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(04-04-2019 01:44 PM)ColonelEbirt Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 01:27 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  Who cares? I do. Huge has consistently avoided giving information, she has manipulated situations, and is pushing the limits on what is being said and what really happened. This is not new nor is it isolated to this situation. I find it offensive that she finds it convenient to have others give her messaging, claim that the advisors were the decision makers and so on. She is simply setting it up so that if it doesn’t work out she has others to blame. Same with the consultants. Total lack of personal accountability.

That’s my opinion and I’m sticking to it. Being a Pollyanna is just what she wants the fans to be. Trust me it will be okay.


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Would someone please share just one example where an AD, upon announcing the hiring of a new coach, publicly proclaimed that the individual hired was NOT their first choice? It has never happened in the history of college sports. (I really hope someone can prove me wrong, bc that would actually be a really funny press release and/or media interview to read!). Her decision to fire Tony opened her up to plenty of very well-deserved criticism and judgment. But if you criticize her for saying that Dane was our top choice and we only offered one person, it makes you seem unreasonable. And your argument also doesn’t make sense bc if she was trying to pawn off accountability on others if Dane fails, she would definitely not be saying that Dane was the greatest thing since sliced bread. By saying that, and saying we didn’t even offer someone else, she’s hitching her wagon to his success (which she should, bc that’s the reality of the situation as soon as she fired Shaver).

I do think, however, she has shown an over-eagerness to publicly embrace opinions supporting her decision, which makes her seem self-conscious and uncertain about how she’s handled this situation. For example, I didn’t like that she retweeted Cox’s tweet saying that the hire was a great decision by her. Felt a bit desperate like “see, SOMEONE liked my decision”. I would have advised her not to do that. As they say, act like you’ve been here before.


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Agreed, she is coming off as evasive and defensive. She would do better to acknowledge her decision has been controversial, further explain her vision for the program and she plans to get there, and ask for some patience. Pretending everything has gone great and to plan is prolonging my anger and I suspect I'm not alone.
04-04-2019 02:30 PM
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(04-04-2019 02:30 PM)WMTribe90 Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 01:44 PM)ColonelEbirt Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 01:27 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  Who cares? I do. Huge has consistently avoided giving information, she has manipulated situations, and is pushing the limits on what is being said and what really happened. This is not new nor is it isolated to this situation. I find it offensive that she finds it convenient to have others give her messaging, claim that the advisors were the decision makers and so on. She is simply setting it up so that if it doesn’t work out she has others to blame. Same with the consultants. Total lack of personal accountability.

That’s my opinion and I’m sticking to it. Being a Pollyanna is just what she wants the fans to be. Trust me it will be okay.


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Would someone please share just one example where an AD, upon announcing the hiring of a new coach, publicly proclaimed that the individual hired was NOT their first choice? It has never happened in the history of college sports. (I really hope someone can prove me wrong, bc that would actually be a really funny press release and/or media interview to read!). Her decision to fire Tony opened her up to plenty of very well-deserved criticism and judgment. But if you criticize her for saying that Dane was our top choice and we only offered one person, it makes you seem unreasonable. And your argument also doesn’t make sense bc if she was trying to pawn off accountability on others if Dane fails, she would definitely not be saying that Dane was the greatest thing since sliced bread. By saying that, and saying we didn’t even offer someone else, she’s hitching her wagon to his success (which she should, bc that’s the reality of the situation as soon as she fired Shaver).

I do think, however, she has shown an over-eagerness to publicly embrace opinions supporting her decision, which makes her seem self-conscious and uncertain about how she’s handled this situation. For example, I didn’t like that she retweeted Cox’s tweet saying that the hire was a great decision by her. Felt a bit desperate like “see, SOMEONE liked my decision”. I would have advised her not to do that. As they say, act like you’ve been here before.


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Agreed, she is coming off as evasive and defensive. She would do better to acknowledge her decision has been controversial, further explain her vision for the program and she plans to get there, and ask for some patience. Pretending everything has gone great and to plan is prolonging my anger and I suspect I'm not alone.


Just so we’re all clear here, Huge is suppose to acknowledge this was a controversial hire? Then introduce coach Fischer? Ya, that’d be a hell of way for the Coach Fischer era to begin!

Common, we’re W&M, we’re better than that! Jeez.
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(04-04-2019 02:19 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  ColonelEbirt, you quoted my post that said absolutely nothing about Coach Fischer and him not being the top choice and then brought that into your conversation. I never said either of those things. I think Fischer will be fine and is qualified to coach at this level. My beef is that she takes praise for certain things and avoids talking about the messy things that she created. She has no personal accountability.

32: Apologies if you are not in the camp suggesting we should have not celebrated Dane as our undisputed top choice. I should have quoted other posts instead, because there certainly were some that read something like: “I can’t wait to see how Huge spins this one publicly and makes it sound like Dane’s exactly who we need”.

To the clarification of your point (thanks for that), there are appropriate and inappropriate forums for a leader to talk about their decisions being controversial. A good leader just doesn’t make a controversial firing and then make public announcements about it being controversial. Doing so undermines her/his leadership and the decision. She/he should genuinely & empathetically thank the fired person (if appropriate, which it certainly is in this case), briefly explain the reason for the change (including as much of the truth as is appropriate for the public to know), talk about the future direction, and then never talk about it again publicly. When other stakeholders need to be managed (like in this case, the team, donors, etc), those conversations should happen in more private forums. But even then, the leader should stay on point and not go too much off message. (Those less public settings are, for example, where I would expect questions answered about whether our Tribe Club donations will fund Tony’s buyout). I know the business world far better than the college sports world, so please chime in anyone if you think it’s different, but I think this perspective on how to fire someone is relevant here too.

In this situation, Huge has said she chose to move on from Shaver because she wants to win more. And subsequent public comments have implied (though not stated as directly) that she had concerns with Shaver’s ability to connect with the players. Let’s continue to debate those two conclusions, but she owes us no further explanation on the firing nor should she publicly talk about how it was a controversial decision.


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I love it when people say, "Who cares," then go on a 4-page tangent about who may have not interviewed and what this guy and that guy contributed to Huge's decision. Samantha has really wooed some of you into blind loyalty.

I care. I care because she dumped a great coach on the eve of a promising season with absolutely no concrete candidate to replace him. And, she couldn't have approached a coach in the midst of the NCAAT (i e. the UVA assistant) because that would mean Dane wasn't really her only choice and I simply couldn't go on knowing she is also a liar.

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(04-04-2019 03:43 PM)ColonelEbirt Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 02:19 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  ColonelEbirt, you quoted my post that said absolutely nothing about Coach Fischer and him not being the top choice and then brought that into your conversation. I never said either of those things. I think Fischer will be fine and is qualified to coach at this level. My beef is that she takes praise for certain things and avoids talking about the messy things that she created. She has no personal accountability.

32: Apologies if you are not in the camp suggesting we should have not celebrated Dane as our undisputed top choice. I should have quoted other posts instead, because there certainly were some that read something like: “I can’t wait to see how Huge spins this one publicly and makes it sound like Dane’s exactly who we need”.

To the clarification of your point (thanks for that), there are appropriate and inappropriate forums for a leader to talk about their decisions being controversial. A good leader just doesn’t make a controversial firing and then make public announcements about it being controversial. Doing so undermines her/his leadership and the decision. She/he should genuinely & empathetically thank the fired person (if appropriate, which it certainly is in this case), briefly explain the reason for the change (including as much of the truth as is appropriate for the public to know), talk about the future direction, and then never talk about it again publicly. When other stakeholders need to be managed (like in this case, the team, donors, etc), those conversations should happen in more private forums. But even then, the leader should stay on point and not go too much off message. (Those less public settings are, for example, where I would expect questions answered about whether our Tribe Club donations will fund Tony’s buyout). I know the business world far better than the college sports world, so please chime in anyone if you think it’s different, but I think this perspective on how to fire someone is relevant here too.

In this situation, Huge has said she chose to move on from Shaver because she wants to win more. And subsequent public comments have implied (though not stated as directly) that she had concerns with Shaver’s ability to connect with the players. Let’s continue to debate those two conclusions, but she owes us no further explanation on the firing nor should she publicly talk about how it was a controversial decision.


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A strong leader has the support of the fans/troops, makes a solid decision, has a plan of attack, brings in the new replacement and is celebrated for that.

She has done none of that.
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(04-04-2019 07:19 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  A strong leader has the support of the fans/troops, makes a solid decision, has a plan of attack, brings in the new replacement and is celebrated for that.

She has done none of that.

She did bring in the new replacement.
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Was she celebrated?
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My mistake, I thought the leader was being celebrated for the whole thing. In either case, definitely no celebrations were had.
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(04-04-2019 03:07 PM)Tribewins Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 02:30 PM)WMTribe90 Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 01:44 PM)ColonelEbirt Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 01:27 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  Who cares? I do. Huge has consistently avoided giving information, she has manipulated situations, and is pushing the limits on what is being said and what really happened. This is not new nor is it isolated to this situation. I find it offensive that she finds it convenient to have others give her messaging, claim that the advisors were the decision makers and so on. She is simply setting it up so that if it doesn’t work out she has others to blame. Same with the consultants. Total lack of personal accountability.

That’s my opinion and I’m sticking to it. Being a Pollyanna is just what she wants the fans to be. Trust me it will be okay.


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Would someone please share just one example where an AD, upon announcing the hiring of a new coach, publicly proclaimed that the individual hired was NOT their first choice? It has never happened in the history of college sports. (I really hope someone can prove me wrong, bc that would actually be a really funny press release and/or media interview to read!). Her decision to fire Tony opened her up to plenty of very well-deserved criticism and judgment. But if you criticize her for saying that Dane was our top choice and we only offered one person, it makes you seem unreasonable. And your argument also doesn’t make sense bc if she was trying to pawn off accountability on others if Dane fails, she would definitely not be saying that Dane was the greatest thing since sliced bread. By saying that, and saying we didn’t even offer someone else, she’s hitching her wagon to his success (which she should, bc that’s the reality of the situation as soon as she fired Shaver).

I do think, however, she has shown an over-eagerness to publicly embrace opinions supporting her decision, which makes her seem self-conscious and uncertain about how she’s handled this situation. For example, I didn’t like that she retweeted Cox’s tweet saying that the hire was a great decision by her. Felt a bit desperate like “see, SOMEONE liked my decision”. I would have advised her not to do that. As they say, act like you’ve been here before.


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Agreed, she is coming off as evasive and defensive. She would do better to acknowledge her decision has been controversial, further explain her vision for the program and she plans to get there, and ask for some patience. Pretending everything has gone great and to plan is prolonging my anger and I suspect I'm not alone.


Just so we’re all clear here, Huge is suppose to acknowledge this was a controversial hire? Then introduce coach Fischer? Ya, that’d be a hell of way for the Coach Fischer era to begin!

Common, we’re W&M, we’re better than that! Jeez.

We are not all clear apparently. I was stating Huge should acknowledge (firing shaver) was controversial. Thought that was obvious, but perhaps not.

As for Dane, I hope he's great. He has my support. There is no way he was who Huge had in mind when she fired Shaver.
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