(05-01-2019 05:11 PM)ttgwm02 Wrote:  

(04-30-2019 06:10 PM)Paulbintheburg Wrote:  

(04-30-2019 07:37 AM)ColonelEbirt Wrote:  

(04-30-2019 06:53 AM)Paulbintheburg Wrote:  

(04-28-2019 08:03 PM)ColonelEbirt Wrote:  I’m not doubting this - I’m not in the know. But I do wonder who would be the source of this information, and then be willing to share with others? Huge knows - and is obviously not going to share this. Is someone on the committee going to talk about how no one wanted the job ... doubtful. So who on the inside would both a) be in the circle to know the details about whom exactly was offered, and b) be willing to share something like that with others that, if true, makes our school / program look really bad? I’ve gotta assume there are a ton of casual conversations with all sorts of people before serious discussions begin about job details and such.


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Well this is not a "its on the internet so it must be true" sort of thing.

If you want to think differently because its a case of "the truth hurts" then I understand that.

Lets assume for a moment that there is no such info, just speculation (not the case, but lets assume), WM mens hoops was down and out for several years, in the Boyarges era(or as I refer to it, those years where I just handed WM money and the product did not match the description, a 6'10" center who favored 12' jumpers, a PG who couldn't make foul shots or a simple layup. a PF who couldn't do 5 pushups and was more interested in sketching comic books and having his father come on here and berate people who questioned his useless basketball player son for eating up a scholarship) you could go to games and if you spoke above a whisper the scant few people on the other side of the arena could hear you, and for decades the Tribe never even sniffed the title game of any conference they played in. Tony Shaver came in, and within 4 years the Tribe were playing George Mason on ESPN in the CAA Conf Championship game, that was back when the CAA was a top tier mid-conference, not the lowly "one bid, low seed conference" it is today.
Most of what could be deemed success in WM mens hoops has happened in the last 15 years under Tony Shavers watch, he was a missed jumper from making the NCAA's a few years ago, yet with all that, he is dumped and paid to not coach (swirl that one around, this isn't Texas or Bama we are talking about, who pulls this kind of thing all the time, because they have mountains of cash).
So now a supposed "Coaching Search" begins, with a "Committee", and they searched nationally far and wide, and they all came to the same conclusion, that an assistant coach at what is now a low tier program is the answer to getting to the NCAA Xanadu.

You're willing to buy all that?

If so, good for you, just keep in mind that is before the widely known info posted above. Williamsburg is not some sort of Metropolis, everyone is 3 degrees away from knowing someone.

I’m not sure what you’re suggesting I “buy”. No one believes that Huge fired Shaver because she already had Fischer lined up and he was her dream candidate. She decided to fire Shaver (Decision #1). She then found the best coach she could find who wanted to lead our program (Decision #2). These are separate decisions. It’s telling that 3/4 of your response to speculations / facts about the coaching search (Decision #2) is talking about how great Tony is (Decision #1). The emotions are still raw because many of us love Tony and all he did for our program. But it’s clear that those emotions are affecting how many of us are evaluating Decision #2.

Again, I’m not saying it’s not true that many coaches turned us down. In fact, I assume they did. If not, we didn’t search wide/high enough. I’m just challenging any implied statements that our program is a complete dumpster fire and no sensible / quality coach would ever want to be here.


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First of all I never used "Great" and "Tony Shaver" in the same sentence, you did.

Secondly, if your program is a big pile of burning shyat for decades with maybe the exception of a random season or two (with still no appearance in a conf championship game of any kind), then a new coach comes in, with a FIVE year contract, and gets you to the CCG in his 4th year, in a highly respected mid-tier conference, then KEEPS your program relevant and respectable for the next decade, and he is suddenly dismissed with no apparent explanation (because we evidently are too stupid to understand it?)
and his replacement is a guy who has never been a HC on any level (much like the person hiring him has never been an AD on any level), that is called "Destabilizing a stable situation", its also exhibit A that any guy with any kind of reputation wanted nothing to do with WM, since WM doesn't give a crap about the one person who dragged a smoldering pile of Moose dung, into respectability.
I'll repeat what someone told me, "Its not the new guy's fault", and that is very true, but the new guy is going to be making about four times what he was making, so that excuse only will last for just so long, for his sake he better have a solid plan and know how to execute it.

Two comments:

(1) We are paying Fischer 4X what we paid Tony?!?

(2) I agree with everything you said. It was said much more concisely than anyone else.

Sorry I should clarify, the new mens hoops coach is making about 4x what he made at GMU.