole Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 12:42 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(05-25-2019 06:43 PM)nole Wrote:  Agreed. Largest revenue gap ever and it isn't close......SEC/B1G will eat whatever they choose. I don't think they pick many though. Maybe OU/Texas. Not many others.

Gonna be a Big East type world for the left overs. Revenue gaps change everything. Only a matter of time now.

Texas doesn't have a strong financial incentive to join BIG/SEC as it has the LHN, which generates a lot of money for UT.

It isn't just about Texas.

IF the revenue gaps stay at $20 Million plus (or grow), there are many options:

B1G: Tex, Oklahoma, Ga Tech, UNC, UVA, Southern Cal
SEC: Tex. OK, UNC, UVA

Multple options. But with these revenue gaps, somebody is going to crack and when it happens, others will follow. Realignment will be back, likely uglier because there is only a P2 now. Fewer seats on the lifeboats of the titanic.

But status quo won't happen. 2024 with some TV contract renewals will be the time.

So what is the deal with the GOR? Could schools actually get out of it if they were motivated? I feel like I’ve heard a school could take the GOR to court and win fairly easily but I have no idea if that’s based in reality or not.

Obviously that would only happen if the ACC Network outright flopped or the B1G and SEC keep pulling away but I’m still curious if it’s airtight or not.

Big 12's GOR expires in 2025. Tex/OU can announce in or before 2023 their intent to join SEC/BIG in 2025. The media deal will increase the payout to SEC/BIG accordingly starting in 2025. I don't think anyone would take a risk to take the GOR to the court.

The Big 12 situation is different because no school has any reason to challenge it since they’re all better off where they are at the moment and it ends around when movement would take place anyway.

I had heard schools like UVA, UNC could easily get around the ACC GOR and into another conference if they did in fact ever want too. Which is why I asked, just curious not predicting anything.

UVA and UNC are committed to the ACC. They aren't going anywhere. Just like Clemson, FSU, and Ga Tech. All 15 members are committed to the ACC. 6 of the last 11 MBB championships include programs now in the ACC (and 4 different ones). 3 of the last 6 FB championships include ACC programs (including 2 different ones). The ACC is in a position of power, especially with the new network coming on board. Talk of exits and such are just silly.

(05-26-2019 06:50 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  UVA and UNC are committed to the ACC. They aren't going anywhere. Just like Clemson, FSU, and Ga Tech. All 15 members are committed to the ACC. 6 of the last 11 MBB championships include programs now in the ACC (and 4 different ones). 3 of the last 6 FB championships include ACC programs (including 2 different ones). The ACC is in a position of power, especially with the new network coming on board. Talk of exits and such are just silly.

I wish I could give you 10 rep points for this post. But I have to settle for 3.

(05-26-2019 06:27 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 05:59 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 02:32 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 02:22 PM)nole Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 12:42 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  Texas doesn't have a strong financial incentive to join BIG/SEC as it has the LHN, which generates a lot of money for UT.

It isn't just about Texas.

IF the revenue gaps stay at $20 Million plus (or grow), there are many options:

B1G: Tex, Oklahoma, Ga Tech, UNC, UVA, Southern Cal
SEC: Tex. OK, UNC, UVA

Multple options. But with these revenue gaps, somebody is going to crack and when it happens, others will follow. Realignment will be back, likely uglier because there is only a P2 now. Fewer seats on the lifeboats of the titanic.

But status quo won't happen. 2024 with some TV contract renewals will be the time.

So what is the deal with the GOR? Could schools actually get out of it if they were motivated? I feel like I’ve heard a school could take the GOR to court and win fairly easily but I have no idea if that’s based in reality or not.

Obviously that would only happen if the ACC Network outright flopped or the B1G and SEC keep pulling away but I’m still curious if it’s airtight or not.

Big 12's GOR expires in 2025. Tex/OU can announce in or before 2023 their intent to join SEC/BIG in 2025. The media deal will increase the payout to SEC/BIG accordingly starting in 2025. I don't think anyone would take a risk to take the GOR to the court.

The Big 12 situation is different because no school has any reason to challenge it since they’re all better off where they are at the moment and it ends around when movement would take place anyway.

I had heard schools like UVA, UNC could easily get around the ACC GOR and into another conference if they did in fact ever want too. Which is why I asked, just curious not predicting anything.

Nobody in the ACC is leaving. Trying to get around the GOR is a risky business. I just don't see UNC or UVa trying to challenge the GOR to join another conference.

It's real simple. With no expansion at all the Big 10 will be sitting at 54 million a year plus escalators with another contract renewal in 2024. The SEC will be sitting at 58 million (possibly a bit more) when the new T1 contract is announced.

If either of them attract Texas and/or Oklahoma it goes up roughly 5 million in value for each one they land (content and market values baked in).

The ACCN will likely payout about 3 million per school the first year and based on your current viewer numbers max out around 7 million plus escalators within a few years following. That would put the ACC in the low 40's while both the SEC and Big 10 will be pushing 60 million.

So if OU which is making around 41-2 currently, or Texas which is making around 51 currently see where their presence in another conference could net the a 20 million a year gain (Oklahoma) or a 13 million a year gain (Texas) then that gap grows to over 20 million with no more game changing pieces on the board.

I don't think the ACC will be poachable until 2035 but if the revenue gap is over 20 million at that time anything becomes possible, especially with state and federal funds continually getting harder to get.

So 2025 won't impact the ACC now. But it might very well impact the ACC in another 10 years following.

Football championships are largely due to Jimbo Fisher and Dabo and Clemson and F.S.U.'s sports objectives being football first. UNC and UVa will hold academic value for the Big 10 and market significance for the Big 10. Likewise their value is the same for the SEC, but with the SEC Virginia Tech might actually be of a bit more potential value than Virginia.

When Nole talks about a select few schools he's really talking about F.S.U., Clemson, North Carolina and Virginia/Virginia Tech. Georgia Tech not so much for either the SEC or Big 10. In 2012 GaTech would have held much more value market wise than today. N.C. State isn't the prize in North Carolina. Duke would be preferable to the academically minded Big 10.

So really there are 4 ACC schools that would be of interest to the Big 10 and 5 of interest to the SEC.

It's why I stated earlier the trick would be for the ACC to try to move to 20 by taking 5 from the Big 12 and cherry picking them at that. UT / OU / KU / and likely OSU and TTU as the cost.

That move adds catch up value to the ACC and denies the Big 10 and SEC the ability to really widen the gap dramatically while leaving no school of particular value to either the PAC or ACC.

That's the ball game. If the SEC and Big 10 add the cream of the Big 12 its game over for the P5, P4, and P3 and what Nole has predicted is the likely outcome. I figure for competitive reasons more of a P2 of 24 teams each rather than a P2 of 20 teams each.

I don't see the PAC being positioned or financed in a manner to be able to pull off a coup of the Texa-homa sized plan in 2011. The ACC is better positioned, but also not in quite the financial position to lure Texas or Oklahoma. But by creating a division and taking little brothers too you might be positioned to strike a bargain even at less of a financial windfall and in so doing prevent what is certain to be the creation of a insurmountable gap.

(05-26-2019 11:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  It's real simple. With no expansion at all the Big 10 will be sitting at 54 million a year plus escalators with another contract renewal in 2024. The SEC will be sitting at 58 million (possibly a bit more) when the new T1 contract is announced.

If either of them attract Texas and/or Oklahoma it goes up roughly 5 million in value for each one they land (content and market values baked in).

The ACCN will likely payout about 3 million per school the first year and based on your current viewer numbers max out around 7 million plus escalators within a few years following. That would put the ACC in the low 40's while both the SEC and Big 10 will be pushing 60 million.

So if OU which is making around 41-2 currently, or Texas which is making around 51 currently see where their presence in another conference could net the a 20 million a year gain (Oklahoma) or a 13 million a year gain (Texas) then that gap grows to over 20 million with no more game changing pieces on the board.

I don't think the ACC will be poachable until 2035 but if the revenue gap is over 20 million at that time anything becomes possible, especially with state and federal funds continually getting harder to get.

So 2025 won't impact the ACC now. But it might very well impact the ACC in another 10 years following.

Football championships are largely due to Jimbo Fisher and Dabo and Clemson and F.S.U.'s sports objectives being football first. UNC and UVa will hold academic value for the Big 10 and market significance for the Big 10. Likewise their value is the same for the SEC, but with the SEC Virginia Tech might actually be of a bit more potential value than Virginia.

When Nole talks about a select few schools he's really talking about F.S.U., Clemson, North Carolina and Virginia/Virginia Tech. Georgia Tech not so much for either the SEC or Big 10. In 2012 GaTech would have held much more value market wise than today. N.C. State isn't the prize in North Carolina. Duke would be preferable to the academically minded Big 10.

So really there are 4 ACC schools that would be of interest to the Big 10 and 5 of interest to the SEC.

It's why I stated earlier the trick would be for the ACC to try to move to 20 by taking 5 from the Big 12 and cherry picking them at that. UT / OU / KU / and likely OSU and TTU as the cost.

That move adds catch up value to the ACC and denies the Big 10 and SEC the ability to really widen the gap dramatically while leaving no school of particular value to either the PAC or ACC.

That's the ball game. If the SEC and Big 10 add the cream of the Big 12 its game over for the P5, P4, and P3 and what Nole has predicted is the likely outcome. I figure for competitive reasons more of a P2 of 24 teams each rather than a P2 of 20 teams each.

I don't see the PAC being positioned or financed in a manner to be able to pull off a coup of the Texa-homa sized plan in 2011. The ACC is better positioned, but also not in quite the financial position to lure Texas or Oklahoma. But by creating a division and taking little brothers too you might be positioned to strike a bargain even at less of a financial windfall and in so doing prevent what is certain to be the creation of a insurmountable gap.

Your numbers are, as usual, all over the place JR.
TEXAS and Oklahoma are now up to 5 million each when for years it's been 2.5. The ACCN only earning 3 million the first year when the FSU AD predicted 15 (the truth is probably somewhere in between) .
The ACC will survive and thrive if ESPN deems it their most profitable route to take.

Let's look at a fact that is relevant: FOX has bailed on the Big 12. ESPN bought 3 championship game broadcasts and the T3 (six seasons/8 schools) content (which they will move to ESPN+) for $40 million and there is no chatter about the renewal of the Big 12's T1 and T2 contracts at all.

If ESPN wants the ACC to work, they can promote it into success (as long as there is successful product, which the ACC has delivered in spades).
Why would they want the ACC to be successful? Leverage against other conferences from becoming too powerful and demanding and ESPN is obligated to pay the ACC a lot of money for the next 15 years. No smart businessman wants dead inventory that becomes an expense rather than an asset (the Mouse is smart, we aren't worried).

I think many SEC and B1G fans are missing the big picture... if a $20M/year gap does get locked in, and if the number of viable teams is reduced to, say 32 to 40 teams... it will absolutely kill college football. They will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. Within a decade even their own product will start to be devalued because the reach of college football will shrink, the stakes will shrink, and it will become little more than a minor league NFL farm system - which few people outside of the actual school fan bases themselves will want to watch. This trend inevitably leads to self destruction if it plays out to the bitter end. JMO, perhaps.

(05-27-2019 07:13 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I think many SEC and B1G fans are missing the big picture... if a $20M/year gap does get locked in, and if the number of viable teams is reduced to, say 32 to 40 teams... it will absolutely kill college football. They will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. Within a decade even their own product will start to be devalued because the reach of college football will shrink, the stakes will shrink, and it will become little more than a minor league NFL farm system - which few people outside of the actual school fan bases themselves will want to watch. This trend inevitably leads to self destruction if it plays out to the bitter end. JMO, perhaps.

Welcome to the party, pal.

When the P5 becomes the P2... well that kind've changes things, doesn't it?

Been saying this since this "power" nonsense started. If the biggies keep stomping out competition, they'll eventually just be standing there asking themselves... what the he!! happened??

Hopefully someone will get it before ESPN is televising Texas v. Ohio State every week.

(05-27-2019 07:13 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I think many SEC and B1G fans are missing the big picture... if a $20M/year gap does get locked in, and if the number of viable teams is reduced to, say 32 to 40 teams... it will absolutely kill college football. They will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. Within a decade even their own product will start to be devalued because the reach of college football will shrink, the stakes will shrink, and it will become little more than a minor league NFL farm system - which few people outside of the actual school fan bases themselves will want to watch. This trend inevitably leads to self destruction if it plays out to the bitter end. JMO, perhaps.

While this is true, they have an avenue to fix this.

Basically, they can strategically expand. They can take the 2-4 PAC 12 teams worth something, same with Big 12, same with ACC.

Basically, they can have their cake and eat it to. The P model is to remove, as much as possible (existing B1G and SEC schools are exempt), dead weight schools.

It is only a matter of time, before the schools that have an path take it (OU, Texas, etc).

(05-27-2019 09:27 AM)nole Wrote:  

(05-27-2019 07:13 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I think many SEC and B1G fans are missing the big picture... if a $20M/year gap does get locked in, and if the number of viable teams is reduced to, say 32 to 40 teams... it will absolutely kill college football. They will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. Within a decade even their own product will start to be devalued because the reach of college football will shrink, the stakes will shrink, and it will become little more than a minor league NFL farm system - which few people outside of the actual school fan bases themselves will want to watch. This trend inevitably leads to self destruction if it plays out to the bitter end. JMO, perhaps.

While this is true, they have an avenue to fix this.

Basically, they can strategically expand. They can take the 2-4 PAC 12 teams worth something, same with Big 12, same with ACC.

Basically, they can have their cake and eat it to. The P model is to remove, as much as possible (existing B1G and SEC schools are exempt), dead weight schools.

It is only a matter of time, before the schools that have an path take it (OU, Texas, etc).

No Nole, if they go down that path NOBODY is exempt.
Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Ole Miss and Mississippi State are out, and most likely South Carolina and Missouri too.
The B1G will take a haircut also; Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, Rutgers and Maryland will have to go most likely along with Minnesota.