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RE: Ron Hunter to Tulane
What's interesting to me is that Hunter refused to tie academic performances to his bonuses.

A coach that doesn't care enough about academics to make it a priority is not going to be attractive in today's college basketball.

And now it's TULANE???????
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RE: Ron Hunter to Tulane
(04-01-2019 07:15 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  
(03-31-2019 08:43 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  I love how Hunter 's contract specifically stated that he can not seek, apply, and accept employment under any circumstances, and if so, GSU can file an injunction via appropriate legal proceedings to prevent Ron from coaching anywhere. Yet, Hunter admitted in his presser video that he knew he was going to take the Tulane job during the SunBelt tournament. What a joke.

In fairness, if his agent was conducting all conversations and relaying that to Hunter, (which I imagine was the case) then Hunter was not involved in it. There's plausible deniability because he's not directly in contact.

And to begin the process of taking the job, Hunter would have resigned his position and broke his contract, which means he would have had to "buy out" the rest of his contract (that's how the buyout works both ways).

Then he could engage directly with Tulane.

Yes he's a clown, but likely he didn't breach any terms of his contract because coaches/agents are really good at working around those contract frameworks...and not that it's a loophole, it's just not explicitly stated that Hunter or his representative can't contact other parties, just Hunter.

This is how a coach can say, "I have had no contact with <insert school>," and it not be a lie because they themselves have not, just their agent.

Well, the contract also forbade Hunter's agent from contacting other schools as well...but I agree that the agent probably had some ways to circumvent the rule without breaking it.
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RE: Ron Hunter to Tulane
(04-01-2019 08:23 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  What's interesting to me is that Hunter refused to tie academic performances to his bonuses.

A coach that doesn't care enough about academics to make it a priority is not going to be attractive in today's college basketball.

And now it's TULANE???????

I'd be curious if Hunter will continue to lure talented transfers around him and keep them academically eligible at Tulane.
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RE: Ron Hunter to Tulane
(04-01-2019 08:23 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  What's interesting to me is that Hunter refused to tie academic performances to his bonuses.

A coach that doesn't care enough about academics to make it a priority is not going to be attractive in today's college basketball.

And now it's TULANE???????
That is strange, and I don’t know what the real story is there.

But if there were some basic trust/distrust issues at play, then Hunter may have believed he was being set up to fail with the GPA-bonus. Grades are easily manipulated in ways that (can be) almost impossible to prove.
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RE: Ron Hunter to Tulane
(04-01-2019 04:53 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 08:23 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  What's interesting to me is that Hunter refused to tie academic performances to his bonuses.

A coach that doesn't care enough about academics to make it a priority is not going to be attractive in today's college basketball.

And now it's TULANE???????
That is strange, and I don’t know what the real story is there.

But if there were some basic trust/distrust issues at play, then Hunter may have believed he was being set up to fail with the GPA-bonus. Grades are easily manipulated in ways that (can be) almost impossible to prove.

All Georgia State demanded of Hunter was that the overall GPA be brought up to 2.5 to prevent any loss of NCAA money and scholarships. It was a very reasonable and attainable goal.

Hunter neglected academics for many years. According to the emails coming out, our AD was forced to address it in the contract.
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RE: Ron Hunter to Tulane
(04-01-2019 08:23 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  What's interesting to me is that Hunter refused to tie academic performances to his bonuses.

A coach that doesn't care enough about academics to make it a priority is not going to be attractive in today's college basketball.

And now it's TULANE???????

My exact thoughts. The irony.
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RE: Ron Hunter to Tulane
(04-01-2019 07:53 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 05:11 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 12:32 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  He didn’t want to be in Atlanta

Makes me wonder if he's been to New Orleans lately. It's not exactly what I'd call a trendy city. It's more like a war zone these days.

Locals always say that about their home tourist trap. A lot of Georgians say the same thing about Savannah, but NOLA, Charleston, and Savannah are the top 3 cities in the country to visit in 2019 according to USA Today. For some reason, people really like old buildings, good food, and alcohol.
Lol...have you been to NOLA? Sheesh.

Tulane was the fallback. Vandy was the job. And Vandy probably or anyone else probably entered the picture after he realized Cobb and GSU Athletics were not going anywhere fast. He had offers the last 6 off seasons.

Remember: Cobb is still a weasel.

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Ron Hunter to Tulane
Was being tied as a penalty.

Interesting how GSU was fine with this coach until he jilted them. Then they are delivering folders to the AJC.

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RE: Ron Hunter to Tulane
(04-01-2019 05:02 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 04:53 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 08:23 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  What's interesting to me is that Hunter refused to tie academic performances to his bonuses.

A coach that doesn't care enough about academics to make it a priority is not going to be attractive in today's college basketball.

And now it's TULANE???????
That is strange, and I don’t know what the real story is there.

But if there were some basic trust/distrust issues at play, then Hunter may have believed he was being set up to fail with the GPA-bonus. Grades are easily manipulated in ways that (can be) almost impossible to prove.

All Georgia State demanded of Hunter was that the overall GPA be brought up to 2.5 to prevent any loss of NCAA money and scholarships. It was a very reasonable and attainable goal.

Hunter neglected academics for many years. According to the emails coming out, our AD was forced to address it in the contract.
The only reason you know that is because you have a universally hated AD (except for the Football coach) who the parting MBB shot a broadside at. So Cobb decided to fire back by revealing the details of negotiations. Coaches negotiate and leave schools all the time. Chances are that half those negotiations are p u ugly but we never hear about it. We heard about this one because Cobb is prideful and wasn't going to let this coach show him up.

Hunter 's comments upon leaving were a coded message to the fan base Atlanta.

About an ineffectual AD

About leadership that talks big but has no intention of following through.

About an arena that will be at least a couple thousand seats smaller if not more than first advertised.

About a football stadium for which truthfully there is no plan or budget as to how to complete it.

About a baseball stadium which could be completed for $6M but for which there is no plan or timeline and not a dime hast been raised.

An AD who had employees paint the Football stadium as a team building exercise. Talk about cheap.

That's the real hidden in plane site story here. It's about an AD who dreamed of replacing Debbie How a NCSU, didn't get the job, and now we are stuck with him unless a soon to retire Becker and what's left of the Foundation decide to push this dude out an airlock. I don't think that happens. I think he stays here just long enough to cause so more serious damage.

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(04-01-2019 10:12 PM)panama Wrote:  Interesting how GSU was fine with this coach until he jilted them. Then they are delivering folders to the AJC.

For this, I don't blame them one bit. He fired the first shots by claiming (either by lying, or by being misled by his agent) y'all wouldn't even offer an extension.

Now, your side is most likely (only because I don't know specifics like you do) that they were pinning things as a penalty, as opposed to a bonus, which is crappy. And the admin is probably generally relieved he's gone.

But for calling him to the carpet on this one seems legit. Supporting their coach while he's on staff, but once he leaves and tries to burn them? burn 'em right back.
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RE: Ron Hunter to Tulane
(04-01-2019 10:27 PM)panama Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 05:02 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 04:53 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 08:23 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  What's interesting to me is that Hunter refused to tie academic performances to his bonuses.

A coach that doesn't care enough about academics to make it a priority is not going to be attractive in today's college basketball.

And now it's TULANE???????
That is strange, and I don’t know what the real story is there.

But if there were some basic trust/distrust issues at play, then Hunter may have believed he was being set up to fail with the GPA-bonus. Grades are easily manipulated in ways that (can be) almost impossible to prove.

All Georgia State demanded of Hunter was that the overall GPA be brought up to 2.5 to prevent any loss of NCAA money and scholarships. It was a very reasonable and attainable goal.

Hunter neglected academics for many years. According to the emails coming out, our AD was forced to address it in the contract.
The only reason you know that is because you have a universally hated AD (except for the Football coach) who the parting MBB shot a broadside at. So Cobb decided to fire back by revealing the details of negotiations. Coaches negotiate and leave schools all the time. Chances are that half those negotiations are p u ugly but we never hear about it. We heard about this one because Cobb is prideful and wasn't going to let this coach show him up.

Your other complaints about the AD aside, this debacle is all on Hunter.

#1 (and most importantly), Hunter lied about being offered an extension. No other way to spin it.

#2, Cobb could've publicly answered him immediately while it was still hot news and Hunter was being introduced at Tulane, but he properly chose to let things play out more slowly through the media. It was coming out anyway because of the FOIA requests. The most Cobb could do is expedite it a little.

#3 GSU MBB GPA's were falling steadily and it was on the verge of costing the program money and scholarships. Evidence indicates that Hunter had been asked in the past to address it but the opposite of improvement happened. His base salary was still going to rise, they were only tying a couple of bonuses to it. Hunter's ALL CAPS refusal to consider it is very telling of the emphasis he puts on academics.

#4 The revelation that he had already been talking to Tulane before the NCAA tournament and the lack of preparation showed by the team indicates that he did those young men a disservice in their final game together. I don't think any players have thanked him or wished him well on social media, which shows they think the same. The weird "grandpa" thing with Kelvin Sampson also shows that he was more interested in starting a rivalry in his upcoming job than trying to help his current one win a game.
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RE: Ron Hunter to Tulane
(04-01-2019 10:27 PM)panama Wrote:  The only reason you know that is because you have a universally hated AD (except for the Football coach) who the parting MBB shot a broadside at. So Cobb decided to fire back by revealing the details of negotiations. Coaches negotiate and leave schools all the time. Chances are that half those negotiations are p u ugly but we never hear about it. We heard about this one because Cobb is prideful and wasn't going to let this coach show him up.

Hunter 's comments upon leaving were a coded message to the fan base Atlanta.

About an ineffectual AD

About leadership that talks big but has no intention of following through.

About an arena that will be at least a couple thousand seats smaller if not more than first advertised.

About a football stadium for which truthfully there is no plan or budget as to how to complete it.

About a baseball stadium which could be completed for $6M but for which there is no plan or timeline and not a dime hast been raised.

An AD who had employees paint the Football stadium as a team building exercise. Talk about cheap.

That's the real hidden in plane site story here. It's about an AD who dreamed of replacing Debbie How a NCSU, didn't get the job, and now we are stuck with him unless a soon to retire Becker and what's left of the Foundation decide to push this dude out an airlock. I don't think that happens. I think he stays here just long enough to cause so more serious damage.

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That's a very interesting way to interpret a coach basically saying he wasn't offered any kind extension when emails were produced showing that he was.
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Hunter probably should have just gone quietly to his new job and this never would have been publicized. I've got no great love for Cobb, although I'm not quite a big a hater as some App fans. That said, given that Cobb has his own contract renewal coming up, I can't blame him for firing back on this one.
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BTW, I'm surprised no one has brought up this issue:

http://www.ncaa.org/academic-based-revenue-distribution

Cobb specifically mentioned in an email to Hunter's agent that this money on the table is more than Georgia State's post-season shares being a champion. That's obviously a concern, here.
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RE: Ron Hunter to Tulane
(04-01-2019 10:27 PM)panama Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 05:02 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 04:53 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 08:23 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  What's interesting to me is that Hunter refused to tie academic performances to his bonuses.

A coach that doesn't care enough about academics to make it a priority is not going to be attractive in today's college basketball.

And now it's TULANE???????
That is strange, and I don’t know what the real story is there.

But if there were some basic trust/distrust issues at play, then Hunter may have believed he was being set up to fail with the GPA-bonus. Grades are easily manipulated in ways that (can be) almost impossible to prove.

All Georgia State demanded of Hunter was that the overall GPA be brought up to 2.5 to prevent any loss of NCAA money and scholarships. It was a very reasonable and attainable goal.

Hunter neglected academics for many years. According to the emails coming out, our AD was forced to address it in the contract.
The only reason you know that is because you have a universally hated AD (except for the Football coach) who the parting MBB shot a broadside at. So Cobb decided to fire back by revealing the details of negotiations. Coaches negotiate and leave schools all the time. Chances are that half those negotiations are p u ugly but we never hear about it. We heard about this one because Cobb is prideful and wasn't going to let this coach show him up.

Hunter 's comments upon leaving were a coded message to the fan base Atlanta.

About an ineffectual AD

About leadership that talks big but has no intention of following through.

About an arena that will be at least a couple thousand seats smaller if not more than first advertised.

About a football stadium for which truthfully there is no plan or budget as to how to complete it.

About a baseball stadium which could be completed for $6M but for which there is no plan or timeline and not a dime hast been raised.

An AD who had employees paint the Football stadium as a team building exercise. Talk about cheap.

That's the real hidden in plane site story here. It's about an AD who dreamed of replacing Debbie How a NCSU, didn't get the job, and now we are stuck with him unless a soon to retire Becker and what's left of the Foundation decide to push this dude out an airlock. I don't think that happens. I think he stays here just long enough to cause so more serious damage.

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You are seeing it how you want to see it based on what appears to be a predisposed dislike of Cobb. Granted, you know the inner details of the AD better than fans from other programs do. But in this instance it appears that Hunter flat out lied and Cobb called him on it. Not only called him on it, but fired back a couple shots in the process. I don't see anything wrong with what Cobb did.
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