(03-21-2019 03:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  @thebeatofsports
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Another interesting note from interview with @Ourand_SBJ is role ESPN likely has/will play in any future expansion of P5 league and I agree with John- that network seems to not want any expansion and since they are writing checks it likely means things stay the same for a while

A million times this. None of us is likely going anywhere any time soon.

USFFan

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(03-21-2019 03:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  @thebeatofsports
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Another interesting note from interview with @Ourand_SBJ is role ESPN likely has/will play in any future expansion of P5 league and I agree with John- that network seems to not want any expansion and since they are writing checks it likely means things stay the same for a while

A million times this. None of us is likely going anywhere any time soon.

USFFan

That's why they gave us a huge % raise on a long contract. They don't want movement.

People aren't paying attention. This deal could be even worse then it sounds. Note he stated that the deal doesn't start at 7 mil a year and that that money is "Years down the road". This is sounding worse by the day. I used to support Aresco, I don't any more. Why not go to open market or at the very least threaten to do so. Now I know you'll say, "How do you know he didn't?" Well I don't but, under the terms of the contract, we couldn't entertain any offers prior to completion of the "Restricted Negotiations Period". So, I doubt they entertained any exterior offers.

(03-21-2019 03:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Ourland is the writer of the story in the Sports Business Journal. He was inteviewed by thebeatofsports. A couple of tweets followed the interview


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Few interesting nuggets from @Ourand_SBJ interview with @AustinRLyon on @thebeatofsports on AAC new media deal: John says about 40% of football games and a lot of basketball games likely to ESPN+...$ increases over years. So the $7M per is years down road...


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Another interesting note from interview with @Ourand_SBJ is role ESPN likely has/will play in any future expansion of P5 league and I agree with John- that network seems to not want any expansion and since they are writing checks it likely means things stay the same for a while

Just a grain of salt here.

This can't be true and we signed a 1 billion 12 year deal. Math means things.

So perhaps we get 4 million a year, than 6 million a year, than 7 million a year, than 8 million, otherwise its 7 million a year. In which case the graduated payments mean we just sold our rights for less than they are worth, and locked in a long term deal that won't pay us our current worth till maybe half way through, and will be horrible at the end.

(03-21-2019 03:38 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 03:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Ourland is the writer of the story in the Sports Business Journal. He was inteviewed by thebeatofsports. A couple of tweets followed the interview


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Few interesting nuggets from @Ourand_SBJ interview with @AustinRLyon on @thebeatofsports on AAC new media deal: John says about 40% of football games and a lot of basketball games likely to ESPN+...$ increases over years. So the $7M per is years down road...


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Another interesting note from interview with @Ourand_SBJ is role ESPN likely has/will play in any future expansion of P5 league and I agree with John- that network seems to not want any expansion and since they are writing checks it likely means things stay the same for a while

Just a grain of salt here.

This can't be true and we signed a 1 billion 12 year deal. Math means things.

So perhaps we get 4 million a year, than 6 million a year, than 7 million a year, than 8 million, otherwise its 7 million a year. In which case the graduated payments mean we just sold our rights for less than they are worth, and locked in a long term deal that won't pay us our current worth till maybe half way through, and will be horrible at the end.

probably 5 to 6 million early 7 to 9 later on.

(03-21-2019 03:42 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 03:38 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 03:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Ourland is the writer of the story in the Sports Business Journal. He was inteviewed by thebeatofsports. A couple of tweets followed the interview


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Few interesting nuggets from @Ourand_SBJ interview with @AustinRLyon on @thebeatofsports on AAC new media deal: John says about 40% of football games and a lot of basketball games likely to ESPN+...$ increases over years. So the $7M per is years down road...


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Another interesting note from interview with @Ourand_SBJ is role ESPN likely has/will play in any future expansion of P5 league and I agree with John- that network seems to not want any expansion and since they are writing checks it likely means things stay the same for a while

Just a grain of salt here.

This can't be true and we signed a 1 billion 12 year deal. Math means things.

So perhaps we get 4 million a year, than 6 million a year, than 7 million a year, than 8 million, otherwise its 7 million a year. In which case the graduated payments mean we just sold our rights for less than they are worth, and locked in a long term deal that won't pay us our current worth till maybe half way through, and will be horrible at the end.

probably 5 to 6 million early 7 to 9 later on.

Then at no point will this deal reach the value of the conference viewership and will start 2 million less than what most business journals projected for the conference.

Lets restructure Aresco's contract. Pay him 10% of what each school makes on average from it's media rights deal. So if the average per school is 7 mil a year, he gets paid 700k a year. I bet he starts negotiating his ass off then.

(03-21-2019 03:53 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  Lets restructure Aresco's contract. Pay him 10% of what each school makes on average from it's media rights deal. So if the average per school is 7 mil a year, he gets paid 700k a year. I bet he starts negotiating his ass off then.

Yup. Should have always been that way.

The one concern with the gradual increase and backloading the contract is that by the time we finally get up to $7mil/yr... the conference could blow up. So the amount we're getting up until 2024 might not be all that much and then if conference expansion hits and a couple brands leave... it resets the conference back down and we never see the higher ends of the contract.

(03-21-2019 03:42 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 03:38 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 03:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Ourland is the writer of the story in the Sports Business Journal. He was inteviewed by thebeatofsports. A couple of tweets followed the interview


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Few interesting nuggets from @Ourand_SBJ interview with @AustinRLyon on @thebeatofsports on AAC new media deal: John says about 40% of football games and a lot of basketball games likely to ESPN+...$ increases over years. So the $7M per is years down road...


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Another interesting note from interview with @Ourand_SBJ is role ESPN likely has/will play in any future expansion of P5 league and I agree with John- that network seems to not want any expansion and since they are writing checks it likely means things stay the same for a while

Just a grain of salt here.

This can't be true and we signed a 1 billion 12 year deal. Math means things.

So perhaps we get 4 million a year, than 6 million a year, than 7 million a year, than 8 million, otherwise its 7 million a year. In which case the graduated payments mean we just sold our rights for less than they are worth, and locked in a long term deal that won't pay us our current worth till maybe half way through, and will be horrible at the end.

probably 5 to 6 million early 7 to 9 later on.

Yeah, he didn't know the specs., but said deals typically escalate 5% a year. He guessed mid 60s to 100 by the end.

ETA: $7M is the avg, not the contract end year amount.

Who was on the negotiating team for this deal??

(03-21-2019 04:30 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  Who was on the negotiating team for this deal??

The hobo in my basement was the prime negotiator. He said he took a bunch of night classes at San Jacinto college.


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(03-21-2019 04:31 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 04:30 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  Who was on the negotiating team for this deal??

The hobo in my basement was the prime negotiator. He said he took a bunch of night classes at San Jacinto college.


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Applewhite is still living in your basement?

(03-21-2019 04:32 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 04:31 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 04:30 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  Who was on the negotiating team for this deal??

The hobo in my basement was the prime negotiator. He said he took a bunch of night classes at San Jacinto college.


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Applewhite is still living in your basement?

Maybe... I’m too scared to go ask what his name is. As long as i toss a case of beer down there every once in a while he stays happy.


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I am starting to get on the side of the skeptics here. If the aim for ESPN is to build the ESPN+ brand around AAC content, then the AAC should absolutely have a bigger payout. If AAC is your marquee content, then a healthy share of revenues from ESPN+ that is above and beyond the $7 million.

However, we still don't have one media source independently confirming Ourand's article. And with something like this, one would expect journalists to be pounding the pavement to confirm it. I would also point out that Ourand's article doesn't really have a ton of details.

I want to see when the deal is actually announced what the details are.

(03-21-2019 04:31 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 04:30 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  Who was on the negotiating team for this deal??

The hobo in my basement was the prime negotiator. He said he took a bunch of night classes at San Jacinto college.


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That's cool that you have a basement in Houston. My old house you would have hit the water table.

(03-21-2019 03:42 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 03:38 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 03:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Ourland is the writer of the story in the Sports Business Journal. He was inteviewed by thebeatofsports. A couple of tweets followed the interview


The Beat of Sports
@thebeatofsports
6h6 hours ago
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Few interesting nuggets from @Ourand_SBJ interview with @AustinRLyon on @thebeatofsports on AAC new media deal: John says about 40% of football games and a lot of basketball games likely to ESPN+...$ increases over years. So the $7M per is years down road...


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Another interesting note from interview with @Ourand_SBJ is role ESPN likely has/will play in any future expansion of P5 league and I agree with John- that network seems to not want any expansion and since they are writing checks it likely means things stay the same for a while

Just a grain of salt here.

This can't be true and we signed a 1 billion 12 year deal. Math means things.

So perhaps we get 4 million a year, than 6 million a year, than 7 million a year, than 8 million, otherwise its 7 million a year. In which case the graduated payments mean we just sold our rights for less than they are worth, and locked in a long term deal that won't pay us our current worth till maybe half way through, and will be horrible at the end.

probably 5 to 6 million early 7 to 9 later on.

Exactly. Every other deal works the same way...including our current deal.

IIRC, it was a pretty even split between ABC/ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU games and NEWS/CBSSN/ESPN3. So, maybe 10% or so more on ESPN linear channel games...spitballing here as I'm going from memory. Also, I didn't realize it, but we get ESPN+ through a mag. subscription on of my kiddos got as a Christmas gift. I know this person didn't pay $50 for it.

(03-21-2019 04:21 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  The one concern with the gradual increase and backloading the contract is that by the time we finally get up to $7mil/yr... the conference could blow up. So the amount we're getting up until 2024 might not be all that much and then if conference expansion hits and a couple brands leave... it resets the conference back down and we never see the higher ends of the contract.

Is this not concerning to anyone? That we may not actually ever see a good chunk of this money?