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2019 - more donors @ nearly $2.5mil

2018 - slightly fewer donors @ nearly $2.5mil (but slightly more money than 2019).

Both years provided massive increases to # of donors and money donated when compared to the first year of this initiative five years ago.

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So much for the coaching mess affecting contributions to athletics...at least for OTOD...all the Tribe Club goals were met and more donors contributed!
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I am glad all the challenges were met.
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(04-19-2019 01:02 PM)Tribal Wrote:  2019 - more donors @ nearly $2.5mil

2018 - slightly fewer donors @ nearly $2.5mil (but slightly more money than 2019).

Both years provided massive increases to # of donors and money donated when compared to the first year of this initiative five years ago.

(04-19-2019 01:37 PM)bubbadog57 Wrote:  So much for the coaching mess affecting contributions to athletics...at least for OTOD...all the Tribe Club goals were met and more donors contributed!

Can someone please provide the links that give these numbers? Thanks!
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(04-19-2019 05:52 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Wm.edu

Thanks Tribal.

I see that in 2018 there were 12,770 donors for $2,469,532. In 2019 there were 13,144 donors for "nearly $2.5M" (Tribal says that the 2019 number is lower than 2018 for dollars). However, I don't see any breakout showing how much each university discipline got (I'm sure that data is out there but I couldn't find it). Without that breakdown, I cannot judge whether bubbadog is correct in his assertions that "W&M athletics getting more than ever" and "all the Tribe Club goals were met and more donors contributed" (I am not saying that he is not correct, I am just saying that I can't find those numbers). So, overall giving to the university as a whole might be up but was the total dollars for athletics up or down?

No matter what spin is put on it, if Tribal is right about less dollars this year - but more donors - then that means the average contribution went down. That's not good. So who can say what effect the "coaching mess" had on giving. (Yes, the donors went up --- but consider that the number of graduates every year is probably higher than the number of alums who pass away in any given year and so one would expect the number of givers to also go up slightly because the pool of potential donors increased (thus, the real challenge every year is to make sure that you get a large percentage of the new graduates to give, and then keep on giving. W&M seems to be doing a good job of doing that).

So, to me, until the numbers are shown, the jury is still out on whether the coaching debacle affected giving.
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We had several matching gifts. That's a big part of the total cash. Dunk tanks and such seem to have helped and that marketing angle is a good thing. Between a slight increase in the # of donors and a slight decrease in amount donated, I think it's a wash. What I don't know is how much is allocated for MBB. That, to me, is the real question.





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Below is info from the William & Mary web page story on the OTOD fund raiser.

You will note that Coach London's football program received the largest
number of contributions in the individual competition and that Athletics
finished first among the Departments Competition (receiving a 15k bonus for finishing first).

They don't break down the actual figures but by winning the two competitions--individual and departmental--it was a banner day for Tribe Athletics.

************(here's part of the article)
In the end, London finished slightly ahead of Tierney with the largest number of gifts, many of which will directly benefit the football program.

There were 10 donor-sponsored challenges on One Tribe One Day, which fueled momentum and provided $690,000 to the university. To earn the funds, certain donor thresholds had to be met throughout the day.


The Gerdelman competition award was divided among departments or areas in three categories – the most number of donors, the most new donors and the most improved from 2018. This year, Athletics, Arts & Sciences and International Initiatives were the top performers respectively. A $5,000 prize was also given to William & Mary’s Virginia Institute of Marine Science for honorable mention.
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The school moved “$10 for the Tribe” to OTOD this year, which is a program asking each athlete to give $10. It’s usually in the Fall. Any analysis of this years results compared to last year should be adjusted for that donor inflation. Given that there are over 600 student athletes and that program historically has very good participation, you can likely deduct 400-500 from the donor total for an apples to apples comparison to 2018.

Has anyone received more detailed results indicating how donors and dollars to athletics compared this year to last year? I’m inferring a lot here but given the $10 for the Tribe factor I have to assume athletics lost several hundred donors that they had in 2018.

Huge owns whatever the reduction in donors and dollars to athletics is for OTOD 2019.
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They claim that 993 students gave during OTOD. That number can be compared to last year when 693 students gave. So it does appear that most of the increase in donors can be tied to "10 for the Tribe". I find it interesting that the actual dollar total has not been published ("nearly $2.5M"), presumably because publishing it would show that it was less than 2018.

No good way to spin it: dollars down, non-student donors down.
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I have a very hard time believing that Shaver's firing had any impact whatsoever on overall donations to the school (the AD maybe, but not the school as a whole). Would be surprised if more than 2-3% of alumni are even aware it happened.
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(04-23-2019 07:32 AM)Tribfan Wrote:  I’m inferring a lot here

Yup
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(04-23-2019 09:28 AM)Zorch Wrote:  They claim that 993 students gave during OTOD. That number can be compared to last year when 693 students gave. So it does appear that most of the increase in donors can be tied to "10 for the Tribe". I find it interesting that the actual dollar total has not been published ("nearly $2.5M"), presumably because publishing it would show that it was less than 2018.

No good way to spin it: dollars down, non-student donors down.

Altruism may be competing with the new tax code for some middle class donors. Bigger standard deduction means some will “bunch” charitable contributions in alternate years.
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(04-23-2019 09:28 AM)Zorch Wrote:  They claim that 993 students gave during OTOD. That number can be compared to last year when 693 students gave. So it does appear that most of the increase in donors can be tied to "10 for the Tribe". I find it interesting that the actual dollar total has not been published ("nearly $2.5M"), presumably because publishing it would show that it was less than 2018.

No good way to spin it: dollars down, non-student donors down.

What dates were previous years totals announced? I find it interesting that there is no analysis of reporting dates from this year and previous years, presumably because then there would be one less reason to be mad online.
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(04-23-2019 06:34 PM)Florida tribe fan Wrote:  
(04-23-2019 09:28 AM)Zorch Wrote:  They claim that 993 students gave during OTOD. That number can be compared to last year when 693 students gave. So it does appear that most of the increase in donors can be tied to "10 for the Tribe". I find it interesting that the actual dollar total has not been published ("nearly $2.5M"), presumably because publishing it would show that it was less than 2018.

No good way to spin it: dollars down, non-student donors down.

Altruism may be competing with the new tax code for some middle class donors. Bigger standard deduction means some will “bunch” charitable contributions in alternate years.

It wouldn’t be a true W&M sports discussion board without including analysis of new tax code regulations and their potential impacts on OTOD in the aftermath of Huge v. Shaver 2019. Love it.

Also, we’re near the closing stretch of our campaign to raise $1 Billion. In the five years of OTOD, the most that could have been raised is $10 million. That’d be 1% of the total campaign goal from five years of promoting this important day for giving. My impression is OTOD is more valuable for unlocking doors and establishing contact with potential new donors than it is for dollar amounts raised. It’s a grass roots effort, and the school is really good at pulling talking points from the data to fit the narrative. I expect the same positive spin this year, and largely consider alumni participation at this level to be a positive under any circumstances. However, I find it hard to fathom we could put this much emphasis on OTOD’s importance only one month after agreeing to a $1.7 million buyout. I know of one way we could have saved $1.7 million of critically important college funds.
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The main goal of OTOD is to increase the percentage of alumni that donates, which is something that is tracked by US News and figures into our ranking. Increasing the percentage of alumni that donates also shows that people enjoyed their time at W&M, which is something that can be shared with prospective students. IMO.
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W&M's alumni participation with over 13000 donating something in just one day is remarkable for a school W&M's size.

The fact that intercollegiate athletics leads every year with where the dollars go is also remarkable.
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(04-23-2019 09:52 PM)TribeInTheBurg Wrote:  
(04-23-2019 09:28 AM)Zorch Wrote:  They claim that 993 students gave during OTOD. That number can be compared to last year when 693 students gave. So it does appear that most of the increase in donors can be tied to "10 for the Tribe". I find it interesting that the actual dollar total has not been published ("nearly $2.5M"), presumably because publishing it would show that it was less than 2018.

No good way to spin it: dollars down, non-student donors down.

What dates were previous years totals announced? I find it interesting that there is no analysis of reporting dates from this year and previous years, presumably because then there would be one less reason to be mad online.

In 2016 the OTOD article was dated 4/26.

In 2017 the OTOD article was dated 4/3, and here is the link:

https://advancement.wm.edu/news/2017/one...donors.php

The 2018 OTOD article has since disappeared since I first accessed it for the 4/19 post above (post # 26).

In 2019 the OTOD article was dated 4/19, and here is the link:

https://advancement.wm.edu/news/2019/otod-2019.php

Note that the last three years have featured similar looking large green boxes with numerous quadrants full of factoids. The 2018 one had the exact number of dollars (again, quoted in post # 26), while the 2019 one simply says "nearly $2.5M".

By the way, TribeInTheBurg, I thought that you said that you were ignoring my posts. Promises, promises. I guess that you just couldn't stay away. 04-cheers 04-cheers
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Aside from the facts, it should be obvious to anyone who has paid attention, that Huge would've IMMEDIATELY celebrated that this event broke both # of donors AND $ donated. They used some interesting gimmicks in an attempt to make such a claim, but alas...

Either way, all the numbers are close and I don't think it's a big deal. The real # is how many donors and how much was designated for MBB. That remains a mystery.

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For what it’s worth, and to understand W&M’s place in the universe, and to further my argument that W&M should have a marching band:

OTOD 2019: 13,144 donors ... $2.5 million ... $190 per donor (this number is probably affected by the For The Bold Campaign).

Purdue Day of Giving: 21,420 donors ... $41 million ... $1,914 per donor.

Purdue’s Bands & Orchestras had the highest participation rate ... 2,700 individual donors.
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