I would be for expanding to 9 or 10 on each side if that meant an end to crossover games in everything but the football and basketball championship. It's not an unreasonable proposal.

The basketball tournaments could be split. The two winners could meet in a championship game. Higher seed hosts. Why not? With 20 teams, the NCAA might grant two automatic bids.

No more East schools having to come to Texas, and more inventory to sell networks. It would be like two separate conferences under one banner.

(03-29-2019 02:21 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I would be for expanding to 9 or 10 on each side if that meant an end to crossover games in everything but the football and basketball championship. It's not an unreasonable proposal.

The basketball tournaments could be split. The two winners could meet in a championship game. Higher seed hosts. Why not? With 20 teams, the NCAA might grant two automatic bids.

No more East schools having to come to Texas, and more inventory to sell networks. It would be like two separate conferences under one banner.

2 bids for 20 teams is better than 1 bid for 14. I might take that deal.

(03-29-2019 01:28 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(03-28-2019 06:52 AM)ODUODUODU Wrote:  

(03-27-2019 04:13 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  If I'm CUSA facing being left behind with Marshall, USM, UAB, UTEP, and Rice, my first decision is to guaran-damn-tee that membership does not exceed 12.

With that in mind, the first phone calls I make are ODU, App State, Georgia Southern, Arkansas State, FAU, and then hold a dog and pony show with invites to UNT, JMU, Georgia State, Troy, ULaLa, and a handful of others, picking only two from that field.

Sounds like a sound strategy especially the not to exceed 12.

Agree on the hard stop at 12 members. But I would approach a bit differently. We consistently note the lack of real rivalries in C-USA. What if we had taken an approach to ask each of the five schools to bring forward their favorite for an invitation, a member that made a lot of sense to that particular school? And then vetted those five, and added two more to balance as best as possible geographically?

I am curious what fans of Marshall, UAB, Southern Miss, and UTEP would think. For Rice, it is also difficult to predict. I think Rice would have reached into Louisiana, and gone with Louisiana Tech (history in the WAC) or Louisiana (good baseball, I-10 rivalry, lots of Houston alumni).

Could Marshall have convinced a MAC school to join? If UAB was looking for the strongest basketball program available, would that have been Middle Tennessee or Western Kentucky? Is Southern Miss looking at the same Louisiana schools as Rice? Does UTEP sponsor UTSA?

I like this!

I'll give it a shot.

• UTEP
• New Mexico State
• Rice
• UNT or ULaLa
• USM
• LA Tech
• Marshall
• Ohio
• UAB
• Troy
• App State
• Georgia Southern
  

(03-29-2019 09:03 AM)DustMyBroom Wrote:  

(03-29-2019 01:25 AM)grapes Wrote:  

(03-27-2019 08:04 AM)Noodles Wrote:  

(03-25-2019 10:24 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-20-2019 09:52 PM)Noodles Wrote:  Couldn't you just enjoy your good fortune without rubbing it in our faces?
No, you can't.
Because you're all a bunch of lying, traitorous, bastards.

I wish USM had been located in Biloxi/Gulfport....Casinos, Beaches, Tourists with money, and a better TV Market.

that would have made USM more appealing.

Memphis is appealing? To whom? And why? Thugs and crack whores, possibly?

Excuse me?

You're from Mississippi sweetheart and you have the nerve to talk negatively about anyone?

-Worst Economy in the nation. Lowest gross domestic product per capita of any of the states.
-The poorest state in the nation with more than 24% of people living below the poverty rate.
-The most obese state in the nation with 37% of people having major health issues, resulting in numerous diseases, cancers, coronary artery diseases, type 2 diabetes, strokes, as well as significant economic costs.
-The dumbest state being dead last at high school completion at 77%
-One of the most unemployed state in the country at 4.8%
-Highest teen pregnancy rate in the nation so not only are the kids poor their having children...

Mississippi is literally the worst state in our country so you can shut your mouth.

There’s a number of things I could point out here that would make you look like an idiot trying to prop themself up at someone else’s expense, but all anyone needs to know is from Memphis and living in Chicago. No wonder you are talking down about somewhere else...you are literally a Detroit away from hitting the trifecta.

Please point whatever you are speaking about out at your attempt to make ME look like the idiot Mr. Mississippi. Correct I live in Chicago for work and im from Memphis. Both are great cities. If you saw we're I lived you would gasp in aw because Mississippi can only dream. No wonder i'm talking down about someone else you say? Read the thread sweetie and its clear my response is because of a Mississippian talking smack about Memphis, but hey same concept you tried to give right? No wonder y'all are talking smack you're from Mississippi.. thats more accurate..

(03-29-2019 03:28 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  I like this!

I'll give it a shot.

• UTEP
• New Mexico State
• Rice
• UNT or ULaLa
• USM
• LA Tech
• Marshall
• Ohio
• UAB
• Troy
• App State
• Georgia Southern
  

I don't think Rice goes UNT 6-7 years ago for the single fact that UNT is not fielding a baseball program.

(03-29-2019 04:07 PM)grapes Wrote:  

(03-29-2019 09:03 AM)DustMyBroom Wrote:  

(03-29-2019 01:25 AM)grapes Wrote:  

(03-27-2019 08:04 AM)Noodles Wrote:  

(03-25-2019 10:24 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I wish USM had been located in Biloxi/Gulfport....Casinos, Beaches, Tourists with money, and a better TV Market.

that would have made USM more appealing.

Memphis is appealing? To whom? And why? Thugs and crack whores, possibly?

Excuse me?

You're from Mississippi sweetheart and you have the nerve to talk negatively about anyone?

-Worst Economy in the nation. Lowest gross domestic product per capita of any of the states.
-The poorest state in the nation with more than 24% of people living below the poverty rate.
-The most obese state in the nation with 37% of people having major health issues, resulting in numerous diseases, cancers, coronary artery diseases, type 2 diabetes, strokes, as well as significant economic costs.
-The dumbest state being dead last at high school completion at 77%
-One of the most unemployed state in the country at 4.8%
-Highest teen pregnancy rate in the nation so not only are the kids poor their having children...

Mississippi is literally the worst state in our country so you can shut your mouth.

There’s a number of things I could point out here that would make you look like an idiot trying to prop themself up at someone else’s expense, but all anyone needs to know is from Memphis and living in Chicago. No wonder you are talking down about somewhere else...you are literally a Detroit away from hitting the trifecta.

Please point whatever you are speaking about out at your attempt to make ME look like the idiot Mr. Mississippi. Correct I live in Chicago for work and im from Memphis. Both are great cities. If you saw we're I lived you would gasp in aw because Mississippi can only dream. No wonder i'm talking down about someone else you say? Read the thread sweetie and its clear my response is because of a Mississippian talking smack about Memphis, but hey same concept you tried to give right? No wonder y'all are talking smack you're from Mississippi.. thats more accurate..

He aims low...and you think the best thing to do is try to aim lower? You, who went to school in a city who owes so much of its cultural identity to Mississippi?

You are far too busy shoveling to realize all that dirt’s just landing in your own hair.

(03-29-2019 05:30 PM)DustMyBroom Wrote:  He aims low...and you think the best thing to do is try to aim lower? You, who went to school in a city who owes so much of its cultural identity to Mississippi?

You are far too busy shoveling to realize all that dirt’s just landing in your own hair.

By the standards of music and literature I am proud that Memphis owes much of its culture to Mississippi and is a far more interesting place for it. I mean the Delta has been called "the South's south", "the most southern place on earth", etc. Personally, I'm glad that the city is more Mississippi than the Appalachia, eastern half of Tennessee.

People can disagree and that's fine too.

Just don't call us part of Arkansas, lol.

(03-29-2019 05:30 PM)DustMyBroom Wrote:  He aims low...and you think the best thing to do is try to aim lower? You, who went to school in a city who owes so much of its cultural identity to Mississippi?

You are far too busy shoveling to realize all that dirt’s just landing in your own hair.

We don't owe Mississippi anything. I will agree their are similarities with our historic music such as rock and roll and blues but the state of Mississippi didn't hand us these things on a platter. We created our own culture.

There's no dirt in my hair dude wtf

(03-29-2019 05:47 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(03-29-2019 05:30 PM)DustMyBroom Wrote:  He aims low...and you think the best thing to do is try to aim lower? You, who went to school in a city who owes so much of its cultural identity to Mississippi?

You are far too busy shoveling to realize all that dirt’s just landing in your own hair.

By the standards of music and literature I am proud that Memphis owes much of its culture to Mississippi and is a far more interesting place for it. I mean the Delta has been called "the South's south", "the most southern place on earth", etc. Personally, I'm glad that the city is more Mississippi than the Appalachia, eastern half of Tennessee.

People can disagree and that's fine too.

Just don't call us part of Arkansas, lol.

Memphis owes just as much of it's culture to Middle Tennessee, Eastern Tennessee, Virginia and North Carolina.

clt says AOC is a money making machine.

Has AAC explained how the money will be divided between the newbies and the leftovers?

(06-11-2022 02:31 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  Has AAC explained how the money will be divided between the newbies and the leftovers?

I believe I read that the leftovers will continue to get their normal payout and the newcomers will get around $2.2 million per year until the current contract runs out (2031 I think?). After that, all programs would get an equal share of the new deal.

(03-19-2019 04:25 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-19-2019 04:15 PM)odu09 Wrote:  Why is everyone banking on the B12 to expand? Why would they? AAC seems pretty stable to me.

I think the main theory now is they won't expand (they went through that dog and pony show a year or two ago) but will end up getting raided of their valuable assets (Texas, Oklahoma, etc.) by the PAC or ACC and basically create a P4 and demote the B12 like the Big East/AAC was. Then the B12 would backfill. We'll see but without any consolidation of the power conferences I don't see any further realignment happening unless we rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic.

The Big12 would only expand if they could generate much greater tv viewership such as a coast to coast conference. That could add much greater value to ESPN or whoever negotiates the winning contract. It would be the only such conference. Of course if teams are poached they would need to do likewise.

(06-11-2022 03:07 PM)freshtop Wrote:  

(06-11-2022 02:31 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  Has AAC explained how the money will be divided between the newbies and the leftovers?

I believe I read that the leftovers will continue to get their normal payout and the newcomers will get around $2.2 million per year until the current contract runs out (2031 I think?). After that, all programs would get an equal share of the new deal.

The overall value of the primary media rights contract remained the same. (Because about 40% of football TV viewers are walking out, but taking in six replacements upped the overall inventory 30% from the 11-team inventory.

The eight legacy teams will get an average annual value of $7 million over the twelve years of the contract.
The six inbound teams, replacing three outbound teams will get half of that each -- averaging out to $3.5 million per year for each.

What the escalators are in detail -- we still can't say for sure til we see '21-'22 revenue figures from tax documents about a year from now. But guessing 5% or so, that ought to look like just under $6 million for the legacy teams and $2.5-$3 million for the inbound teams in 2023.

That's the math (with some assumptions built in) that backs up Pete Thamel saying: "the [new members'] television revenue will be more than $2 million at the start of the deal and rise significantly from there. Incumbent AAC members are still expected to average about $7 million annually over the course of the current ESPN television deal, which runs through 2031-32."

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-the-aac...15069.html

that was my understanding the 6 new schools split the money from the 3 that are leaving. That likely means 3ish now and 4ish at the end of the TV deal old schools get exactly what the would have gotten, plus the 54 mil over the next 14 years. The new schools basically get 4x what they used to get, plus much better exposure.

The exposure means much more than money for mid-major conferences. A media payout of about $3 million only represents roughly 8 or 9% of Rice's annual athletics budget.

Playing on ESPN and ESPN2 gives The American schools exposure to casual fans and prospective recruits that the other mid-majors don't have. We can talk 'payout' all day long, but it's the exposure that matters. Being hidden on CBS Sports or on the internet gets no one anywhere. Very few fans are accessing that content. It killed CUSA.

Mid-major programs are going to have to focus on product, regional rivalries, and basketball to increase revenue. There's very little money for any of us in television.

(06-12-2022 11:13 PM)Ourland Wrote:  The exposure means much more than money for mid-major conferences. A media payout of about $3 million only represents roughly 8 or 9% of Rice's annual athletics budget.

Playing on ESPN and ESPN2 gives The American schools exposure to casual fans and prospective recruits that the other mid-majors don't have. We can talk 'payout' all day long, but it's the exposure that matters. Being hidden on CBS Sports or on the internet gets no one anywhere. Very few fans are accessing that content. It killed CUSA.

Mid-major programs are going to have to focus on product, regional rivalries, and basketball to increase revenue. There's very little money for any of us in television.

We’ve also got some momentum once again replacing Houston in the AAC, which has been picked up by local media. The increased exposure will help Rice.

(06-13-2022 09:48 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(06-12-2022 11:13 PM)Ourland Wrote:  The exposure means much more than money for mid-major conferences. A media payout of about $3 million only represents roughly 8 or 9% of Rice's annual athletics budget.

Playing on ESPN and ESPN2 gives The American schools exposure to casual fans and prospective recruits that the other mid-majors don't have. We can talk 'payout' all day long, but it's the exposure that matters. Being hidden on CBS Sports or on the internet gets no one anywhere. Very few fans are accessing that content. It killed CUSA.

Mid-major programs are going to have to focus on product, regional rivalries, and basketball to increase revenue. There's very little money for any of us in television.

We’ve also got some momentum once again replacing Houston in the AAC, which has been picked up by local media. The increased exposure will help Rice.

It would help more if we are exposed winning.

(06-13-2022 09:56 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-13-2022 09:48 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(06-12-2022 11:13 PM)Ourland Wrote:  The exposure means much more than money for mid-major conferences. A media payout of about $3 million only represents roughly 8 or 9% of Rice's annual athletics budget.

Playing on ESPN and ESPN2 gives The American schools exposure to casual fans and prospective recruits that the other mid-majors don't have. We can talk 'payout' all day long, but it's the exposure that matters. Being hidden on CBS Sports or on the internet gets no one anywhere. Very few fans are accessing that content. It killed CUSA.

Mid-major programs are going to have to focus on product, regional rivalries, and basketball to increase revenue. There's very little money for any of us in television.

We’ve also got some momentum once again replacing Houston in the AAC, which has been picked up by local media. The increased exposure will help Rice.

It would help more if we are exposed winning.

Agree with both. It's an opportunity that Rice can't squander away. Something must change in a big way within our football, basketball, and baseball programs.

(06-12-2022 11:13 PM)Ourland Wrote:  The exposure means much more than money for mid-major conferences. A media payout of about $3 million only represents roughly 8 or 9% of Rice's annual athletics budget.

Playing on ESPN and ESPN2 gives The American schools exposure to casual fans and prospective recruits that the other mid-majors don't have. We can talk 'payout' all day long, but it's the exposure that matters. Being hidden on CBS Sports or on the internet gets no one anywhere. Very few fans are accessing that content. It killed CUSA.

Mid-major programs are going to have to focus on product, regional rivalries, and basketball to increase revenue. There's very little money for any of us in television.

I agree with everything but the "regional rivals" comment. Regional rivalries are good for ticket sales and local media coverage, but I think playing the best programs we can schedule (home & home OOC series with P5's & playing the better winning G5 programs) is more important for exposure on the national level.