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RE: Big 12 and ESPN sign a short term media rights deal
(04-16-2019 10:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-16-2019 09:32 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Article from Awful Announcing on the media deal:

ESPN/Big 12 deal was way to resolve champ game pricing

The key to future realignment will remain whether or not ESPN lands the Oklahoma T3 rights package currently held by FOX. If ESPN lands it they might assist the Sooners and Horns in a move and backfill from the AAC, or they might preserve the Big 12 and try to lure a couple of PAC outliers, or they might just be content to own the Big 12, most of the SEC, and all of the ACC in the most sports crazy regions of the nation.

If FOX retains OU then a Sooner move to the Big 10 might be in the offing in 2025 and I believe that precipitate a move by Texas and a couple of other Big 12 schools.

Things will likely remain stone quiet until around 2022, or until the SEC renews it's T1 contract.

Agree with this

OUs choice of Tier 3 deals will be one of many “weather vane” moments telling us which direction the wind is blowing in Norman

I can tell you from my OU guy who seems to be well connected in OU athletics (he knew about Nebraska leaving before anyone else did) that the desire to go West has significantly cooled and so what was once a 3way split about where they might go has become a fairly even split between the B1G and SEC

Obviously the admin is all in on the B1G and so are even some of the more rational fans who know their football will have an easier time winning like they expect to there. He also implied that they’re pretty certain UT would join them in the B1G.

But a deal with Fox may signal where this is all heading
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RE: Big 12 and ESPN sign a short term media rights deal
(04-17-2019 07:32 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  
(04-16-2019 10:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-16-2019 09:32 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Article from Awful Announcing on the media deal:

ESPN/Big 12 deal was way to resolve champ game pricing

The key to future realignment will remain whether or not ESPN lands the Oklahoma T3 rights package currently held by FOX. If ESPN lands it they might assist the Sooners and Horns in a move and backfill from the AAC, or they might preserve the Big 12 and try to lure a couple of PAC outliers, or they might just be content to own the Big 12, most of the SEC, and all of the ACC in the most sports crazy regions of the nation.

If FOX retains OU then a Sooner move to the Big 10 might be in the offing in 2025 and I believe that precipitate a move by Texas and a couple of other Big 12 schools.

Things will likely remain stone quiet until around 2022, or until the SEC renews it's T1 contract.

Agree with this

OUs choice of Tier 3 deals will be one of many “weather vane” moments telling us which direction the wind is blowing in Norman

I can tell you from my OU guy who seems to be well connected in OU athletics (he knew about Nebraska leaving before anyone else did) that the desire to go West has significantly cooled and so what was once a 3way split about where they might go has become a fairly even split between the B1G and SEC

Obviously the admin is all in on the B1G and so are even some of the more rational fans who know their football will have an easier time winning like they expect to there. He also implied that they’re pretty certain UT would join them in the B1G.

But a deal with Fox may signal where this is all heading

Texas isn't headed to the Big 10. Texas has been in talks with us again. Texas may not be headed anywhere, but if they do wherever they go it will be tied to ESPN, not FOX, and you can take that to the bank. If Oklahoma moves to the Big 10 it will be with either Kansas, or Colorado, with Colorado being a much more lucrative move for the Big 10 than UK.
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RE: Big 12 and ESPN sign a short term media rights deal
(04-17-2019 11:27 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-17-2019 07:32 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  
(04-16-2019 10:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-16-2019 09:32 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Article from Awful Announcing on the media deal:

ESPN/Big 12 deal was way to resolve champ game pricing

The key to future realignment will remain whether or not ESPN lands the Oklahoma T3 rights package currently held by FOX. If ESPN lands it they might assist the Sooners and Horns in a move and backfill from the AAC, or they might preserve the Big 12 and try to lure a couple of PAC outliers, or they might just be content to own the Big 12, most of the SEC, and all of the ACC in the most sports crazy regions of the nation.

If FOX retains OU then a Sooner move to the Big 10 might be in the offing in 2025 and I believe that precipitate a move by Texas and a couple of other Big 12 schools.

Things will likely remain stone quiet until around 2022, or until the SEC renews it's T1 contract.

Agree with this

OUs choice of Tier 3 deals will be one of many “weather vane” moments telling us which direction the wind is blowing in Norman

I can tell you from my OU guy who seems to be well connected in OU athletics (he knew about Nebraska leaving before anyone else did) that the desire to go West has significantly cooled and so what was once a 3way split about where they might go has become a fairly even split between the B1G and SEC

Obviously the admin is all in on the B1G and so are even some of the more rational fans who know their football will have an easier time winning like they expect to there. He also implied that they’re pretty certain UT would join them in the B1G.

But a deal with Fox may signal where this is all heading

Texas isn't headed to the Big 10. Texas has been in talks with us again. Texas may not be headed anywhere, but if they do wherever they go it will be tied to ESPN, not FOX, and you can take that to the bank. If Oklahoma moves to the Big 10 it will be with either Kansas, or Colorado, with Colorado being a much more lucrative move for the Big 10 than UK.
Even if Oklahoma did go to the BIG, it is doubtful Texas would follow. While other B12 schools would be enamored with a BIG invitation, elite and self-absorbed Texas would view it as an option with imperfections. Many of those away conference games in multiple sports in the chilly rust belt cannot be particularly endearing. And whomever the BIG adds, Ohio State-Michigan shall retain being the centerpiece of the conference
In the final analysis by Texas, having a few nearby rivals, securing revenue that near matches or perhaps exceeds what the BIG will offer, and functioning within a conference that is not suppressive in terms of the pecking order; will guide the school's decision.

Any nostalgia for the days Texas can be an unimpeded bully is irrational, and surely their administration understands this by now.

As to Oklahoma, being in a conference that doesn't include Oklahoma State or Texas could be a testy matter, particularly with scheduling. The BIG hasn't been very flexible in allowing OOCs after conference play commences for the season in fb. bb, etc.
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RE: Big 12 and ESPN sign a short term media rights deal
(04-17-2019 12:47 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  
(04-17-2019 11:27 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-17-2019 07:32 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  
(04-16-2019 10:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-16-2019 09:32 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Article from Awful Announcing on the media deal:

ESPN/Big 12 deal was way to resolve champ game pricing

The key to future realignment will remain whether or not ESPN lands the Oklahoma T3 rights package currently held by FOX. If ESPN lands it they might assist the Sooners and Horns in a move and backfill from the AAC, or they might preserve the Big 12 and try to lure a couple of PAC outliers, or they might just be content to own the Big 12, most of the SEC, and all of the ACC in the most sports crazy regions of the nation.

If FOX retains OU then a Sooner move to the Big 10 might be in the offing in 2025 and I believe that precipitate a move by Texas and a couple of other Big 12 schools.

Things will likely remain stone quiet until around 2022, or until the SEC renews it's T1 contract.

Agree with this

OUs choice of Tier 3 deals will be one of many “weather vane” moments telling us which direction the wind is blowing in Norman

I can tell you from my OU guy who seems to be well connected in OU athletics (he knew about Nebraska leaving before anyone else did) that the desire to go West has significantly cooled and so what was once a 3way split about where they might go has become a fairly even split between the B1G and SEC

Obviously the admin is all in on the B1G and so are even some of the more rational fans who know their football will have an easier time winning like they expect to there. He also implied that they’re pretty certain UT would join them in the B1G.

But a deal with Fox may signal where this is all heading

Texas isn't headed to the Big 10. Texas has been in talks with us again. Texas may not be headed anywhere, but if they do wherever they go it will be tied to ESPN, not FOX, and you can take that to the bank. If Oklahoma moves to the Big 10 it will be with either Kansas, or Colorado, with Colorado being a much more lucrative move for the Big 10 than UK.
Even if Oklahoma did go to the BIG, it is doubtful Texas would follow. While other B12 schools would be enamored with a BIG invitation, elite and self-absorbed Texas would view it as an option with imperfections. Many of those away conference games in multiple sports in the chilly rust belt cannot be particularly endearing. And whomever the BIG adds, Ohio State-Michigan shall retain being the centerpiece of the conference
In the final analysis by Texas, having a few nearby rivals, securing revenue that near matches or perhaps exceeds what the BIG will offer, and functioning within a conference that is not suppressive in terms of the pecking order; will guide the school's decision.

Any nostalgia for the days Texas can be an unimpeded bully is irrational, and surely their administration understands this by now.

As to Oklahoma, being in a conference that doesn't include Oklahoma State or Texas could be a testy matter, particularly with scheduling. The BIG hasn't been very flexible in allowing OOCs after conference play commences for the season in fb. bb, etc.

I concur. I might add that Oklahoma to the Big 10 is specious for the reasons you stated and one you alluded to. OU, without UT and OSU, isn't going to commit political state suicide and follow the Nebraska model for decline.
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The thing about Oklahoma going to the Big Ten is that there aren't many options for partners. I don't see Texas making that move, but let's assume for a moment that was on the table.

The Big Ten will not offer other regional schools. The SEC could do that, however, as we have more wiggle room.

With the latest development of ESPN buying the 3rd tier rights for most of the Big 12 and FOX bowing out to a significant degree then I can easily see where ESPN would rather just keep the Big 12 together and try to get it at a bargain price. They need good content for ESPN+ going forward and so that's probably worth it to them.

With that said, I'm not sure Texas and Oklahoma would prefer that although it's certainly possible they could. Sure, they would love to keep the Big 12 together, but if ESPN isn't paying top dollar then that could be a problem. That and exposure on ESPN+ is never going to be the highest they could get so that's really more of a value proposition for ESPN than a lure for the schools.

I'm thinking though that ESPN+ will become a priority for ESPN in the near term and they will start moving digital content for the Power 5 sooner than later. They had an opportunity to do it for the Big 12 a little sooner than everyone else, but the day is coming when every league will be asked to do it.

With that in mind, the SEC already has the tie-in with ESPN. We won't have an opportunity to move much to ESPN+ anytime soon unless we expand and redo the deal. There's an opportunity there though...

The SEC's 3rd tier rights are based with the SEC Network while a lot of actual content is in the digital sphere via ESPN3. I think ESPN will phase out their digital sphere more or less in favor of moving content to ESPN+ so they can get the sub rates. If ESPN could convince the SEC to move some of our content to ESPN+ then they may be willing to pay more for an expansion and the subsequent rights.

The key there is building a strong enough content base that we've got good games for 2nd tier, 3rd tier, as well as digital broadcasts. I'm assuming the 1st tier will not go to ESPN though.

So it could be worthwhile to ESPN to pay for not only Texas and Oklahoma but a few more just to make sure they've got a robust amount of SEC content on ESPN+ and then they can game a lot of us into paying that subscription fee. It does seem to be their plan to get as much college content on there as possible.

So the negotiations going forward will be very interesting. As our 1st tier comes up for bid, the rest of the rights could essentially be in the pipeline as well if we're expanding. ESPN might not even care for an extension in that environment simply because most of the value would be on their end by propping up ESPN+.
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RE: Big 12 and ESPN sign a short term media rights deal
(04-17-2019 02:27 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  The thing about Oklahoma going to the Big Ten is that there aren't many options for partners. I don't see Texas making that move, but let's assume for a moment that was on the table.

The Big Ten will not offer other regional schools. The SEC could do that, however, as we have more wiggle room.

With the latest development of ESPN buying the 3rd tier rights for most of the Big 12 and FOX bowing out to a significant degree then I can easily see where ESPN would rather just keep the Big 12 together and try to get it at a bargain price. They need good content for ESPN+ going forward and so that's probably worth it to them.

With that said, I'm not sure Texas and Oklahoma would prefer that although it's certainly possible they could. Sure, they would love to keep the Big 12 together, but if ESPN isn't paying top dollar then that could be a problem. That and exposure on ESPN+ is never going to be the highest they could get so that's really more of a value proposition for ESPN than a lure for the schools.

I'm thinking though that ESPN+ will become a priority for ESPN in the near term and they will start moving digital content for the Power 5 sooner than later. They had an opportunity to do it for the Big 12 a little sooner than everyone else, but the day is coming when every league will be asked to do it.

With that in mind, the SEC already has the tie-in with ESPN. We won't have an opportunity to move much to ESPN+ anytime soon unless we expand and redo the deal. There's an opportunity there though...

The SEC's 3rd tier rights are based with the SEC Network while a lot of actual content is in the digital sphere via ESPN3. I think ESPN will phase out their digital sphere more or less in favor of moving content to ESPN+ so they can get the sub rates. If ESPN could convince the SEC to move some of our content to ESPN+ then they may be willing to pay more for an expansion and the subsequent rights.

The key there is building a strong enough content base that we've got good games for 2nd tier, 3rd tier, as well as digital broadcasts. I'm assuming the 1st tier will not go to ESPN though.

So it could be worthwhile to ESPN to pay for not only Texas and Oklahoma but a few more just to make sure they've got a robust amount of SEC content on ESPN+ and then they can game a lot of us into paying that subscription fee. It does seem to be their plan to get as much college content on there as possible.

So the negotiations going forward will be very interesting. As our 1st tier comes up for bid, the rest of the rights could essentially be in the pipeline as well if we're expanding. ESPN might not even care for an extension in that environment simply because most of the value would be on their end by propping up ESPN+.

ESPN is consolidating their apps into one brand. My old 3D TV still has the SEC App which no longer exists. The watch ESPN app no longer allows cable or satellite subscribers to long in and stream their various espn channels using cable accounts as that app has been folded directly into the standard espn app. At some point soon, you’ll be able to watch any espn channel via a monthly subscription without a traditional service provider similar to what hbo did.
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(04-17-2019 02:27 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  The thing about Oklahoma going to the Big Ten is that there aren't many options for partners. I don't see Texas making that move, but let's assume for a moment that was on the table.

The Big Ten will not offer other regional schools. The SEC could do that, however, as we have more wiggle room.

With the latest development of ESPN buying the 3rd tier rights for most of the Big 12 and FOX bowing out to a significant degree then I can easily see where ESPN would rather just keep the Big 12 together and try to get it at a bargain price. They need good content for ESPN+ going forward and so that's probably worth it to them.

With that said, I'm not sure Texas and Oklahoma would prefer that although it's certainly possible they could. Sure, they would love to keep the Big 12 together, but if ESPN isn't paying top dollar then that could be a problem. That and exposure on ESPN+ is never going to be the highest they could get so that's really more of a value proposition for ESPN than a lure for the schools.

I'm thinking though that ESPN+ will become a priority for ESPN in the near term and they will start moving digital content for the Power 5 sooner than later. They had an opportunity to do it for the Big 12 a little sooner than everyone else, but the day is coming when every league will be asked to do it.

With that in mind, the SEC already has the tie-in with ESPN. We won't have an opportunity to move much to ESPN+ anytime soon unless we expand and redo the deal. There's an opportunity there though...

The SEC's 3rd tier rights are based with the SEC Network while a lot of actual content is in the digital sphere via ESPN3. I think ESPN will phase out their digital sphere more or less in favor of moving content to ESPN+ so they can get the sub rates. If ESPN could convince the SEC to move some of our content to ESPN+ then they may be willing to pay more for an expansion and the subsequent rights.

The key there is building a strong enough content base that we've got good games for 2nd tier, 3rd tier, as well as digital broadcasts. I'm assuming the 1st tier will not go to ESPN though.

So it could be worthwhile to ESPN to pay for not only Texas and Oklahoma but a few more just to make sure they've got a robust amount of SEC content on ESPN+ and then they can game a lot of us into paying that subscription fee. It does seem to be their plan to get as much college content on there as possible.

So the negotiations going forward will be very interesting. As our 1st tier comes up for bid, the rest of the rights could essentially be in the pipeline as well if we're expanding. ESPN might not even care for an extension in that environment simply because most of the value would be on their end by propping up ESPN+.

This is the only reason I have not totally ruled out 20 schools, although I still don't consider it likely. But Texa-homa locks those 4 down. Add Kansas and Iowa State and the SEC picks up the top 3 brands and owns 4 of the 5 states in the footprint of the Big 12.

That's not an SEC move. That's an ESPN move. WVU heads to the ACC. If they want into Texas with Baylor and T.C.U. so be it.

But this kind of SEC works out pretty well:

Iowa State, Kansas, Missouri Oklahoma, Oklahoma State

Arkansas, Louisiana State, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech

Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt

Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee

You play the 4 schools from your division and 1 permanent rival from each of the other 3 divisions and rotate 1 school each year from the other three. That's 10 conference games and you play everyone every 4 year cycle.

The content value added with OU and UT and Kansas for hoops added to the SEC rotation without unnecessary duplication is a huge boost for value and the amount of content for ESPN.

KSU, Baylor, and T.C.U. could either join WVU in the ACC or join the AAC. The AAC could bet promoted to P5 and now ESPN has more premium content than anyone for the price of essentially 2 conferences at high dollar and a third a step below.

Now UT and OU are getting CBS prime time slots, ESPN key slots, and the SECN covers the rest for them. All other games are subject to SEC+. The money is good enough to cover the LHN and state politics is taken care of while the SEC picks up 3 AAU schools.

For the Big 12 their old core members of the Big 8 and SWC are still together and reunited with other members of their core.

With those schools added the SEC football bell curve is essentially maintained and hoops gets a huge boost.

Those are the selling points. For the 16 member model efficiency is remains the selling point.
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(04-17-2019 03:28 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(04-17-2019 02:27 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  The thing about Oklahoma going to the Big Ten is that there aren't many options for partners. I don't see Texas making that move, but let's assume for a moment that was on the table.

The Big Ten will not offer other regional schools. The SEC could do that, however, as we have more wiggle room.

With the latest development of ESPN buying the 3rd tier rights for most of the Big 12 and FOX bowing out to a significant degree then I can easily see where ESPN would rather just keep the Big 12 together and try to get it at a bargain price. They need good content for ESPN+ going forward and so that's probably worth it to them.

With that said, I'm not sure Texas and Oklahoma would prefer that although it's certainly possible they could. Sure, they would love to keep the Big 12 together, but if ESPN isn't paying top dollar then that could be a problem. That and exposure on ESPN+ is never going to be the highest they could get so that's really more of a value proposition for ESPN than a lure for the schools.

I'm thinking though that ESPN+ will become a priority for ESPN in the near term and they will start moving digital content for the Power 5 sooner than later. They had an opportunity to do it for the Big 12 a little sooner than everyone else, but the day is coming when every league will be asked to do it.

With that in mind, the SEC already has the tie-in with ESPN. We won't have an opportunity to move much to ESPN+ anytime soon unless we expand and redo the deal. There's an opportunity there though...

The SEC's 3rd tier rights are based with the SEC Network while a lot of actual content is in the digital sphere via ESPN3. I think ESPN will phase out their digital sphere more or less in favor of moving content to ESPN+ so they can get the sub rates. If ESPN could convince the SEC to move some of our content to ESPN+ then they may be willing to pay more for an expansion and the subsequent rights.

The key there is building a strong enough content base that we've got good games for 2nd tier, 3rd tier, as well as digital broadcasts. I'm assuming the 1st tier will not go to ESPN though.

So it could be worthwhile to ESPN to pay for not only Texas and Oklahoma but a few more just to make sure they've got a robust amount of SEC content on ESPN+ and then they can game a lot of us into paying that subscription fee. It does seem to be their plan to get as much college content on there as possible.

So the negotiations going forward will be very interesting. As our 1st tier comes up for bid, the rest of the rights could essentially be in the pipeline as well if we're expanding. ESPN might not even care for an extension in that environment simply because most of the value would be on their end by propping up ESPN+.

ESPN is consolidating their apps into one brand. My old 3D TV still has the SEC App which no longer exists. The watch ESPN app no longer allows cable or satellite subscribers to long in and stream their various espn channels using cable accounts as that app has been folded directly into the standard espn app. At some point soon, you’ll be able to watch any espn channel via a monthly subscription without a traditional service provider similar to what hbo did.

I haven't ventured over to Watch ESPN in so long that I haven't kept up with it. I know the way they used to do it was pretty disorganized.

But one thing was clear, they couldn't have been making much money from the fees they charged internet providers. It made a lot more sense to create an OTT service and get people to pay for similar content.
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(04-17-2019 04:36 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-17-2019 02:27 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  The thing about Oklahoma going to the Big Ten is that there aren't many options for partners. I don't see Texas making that move, but let's assume for a moment that was on the table.

The Big Ten will not offer other regional schools. The SEC could do that, however, as we have more wiggle room.

With the latest development of ESPN buying the 3rd tier rights for most of the Big 12 and FOX bowing out to a significant degree then I can easily see where ESPN would rather just keep the Big 12 together and try to get it at a bargain price. They need good content for ESPN+ going forward and so that's probably worth it to them.

With that said, I'm not sure Texas and Oklahoma would prefer that although it's certainly possible they could. Sure, they would love to keep the Big 12 together, but if ESPN isn't paying top dollar then that could be a problem. That and exposure on ESPN+ is never going to be the highest they could get so that's really more of a value proposition for ESPN than a lure for the schools.

I'm thinking though that ESPN+ will become a priority for ESPN in the near term and they will start moving digital content for the Power 5 sooner than later. They had an opportunity to do it for the Big 12 a little sooner than everyone else, but the day is coming when every league will be asked to do it.

With that in mind, the SEC already has the tie-in with ESPN. We won't have an opportunity to move much to ESPN+ anytime soon unless we expand and redo the deal. There's an opportunity there though...

The SEC's 3rd tier rights are based with the SEC Network while a lot of actual content is in the digital sphere via ESPN3. I think ESPN will phase out their digital sphere more or less in favor of moving content to ESPN+ so they can get the sub rates. If ESPN could convince the SEC to move some of our content to ESPN+ then they may be willing to pay more for an expansion and the subsequent rights.

The key there is building a strong enough content base that we've got good games for 2nd tier, 3rd tier, as well as digital broadcasts. I'm assuming the 1st tier will not go to ESPN though.

So it could be worthwhile to ESPN to pay for not only Texas and Oklahoma but a few more just to make sure they've got a robust amount of SEC content on ESPN+ and then they can game a lot of us into paying that subscription fee. It does seem to be their plan to get as much college content on there as possible.

So the negotiations going forward will be very interesting. As our 1st tier comes up for bid, the rest of the rights could essentially be in the pipeline as well if we're expanding. ESPN might not even care for an extension in that environment simply because most of the value would be on their end by propping up ESPN+.

This is the only reason I have not totally ruled out 20 schools, although I still don't consider it likely. But Texa-homa locks those 4 down. Add Kansas and Iowa State and the SEC picks up the top 3 brands and owns 4 of the 5 states in the footprint of the Big 12.

That's not an SEC move. That's an ESPN move. WVU heads to the ACC. If they want into Texas with Baylor and T.C.U. so be it.

But this kind of SEC works out pretty well:

Iowa State, Kansas, Missouri Oklahoma, Oklahoma State

Arkansas, Louisiana State, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech

Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt

Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee

You play the 4 schools from your division and 1 permanent rival from each of the other 3 divisions and rotate 1 school each year from the other three. That's 10 conference games and you play everyone every 4 year cycle.

The content value added with OU and UT and Kansas for hoops added to the SEC rotation without unnecessary duplication is a huge boost for value and the amount of content for ESPN.

KSU, Baylor, and T.C.U. could either join WVU in the ACC or join the AAC. The AAC could bet promoted to P5 and now ESPN has more premium content than anyone for the price of essentially 2 conferences at high dollar and a third a step below.

Now UT and OU are getting CBS prime time slots, ESPN key slots, and the SECN covers the rest for them. All other games are subject to SEC+. The money is good enough to cover the LHN and state politics is taken care of while the SEC picks up 3 AAU schools.

For the Big 12 their old core members of the Big 8 and SWC are still together and reunited with other members of their core.

With those schools added the SEC football bell curve is essentially maintained and hoops gets a huge boost.

Those are the selling points. For the 16 member model efficiency is remains the selling point.

I do agree it would take about 20 to really work.

Unfortunately, they're going to start putting football games on ESPN+. For the SEC, I would envision something like a game of the week with perhaps a few simulcasts for games that are on the SEC Network. That way, viewers who don't have it on their cable tier could still access the games. I think they would certainly do the same with basketball.

What ESPN needs is such a large potential subscriber base that it makes less and less of a difference when certain customers cancel at the end of the month when their particular sport of interest is out of season. The only way to do that is to set up year long contracts or to grow the content so much that the average customer wants to stick around.

They already have select MLB, NBA, and NHL games on the platform, but those games are still available through other means. They'll have to have more exclusive events to get the sub numbers up. Quickest way to do it is get your current college conferences to shift some of their content over.

The AAC is really the first league with a decent sized fan base that had to put a lot of games on ESPN+ in a scenario where everything was up for bid. The Big 12 deal is a little more unique, but they are now on the platform nonetheless. The next move for ESPN should be to get the SEC and ACC to move some content over there.

If the SEC is willing to expand with about 6 schools then the league should have enough content to commit exclusive broadcasts across all tiers.

Personally, I think the rest of the Big 12 would combine with the AAC and I imagine a healthy chunk of those games would also be on ESPN+.
04-17-2019 10:19 PM
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RE: Big 12 and ESPN sign a short term media rights deal
(04-17-2019 10:19 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(04-17-2019 04:36 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-17-2019 02:27 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  The thing about Oklahoma going to the Big Ten is that there aren't many options for partners. I don't see Texas making that move, but let's assume for a moment that was on the table.

The Big Ten will not offer other regional schools. The SEC could do that, however, as we have more wiggle room.

With the latest development of ESPN buying the 3rd tier rights for most of the Big 12 and FOX bowing out to a significant degree then I can easily see where ESPN would rather just keep the Big 12 together and try to get it at a bargain price. They need good content for ESPN+ going forward and so that's probably worth it to them.

With that said, I'm not sure Texas and Oklahoma would prefer that although it's certainly possible they could. Sure, they would love to keep the Big 12 together, but if ESPN isn't paying top dollar then that could be a problem. That and exposure on ESPN+ is never going to be the highest they could get so that's really more of a value proposition for ESPN than a lure for the schools.

I'm thinking though that ESPN+ will become a priority for ESPN in the near term and they will start moving digital content for the Power 5 sooner than later. They had an opportunity to do it for the Big 12 a little sooner than everyone else, but the day is coming when every league will be asked to do it.

With that in mind, the SEC already has the tie-in with ESPN. We won't have an opportunity to move much to ESPN+ anytime soon unless we expand and redo the deal. There's an opportunity there though...

The SEC's 3rd tier rights are based with the SEC Network while a lot of actual content is in the digital sphere via ESPN3. I think ESPN will phase out their digital sphere more or less in favor of moving content to ESPN+ so they can get the sub rates. If ESPN could convince the SEC to move some of our content to ESPN+ then they may be willing to pay more for an expansion and the subsequent rights.

The key there is building a strong enough content base that we've got good games for 2nd tier, 3rd tier, as well as digital broadcasts. I'm assuming the 1st tier will not go to ESPN though.

So it could be worthwhile to ESPN to pay for not only Texas and Oklahoma but a few more just to make sure they've got a robust amount of SEC content on ESPN+ and then they can game a lot of us into paying that subscription fee. It does seem to be their plan to get as much college content on there as possible.

So the negotiations going forward will be very interesting. As our 1st tier comes up for bid, the rest of the rights could essentially be in the pipeline as well if we're expanding. ESPN might not even care for an extension in that environment simply because most of the value would be on their end by propping up ESPN+.

This is the only reason I have not totally ruled out 20 schools, although I still don't consider it likely. But Texa-homa locks those 4 down. Add Kansas and Iowa State and the SEC picks up the top 3 brands and owns 4 of the 5 states in the footprint of the Big 12.

That's not an SEC move. That's an ESPN move. WVU heads to the ACC. If they want into Texas with Baylor and T.C.U. so be it.

But this kind of SEC works out pretty well:

Iowa State, Kansas, Missouri Oklahoma, Oklahoma State

Arkansas, Louisiana State, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech

Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt

Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee

You play the 4 schools from your division and 1 permanent rival from each of the other 3 divisions and rotate 1 school each year from the other three. That's 10 conference games and you play everyone every 4 year cycle.

The content value added with OU and UT and Kansas for hoops added to the SEC rotation without unnecessary duplication is a huge boost for value and the amount of content for ESPN.

KSU, Baylor, and T.C.U. could either join WVU in the ACC or join the AAC. The AAC could bet promoted to P5 and now ESPN has more premium content than anyone for the price of essentially 2 conferences at high dollar and a third a step below.

Now UT and OU are getting CBS prime time slots, ESPN key slots, and the SECN covers the rest for them. All other games are subject to SEC+. The money is good enough to cover the LHN and state politics is taken care of while the SEC picks up 3 AAU schools.

For the Big 12 their old core members of the Big 8 and SWC are still together and reunited with other members of their core.

With those schools added the SEC football bell curve is essentially maintained and hoops gets a huge boost.

Those are the selling points. For the 16 member model efficiency is remains the selling point.

I do agree it would take about 20 to really work.

Unfortunately, they're going to start putting football games on ESPN+. For the SEC, I would envision something like a game of the week with perhaps a few simulcasts for games that are on the SEC Network. That way, viewers who don't have it on their cable tier could still access the games. I think they would certainly do the same with basketball.

What ESPN needs is such a large potential subscriber base that it makes less and less of a difference when certain customers cancel at the end of the month when their particular sport of interest is out of season. The only way to do that is to set up year long contracts or to grow the content so much that the average customer wants to stick around.

They already have select MLB, NBA, and NHL games on the platform, but those games are still available through other means. They'll have to have more exclusive events to get the sub numbers up. Quickest way to do it is get your current college conferences to shift some of their content over.

The AAC is really the first league with a decent sized fan base that had to put a lot of games on ESPN+ in a scenario where everything was up for bid. The Big 12 deal is a little more unique, but they are now on the platform nonetheless. The next move for ESPN should be to get the SEC and ACC to move some content over there.

If the SEC is willing to expand with about 6 schools then the league should have enough content to commit exclusive broadcasts across all tiers.

Personally, I think the rest of the Big 12 would combine with the AAC and I imagine a healthy chunk of those games would also be on ESPN+.

This move puts us ahead of the game. No other conference can do this. And the SEC would be expanding with what has been the best product outside of the Big 10 and SEC, and a product with comparable culture and fan interest.

Yes Clemson and F.S.U. fit. But nobody else in the ACC really does, maybe Virginia Tech, but that's about it.

Getting enough content to cross all tiers with exclusive content is going to be the future.

As Nathan Bedford Forrest once said, "The one who gets there fustest, with the mostest, generally wins."
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