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Ok, I think I get it. Slow and steady wins the race. Mick will continue to do things his way. Develop players slowly after a red shirt year,. Only recruit his kind of player. Yada Yada Yada. So I expect our next Sweet Sixteen will come in the year 2026, or there about. Great. Can't wait. Should be a fun ride.

(03-22-2019 07:35 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(03-22-2019 07:32 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(03-22-2019 06:56 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(03-22-2019 05:54 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(03-22-2019 05:40 PM)skyblade Wrote:  One of less then 10 coaches who has made 9 straight NCAA tournaments, who is averaging 30 wins over his last 3 years. Yeah, I'm sure there are plenty of teams that haven't made an NCAA tournament in multiple years who would hate to have him.

If Mick wanted to coach outside of Cincinnati he could do so easily and get paid more then he is here.

Bwahahaha!

OK.

So I'm going to cross-the-streams here for a second...

Here's what's happening in the "Power" (I'll limit my query to that subset) Men's Basketball Openings:

-Alabama announced that they are buying out Avery Johnson's contract after his team lost to Norfolk State in the 1st Round of the NIT.
-Vanderbilt fired their HC, Bryce Drew, after going 0-18 in the SEC this season.
-Nebraska is reportedly set to fire their HC just as soon as they are done playing (NIT, I believe).
-Supposedly, Iowa State's HC is the target of Alabama (he was an Assistant there before taking the Iowa State job).
-There is some talk among B12 circles that Kansas State ***may*** be looking at parting ways with Bruce Weber (K-State lost in the 1st Round of the NCAA) because he has "rubbed" pretty much everybody "the wrong way."

I'm sure there will be other firings and openings that I have missed. My point is NOT "which jobs would Mick like/take?" but WHICH OF THESE JOBS WILL MICK CRONIN'S NAME SURFACE ON AS A CANDIDATE?

I'd be willing to bet...with even more certainty than I picked UC to lose to Iowa...that the answer will be NONE. I'd be willing to be that NONE of these "Power Jobs" that would be "so desperate just to make the tournament" will ask permission from UC to talk to Cronin. I'd even be willing to bet that Cronin's name doesn't even surface in connection to ANY of these openings.

Just sayin'.

I think Cronin has generally made it clear he is happy hear and not interested in leaving. His daughter had grown up here and he is settled in. Teams won't come calling because they know he has no interest in picking up.

That’s not even close to the reason teams will not come calling

+1

I still think the biggest issue is talent. Not enough talent to stop elite offenses. Not enough talent to get protected seeds more often than not.

I thought Iowa was a crappy draw and today’s result was disappointing but this was a very successful season considering the overall roster going in. The thing going forward is that they have to continue to upgrade the talent across the board.

My concern is that they basically played six players. I will give the freshmen a pass but that way too many roster spots occupied by players that give you very little. Every year it’s the same problem with the only difference being our top six from the previous season featured three guys currently playing pro ball and another likely pro. If our top six is almost elite we have a real shot at advancing if can solve our defense.

(03-22-2019 08:05 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  I still think the biggest issue is talent. Not enough talent to stop elite offenses. Not enough talent to get protected seeds more often than not.

I thought Iowa was a crappy draw and today’s result was disappointing but this was a very successful season considering the overall roster going in. The thing going forward is that they have to continue to upgrade the talent across the board.

My concern is that they basically played six players. I will give the freshmen a pass but that way too many roster spots occupied by players that give you very little. Every year it’s the same problem with the only difference being our top six from the previous season featured three guys currently playing pro ball and another likely pro. If our top six is almost elite we have a real shot at advancing if can solve our defense.

Yup, Iowa was the highest rated Kenpom 10 seed (36, compared to us at 33). Today was a tossup, they hit threes, we didn't and we lost.

I agree that depth is an issue. Cronin always talks about building depth for tournament play, but hasn't done a good job of actually doing it. Last year we had a little more depth as Scott was a solid defender off the bench and not completely inept on offense (but also backed up our best player, so didn't want him out there too much). This year the only reliable player off the bench was Broome (and even he wasn't all that consistent).

Might be a case of Mick trying to give too many guys minutes. He rotated Moore and Frederick's as the main backups at the 2-4 and Nsoseme/Diarra at the 5. We never really found a reliable way to give Scott a rest. Giving more guys minutes may make them all happy, but you end up with 4 guys who didn't develop enough to be reliable instead of 2 reliable backups and 2 bench-warmers. Maybe it wouldn't have made a difference. All 4 backups will be back next year (and 1 should be starting), so maybe it will pay off next year when we should have a top 10 team.

Let me add this, the talent level had been increasing until the past two recruiting class. I hope curtis can make an immediate impact.

Troy, Gary Clark, Evans, and Jarron were ready year one to help. Kieth wasn’t ready last year and we never got see Logan Johnson get real minutes this year.

This group is desperate for an impact player to come in and take the load off Jarron. Mick didn’t bring in that guy this year but he desperately needs to find another impact player along with Curtis.

We need more Jarron, Troy, Jacob, and Gary level players. A few Kyle and Cane level players aka solid transfer. Some Brooks, Scott, and Williams level players but no reaches. Fredricks, and Moore (Trevor and Quadri).

We had the player of the year in conference but not a single other all league player. That is almost embarrassing in some ways.

We are such a joke in the tournament. This is a fact.

2nd round is for the fans

College basketball success is measured in one way and one way only: the tournament. Mick has made 1 S16 in 13 years. Thus, he is a demonstrable failure.

(03-22-2019 01:44 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(03-22-2019 01:43 PM)bearcat54 Wrote:  

(03-22-2019 01:25 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  Just so painfully obvious that everything about him reeks mid major. His recruiting, his offense, his defense, his in game coaching, nothing is gonna change. His gaudy record would be half of what it is if we consistently played in a major conference. If mid major season or conf. titles are your cup of tea, then he is your guy, I WANT MUCH MORE. WE DESERVE MORE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we are doing just fine. We lost to a very good big 10 team that shoots 3's exceptionally. Coach Cronin brought UC out of the ashes of oblivion after taking over a disastrous non-recruiting year by andy kennedy. We'll be just fine. We have the most victories over the past 3 yrs except for Gonzaga. 9 straight NCAA appearances, dude. Expecting uc to win the national championship every year is not going to happen. Kentucky doesn't even see that happen with all their money power and cheating. Maybe you would rather see UC in the NIT and winning that one. I DON'T THINK SO. Congrats on a great year, Coach Cronin, and next year might be even a better year. Continue with your recruiting of good, decent young men that love school. We see where Huggies is at now.

that was something like 1-7 down the stretch with a 20pt loss to Rutgers.

Please.

and Iowa rediscovered themselves in the Tournament. Just like UCLA did years ago against a much better UC TEAM that Huggins coached. We are just fine. Next years team could be much better if everybody returns along with 2 good redshirts. I'd like to see a graduate transfer guard come in next season to help with Logan Johnson. But we'll be fine either ways.

(03-22-2019 01:54 PM)chatcat Wrote:  

(03-22-2019 01:43 PM)bearcat54 Wrote:  

(03-22-2019 01:25 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  Just so painfully obvious that everything about him reeks mid major. His recruiting, his offense, his defense, his in game coaching, nothing is gonna change. His gaudy record would be half of what it is if we consistently played in a major conference. If mid major season or conf. titles are your cup of tea, then he is your guy, I WANT MUCH MORE. WE DESERVE MORE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we are doing just fine. We lost to a very good big 10 team that shoots 3's exceptionally. Coach Cronin brought UC out of the ashes of oblivion after taking over a disastrous non-recruiting year by andy kennedy. We'll be just fine. We have the most victories over the past 3 yrs except for Gonzaga. 9 straight NCAA appearances, dude. Expecting uc to win the national championship every year is not going to happen. Kentucky doesn't even see that happen with all their money power and cheating. Maybe you would rather see UC in the NIT and winning that one. I DON'T THINK SO. Congrats on a great year, Coach Cronin, and next year might be even a better year. Continue with your recruiting of good, decent young men that love school. We see where Huggies is at now.

I don't expect a national championship every year, I would just like to be in contention once in a while. It's not going to happen under Cronin.

and after a final four and elite eight, Huggins failed to come close to a NC in all his UC years. Few teams that don't cheat will ever get chances today to compete for a final 4. Those that do are considered lucky. If Cronin ever left UC than be prepared to go on a coach search every few years if news ones are successful. Today, most coaches keep looking for more money and perks.

(03-22-2019 08:05 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  I still think the biggest issue is talent. Not enough talent to stop elite offenses. Not enough talent to get protected seeds more often than not.

I thought Iowa was a crappy draw and today’s result was disappointing but this was a very successful season considering the overall roster going in. The thing going forward is that they have to continue to upgrade the talent across the board.

My concern is that they basically played six players. I will give the freshmen a pass but that way too many roster spots occupied by players that give you very little. Every year it’s the same problem with the only difference being our top six from the previous season featured three guys currently playing pro ball and another likely pro. If our top six is almost elite we have a real shot at advancing if can solve our defense.

well, UC beat Houston and Houston could make the final four with some breaks. Houston is an outstanding college bb team this season.
They could win it all.

(03-22-2019 08:28 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  We are such a joke in the tournament. This is a fact.

count how many schools have played in 9 straight NCAA tourneys.....hint....you will need both hands.....I will take 9 in a row anytime. A lot of schools go to one every 15 years or so. I bet you would be on suicide watch if that was us. Learn to count your blessings and praise THE LORD for what we have here.

(03-22-2019 09:19 PM)bearcat54 Wrote:  

(03-22-2019 01:54 PM)chatcat Wrote:  

(03-22-2019 01:43 PM)bearcat54 Wrote:  

(03-22-2019 01:25 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  Just so painfully obvious that everything about him reeks mid major. His recruiting, his offense, his defense, his in game coaching, nothing is gonna change. His gaudy record would be half of what it is if we consistently played in a major conference. If mid major season or conf. titles are your cup of tea, then he is your guy, I WANT MUCH MORE. WE DESERVE MORE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we are doing just fine. We lost to a very good big 10 team that shoots 3's exceptionally. Coach Cronin brought UC out of the ashes of oblivion after taking over a disastrous non-recruiting year by andy kennedy. We'll be just fine. We have the most victories over the past 3 yrs except for Gonzaga. 9 straight NCAA appearances, dude. Expecting uc to win the national championship every year is not going to happen. Kentucky doesn't even see that happen with all their money power and cheating. Maybe you would rather see UC in the NIT and winning that one. I DON'T THINK SO. Congrats on a great year, Coach Cronin, and next year might be even a better year. Continue with your recruiting of good, decent young men that love school. We see where Huggies is at now.

I don't expect a national championship every year, I would just like to be in contention once in a while. It's not going to happen under Cronin.

and after a final four and elite eight, Huggins failed to come close to a NC in all his UC years. Few teams that don't cheat will ever get chances today to compete for a final 4. Those that do are considered lucky. If Cronin ever left UC than be prepared to go on a coach search every few years if news ones are successful. Today, most coaches keep looking for more money and perks.

So we should be satisfied with one SS every decade because if Mick leaves we can't keep a coach? Who says? In 30 years UC has had 2 coaches...sounds like a pretty desirable job to have and stay at.

(03-22-2019 09:19 PM)bearcat54 Wrote:  

(03-22-2019 01:54 PM)chatcat Wrote:  

(03-22-2019 01:43 PM)bearcat54 Wrote:  

(03-22-2019 01:25 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  Just so painfully obvious that everything about him reeks mid major. His recruiting, his offense, his defense, his in game coaching, nothing is gonna change. His gaudy record would be half of what it is if we consistently played in a major conference. If mid major season or conf. titles are your cup of tea, then he is your guy, I WANT MUCH MORE. WE DESERVE MORE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we are doing just fine. We lost to a very good big 10 team that shoots 3's exceptionally. Coach Cronin brought UC out of the ashes of oblivion after taking over a disastrous non-recruiting year by andy kennedy. We'll be just fine. We have the most victories over the past 3 yrs except for Gonzaga. 9 straight NCAA appearances, dude. Expecting uc to win the national championship every year is not going to happen. Kentucky doesn't even see that happen with all their money power and cheating. Maybe you would rather see UC in the NIT and winning that one. I DON'T THINK SO. Congrats on a great year, Coach Cronin, and next year might be even a better year. Continue with your recruiting of good, decent young men that love school. We see where Huggies is at now.

I don't expect a national championship every year, I would just like to be in contention once in a while. It's not going to happen under Cronin.

and after a final four and elite eight, Huggins failed to come close to a NC in all his UC years. Few teams that don't cheat will ever get chances today to compete for a final 4. Those that do are considered lucky. If Cronin ever left UC than be prepared to go on a coach search every few years if news ones are successful. Today, most coaches keep looking for more money and perks.

I notice you conveniently leave out the year Kenyon Martin broke his leg. No one can tell me that that team would not have competed for a championship.

I also see where Cronin threw Broome and Jennifer under the bus talking about how they were lightly recruited but gave it their all. Just not darned talented enough, eh Mick? This is what makes me dislike him more and more.

(03-22-2019 09:36 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  I also see where Cronin threw Broome and Jennifer under the bus talking about how they were lightly recruited but gave it their all. Just not darned talented enough, eh Mick? This is what makes me dislike him more and more.

Let's face it. Cronin could say his favorite color is yellow and you'd probably find a reason to dislike him more. He said they weren't great athletes but gave it their all and lead this team, I'd say that's more of a complement to their personality and dedication.

(03-22-2019 09:32 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(03-22-2019 09:19 PM)bearcat54 Wrote:  

(03-22-2019 01:54 PM)chatcat Wrote:  

(03-22-2019 01:43 PM)bearcat54 Wrote:  

(03-22-2019 01:25 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  Just so painfully obvious that everything about him reeks mid major. His recruiting, his offense, his defense, his in game coaching, nothing is gonna change. His gaudy record would be half of what it is if we consistently played in a major conference. If mid major season or conf. titles are your cup of tea, then he is your guy, I WANT MUCH MORE. WE DESERVE MORE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we are doing just fine. We lost to a very good big 10 team that shoots 3's exceptionally. Coach Cronin brought UC out of the ashes of oblivion after taking over a disastrous non-recruiting year by andy kennedy. We'll be just fine. We have the most victories over the past 3 yrs except for Gonzaga. 9 straight NCAA appearances, dude. Expecting uc to win the national championship every year is not going to happen. Kentucky doesn't even see that happen with all their money power and cheating. Maybe you would rather see UC in the NIT and winning that one. I DON'T THINK SO. Congrats on a great year, Coach Cronin, and next year might be even a better year. Continue with your recruiting of good, decent young men that love school. We see where Huggies is at now.

I don't expect a national championship every year, I would just like to be in contention once in a while. It's not going to happen under Cronin.

and after a final four and elite eight, Huggins failed to come close to a NC in all his UC years. Few teams that don't cheat will ever get chances today to compete for a final 4. Those that do are considered lucky. If Cronin ever left UC than be prepared to go on a coach search every few years if news ones are successful. Today, most coaches keep looking for more money and perks.

I notice you conveniently leave out the year Kenyon Martin broke his leg. No one can tell me that that team would not have competed for a championship.

He should have recruited better and had backups ready to go. Relying on one player to win you the game is bad coaching.

(03-22-2019 09:41 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(03-22-2019 09:36 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  I also see where Cronin threw Broome and Jennifer under the bus talking about how they were lightly recruited but gave it their all. Just not darned talented enough, eh Mick? This is what makes me dislike him more and more.

Let's face it. Cronin could say his favorite color is yellow and you'd probably find a reason to dislike him more. He said they weren't great athletes but gave it their all and lead this team, I'd say that's more of a complement to their personality and dedication.

Were not great athletes. That's class right there Skyblade. U are so far up Micks azz I don't know where you begin and he ends. Are you kidding me? Would you say that about the kids you were coaching? UNREAL. Notice he also did not say a word about his piss poor coaching effort as usual, but he never takes ownership of anything so its not surprising.

(03-22-2019 09:42 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(03-22-2019 09:32 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(03-22-2019 09:19 PM)bearcat54 Wrote:  

(03-22-2019 01:54 PM)chatcat Wrote:  

(03-22-2019 01:43 PM)bearcat54 Wrote:  we are doing just fine. We lost to a very good big 10 team that shoots 3's exceptionally. Coach Cronin brought UC out of the ashes of oblivion after taking over a disastrous non-recruiting year by andy kennedy. We'll be just fine. We have the most victories over the past 3 yrs except for Gonzaga. 9 straight NCAA appearances, dude. Expecting uc to win the national championship every year is not going to happen. Kentucky doesn't even see that happen with all their money power and cheating. Maybe you would rather see UC in the NIT and winning that one. I DON'T THINK SO. Congrats on a great year, Coach Cronin, and next year might be even a better year. Continue with your recruiting of good, decent young men that love school. We see where Huggies is at now.

I don't expect a national championship every year, I would just like to be in contention once in a while. It's not going to happen under Cronin.

and after a final four and elite eight, Huggins failed to come close to a NC in all his UC years. Few teams that don't cheat will ever get chances today to compete for a final 4. Those that do are considered lucky. If Cronin ever left UC than be prepared to go on a coach search every few years if news ones are successful. Today, most coaches keep looking for more money and perks.

I notice you conveniently leave out the year Kenyon Martin broke his leg. No one can tell me that that team would not have competed for a championship.

He should have recruited better and had backups ready to go. Relying on one player to win you the game is bad coaching.

I have heard this idiotic argument before, and it just proves you have no concept of basketball. That team played 30 games, a certain way, then had less than a week to totally change everything. Ya think there might have been some bumps in getting that whole thing going?

(03-22-2019 09:42 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(03-22-2019 09:32 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(03-22-2019 09:19 PM)bearcat54 Wrote:  

(03-22-2019 01:54 PM)chatcat Wrote:  

(03-22-2019 01:43 PM)bearcat54 Wrote:  we are doing just fine. We lost to a very good big 10 team that shoots 3's exceptionally. Coach Cronin brought UC out of the ashes of oblivion after taking over a disastrous non-recruiting year by andy kennedy. We'll be just fine. We have the most victories over the past 3 yrs except for Gonzaga. 9 straight NCAA appearances, dude. Expecting uc to win the national championship every year is not going to happen. Kentucky doesn't even see that happen with all their money power and cheating. Maybe you would rather see UC in the NIT and winning that one. I DON'T THINK SO. Congrats on a great year, Coach Cronin, and next year might be even a better year. Continue with your recruiting of good, decent young men that love school. We see where Huggies is at now.

I don't expect a national championship every year, I would just like to be in contention once in a while. It's not going to happen under Cronin.

and after a final four and elite eight, Huggins failed to come close to a NC in all his UC years. Few teams that don't cheat will ever get chances today to compete for a final 4. Those that do are considered lucky. If Cronin ever left UC than be prepared to go on a coach search every few years if news ones are successful. Today, most coaches keep looking for more money and perks.

I notice you conveniently leave out the year Kenyon Martin broke his leg. No one can tell me that that team would not have competed for a championship.

He should have recruited better and had backups ready to go. Relying on one player to win you the game is bad coaching.

Mick pretty much relied on Jarron. If Jaron had a bad game (like today) UC struggled. Is that bad coaching too?

BTW Huggins had the National POY on his team...most coaches would run there offense through that guy...(Zion for Duke comes to mind). Huggins also got nice offensive output from Lo, Kenny, DerMarr and Pete. It was not all the KMart show but Kenyon was the centerpiece.