Things change, but I'm of the understanding that he's decided W&M or going pro. I don't think an exemption and transfer is something that is even on his radar. I think graduating is important to him. Hard to transfer and get enough credits to transfer in one season.
I think he plays out his senior year, graduates, and rolls the dice on the process again. Most likely he can have a long, successful career in Europe and the G league.

If we lose Knight via transfer, which I don’t think we will, then that says a lot about how poorly Huge’s decision to fire and decision to hire was because if we are being honest and her decision to move on from Tony was driven primarily by worrying abt losing players, the 2 players she would’ve worried abt the most probably are Knight and Audige. JP was gone either way seems like.

So if she tried to save those guys by firing Tony, she obviously overestimated who she could hire (a guy who could convince Chase and Nate to stay) if both guys still leave and the rest of the program was exploded in addition to that.


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(05-17-2019 01:27 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  

(05-17-2019 01:22 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  

(05-17-2019 01:17 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  

(05-17-2019 01:15 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  

(05-17-2019 01:14 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  My opinion only is you’re correct except I think Milon was closer to 50/50 and Nathan would have been a higher probability to return.


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Fair enough. I still believe Nate returns either way.

I’m hoping that you are correct. He has said as much, but I’m not sure if anything has changed.


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I'm setting myself up for disappointment, but with the lack of a palpable pre-draft buzz I don't think there is another logical outcome for Nate.
Who knows though? Maybe he is just ready to get his pro career started.

I found the Owens article quote about applying for an exemption interesting. Along with the Pierce comment at the bb dinner saying he hopes to play with Nate in the future, I’m hoping that doesn’t give Nate ideas.


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I had the privilege to sit next to Tony at the next to last lunchen
He said the he actually encouraged Nate to enter the draft to see first hand what he had to work on most before entering his senior year. He said the the way it was set up, it would be on his best interest to do this. He fully expected this senerio for him. He also expected him to return. He knew Nate was not ready for the NBA yet!!!

(05-17-2019 01:41 PM)Naptown Tribe Wrote:  If we lose Knight via transfer, which I don’t think we will, then that says a lot about how poorly Huge’s decision to fire and decision to hire was because if we are being honest and her decision to move on from Tony was driven primarily by worrying abt losing players, the 2 players she would’ve worried abt the most probably are Knight and Audige. JP was gone either way seems like.

So if she tried to save those guys by firing Tony, she obviously overestimated who she could hire (a guy who could convince Chase and Nate to stay) if both guys still leave and the rest of the program was exploded in addition to that.


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Just stop. No rational claim can be made that Huge's decision was based on saving 2 or more players. Players come and go, so what. The only reason this stuff is even floated is that 1. graduate transfers can and did occur irregardless and 2. the Huge apologists are spreading smoke that there was some reason for the dismissal that somehow supported it

If you want to keep players and recruits you do not dismiss a coach so that you then likely should grant releases, that has the opposite effect

It is what it is: she got rid of Laycock, Daly, Tony, etc. Stop sugarcoating or excusing it. Whether her decisions were right or wrong they are hers to make. All anyone can do now is to hope that those decisions work out whether by her design or luck, and the hard work of Dane London and Cunningham et al. Huge has done little but resume build of change for change sake.

(05-17-2019 01:58 PM)Odysseus Wrote:  

(05-17-2019 01:41 PM)Naptown Tribe Wrote:  If we lose Knight via transfer, which I don’t think we will, then that says a lot about how poorly Huge’s decision to fire and decision to hire was because if we are being honest and her decision to move on from Tony was driven primarily by worrying abt losing players, the 2 players she would’ve worried abt the most probably are Knight and Audige. JP was gone either way seems like.

So if she tried to save those guys by firing Tony, she obviously overestimated who she could hire (a guy who could convince Chase and Nate to stay) if both guys still leave and the rest of the program was exploded in addition to that.


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Just stop. No rational claim can be made that Huge's decision was based on saving 2 or more players. Players come and go, so what. The only reason this stuff is even floated is that 1. graduate transfers can and did occur irregardless and 2. the Huge apologists are spreading smoke that there was some reason for the dismissal that somehow supported it

If you want to keep players and recruits you do not dismiss a coach so that you then likely should grant releases, that has the opposite effect

It is what it is: she got rid of Laycock, Daly, Tony, etc. Stop sugarcoating or excusing it. Whether her decisions were right or wrong they are hers to make. All anyone can do now is to hope that those decisions work out whether by her design or luck, and the hard work of Dane London and Cunningham et al. Huge has done little but resume build of change for change sake.

I don't think football was change for change's sake. Laycock was given the ability to coach a final year, but the team was definitely on a decline for the past ~4 years.

I also don't know that there's anything more than speculation that she forced Laycock and Daly to retire.

(05-18-2019 05:37 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  

(05-17-2019 01:58 PM)Odysseus Wrote:  

(05-17-2019 01:41 PM)Naptown Tribe Wrote:  If we lose Knight via transfer, which I don’t think we will, then that says a lot about how poorly Huge’s decision to fire and decision to hire was because if we are being honest and her decision to move on from Tony was driven primarily by worrying abt losing players, the 2 players she would’ve worried abt the most probably are Knight and Audige. JP was gone either way seems like.

So if she tried to save those guys by firing Tony, she obviously overestimated who she could hire (a guy who could convince Chase and Nate to stay) if both guys still leave and the rest of the program was exploded in addition to that.


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Just stop. No rational claim can be made that Huge's decision was based on saving 2 or more players. Players come and go, so what. The only reason this stuff is even floated is that 1. graduate transfers can and did occur irregardless and 2. the Huge apologists are spreading smoke that there was some reason for the dismissal that somehow supported it

If you want to keep players and recruits you do not dismiss a coach so that you then likely should grant releases, that has the opposite effect

It is what it is: she got rid of Laycock, Daly, Tony, etc. Stop sugarcoating or excusing it. Whether her decisions were right or wrong they are hers to make. All anyone can do now is to hope that those decisions work out whether by her design or luck, and the hard work of Dane London and Cunningham et al. Huge has done little but resume build of change for change sake.

I don't think football was change for change's sake. Laycock was given the ability to coach a final year, but the team was definitely on a decline for the past ~4 years.

I also don't know that there's anything more than speculation that she forced Laycock and Daly to retire.

Yes Daly was forced out by Huge's actions and Daly did not feel good about how it was handled.

(05-18-2019 05:37 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  

(05-17-2019 01:58 PM)Odysseus Wrote:  

(05-17-2019 01:41 PM)Naptown Tribe Wrote:  If we lose Knight via transfer, which I don’t think we will, then that says a lot about how poorly Huge’s decision to fire and decision to hire was because if we are being honest and her decision to move on from Tony was driven primarily by worrying abt losing players, the 2 players she would’ve worried abt the most probably are Knight and Audige. JP was gone either way seems like.

So if she tried to save those guys by firing Tony, she obviously overestimated who she could hire (a guy who could convince Chase and Nate to stay) if both guys still leave and the rest of the program was exploded in addition to that.


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Just stop. No rational claim can be made that Huge's decision was based on saving 2 or more players. Players come and go, so what. The only reason this stuff is even floated is that 1. graduate transfers can and did occur irregardless and 2. the Huge apologists are spreading smoke that there was some reason for the dismissal that somehow supported it

If you want to keep players and recruits you do not dismiss a coach so that you then likely should grant releases, that has the opposite effect

It is what it is: she got rid of Laycock, Daly, Tony, etc. Stop sugarcoating or excusing it. Whether her decisions were right or wrong they are hers to make. All anyone can do now is to hope that those decisions work out whether by her design or luck, and the hard work of Dane London and Cunningham et al. Huge has done little but resume build of change for change sake.

I don't think football was change for change's sake. Laycock was given the ability to coach a final year, but the team was definitely on a decline for the past ~4 years.

I also don't know that there's anything more than speculation that she forced Laycock and Daly to retire.

C'mon.

John Daly on Shaver getting the axe:

"This AD will not rest until everyone is her hire. Tony was the most successful basketball coach the school has had."

You don't think she forced Daly to retire?

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(05-18-2019 08:54 PM)Tribal Wrote:  

(05-18-2019 05:37 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  

(05-17-2019 01:58 PM)Odysseus Wrote:  

(05-17-2019 01:41 PM)Naptown Tribe Wrote:  If we lose Knight via transfer, which I don’t think we will, then that says a lot about how poorly Huge’s decision to fire and decision to hire was because if we are being honest and her decision to move on from Tony was driven primarily by worrying abt losing players, the 2 players she would’ve worried abt the most probably are Knight and Audige. JP was gone either way seems like.

So if she tried to save those guys by firing Tony, she obviously overestimated who she could hire (a guy who could convince Chase and Nate to stay) if both guys still leave and the rest of the program was exploded in addition to that.


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Just stop. No rational claim can be made that Huge's decision was based on saving 2 or more players. Players come and go, so what. The only reason this stuff is even floated is that 1. graduate transfers can and did occur irregardless and 2. the Huge apologists are spreading smoke that there was some reason for the dismissal that somehow supported it

If you want to keep players and recruits you do not dismiss a coach so that you then likely should grant releases, that has the opposite effect

It is what it is: she got rid of Laycock, Daly, Tony, etc. Stop sugarcoating or excusing it. Whether her decisions were right or wrong they are hers to make. All anyone can do now is to hope that those decisions work out whether by her design or luck, and the hard work of Dane London and Cunningham et al. Huge has done little but resume build of change for change sake.

I don't think football was change for change's sake. Laycock was given the ability to coach a final year, but the team was definitely on a decline for the past ~4 years.

I also don't know that there's anything more than speculation that she forced Laycock and Daly to retire.

C'mon.

John Daly on Shaver getting the axe:

"This AD will not rest until everyone is her hire. Tony was the most successful basketball coach the school has had."

You don't think she forced Daly to retire?

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Holy ****. Definitely missed that quote the first time around.

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(05-18-2019 08:54 PM)Tribal Wrote:  

(05-18-2019 05:37 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  

(05-17-2019 01:58 PM)Odysseus Wrote:  

(05-17-2019 01:41 PM)Naptown Tribe Wrote:  If we lose Knight via transfer, which I don’t think we will, then that says a lot about how poorly Huge’s decision to fire and decision to hire was because if we are being honest and her decision to move on from Tony was driven primarily by worrying abt losing players, the 2 players she would’ve worried abt the most probably are Knight and Audige. JP was gone either way seems like.

So if she tried to save those guys by firing Tony, she obviously overestimated who she could hire (a guy who could convince Chase and Nate to stay) if both guys still leave and the rest of the program was exploded in addition to that.


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Just stop. No rational claim can be made that Huge's decision was based on saving 2 or more players. Players come and go, so what. The only reason this stuff is even floated is that 1. graduate transfers can and did occur irregardless and 2. the Huge apologists are spreading smoke that there was some reason for the dismissal that somehow supported it

If you want to keep players and recruits you do not dismiss a coach so that you then likely should grant releases, that has the opposite effect

It is what it is: she got rid of Laycock, Daly, Tony, etc. Stop sugarcoating or excusing it. Whether her decisions were right or wrong they are hers to make. All anyone can do now is to hope that those decisions work out whether by her design or luck, and the hard work of Dane London and Cunningham et al. Huge has done little but resume build of change for change sake.

I don't think football was change for change's sake. Laycock was given the ability to coach a final year, but the team was definitely on a decline for the past ~4 years.

I also don't know that there's anything more than speculation that she forced Laycock and Daly to retire.

C'mon.

John Daly on Shaver getting the axe:

"This AD will not rest until everyone is her hire. Tony was the most successful basketball coach the school has had."

You don't think she forced Daly to retire?

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Hadn't seen that quote before

https://mobile.twitter.com/cstrat25/stat...9841735681

Just saw that LJ's hardship request was granted and that he is eligible to play for UMBC this season.

Based on what? If true, I no longer understand the hardship rules. Was he injured last year?

(10-26-2019 06:43 AM)WM Beancounter Wrote:  Based on what? If true, I no longer understand the hardship rules. Was he injured last year?

They haven't said anything publicly, but it has gotten easier and easier to gain eligibility over the recent years.

They've gotten fairly lenient at granting a waiver when there is a coaching change. I imagine Audige will get it, also, though no indication whether Northwestern submitted it or not.

(10-26-2019 09:42 AM)Tribeheart Wrote:  They've gotten fairly lenient at granting a waiver when there is a coaching change. I imagine Audige will get it, also, though no indication whether Northwestern submitted it or not.

Audige is listed as a redshirt for Northwestern, but they might list him like that if he had a waiver request pending.