(04-11-2019 02:56 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-11-2019 02:52 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  Watch them get $9m.

Cue the "Now we're definitely leaving to go to the party we're not invited to!"

they have to sell the Boise content separately...aka their most valuable property...they dont have any collective bargaining...

ill be honest, ill be surprised if they get higher than 4.5....would not be shocked to see them land 3

Im thinking between 2-3. Both bidders offered to renew early at the current price point. That tells me neither bidder has much room to go up on those rights and still make money. The economics of making money are whats driving this negotiation---the podcasters are off in the weeds with theories about which conference is more likely to break up or which conference has Boise---as the real life value drivers. Its about eyeballs and the MW doesnt really bring them. Boise brings eyeballs at about half the rate of the best of the AAC---the rest of the MW football is CUSA level content when it comes to viewership.

lol...They arent getting 9 million a team....Thompson would be working a miracle to get even half that amount. They get 1.1 now. Whn they signed this deal they had a known ratings track record and were fairly valued. The AAC was under duress and an completely unknown quantity when it signed with NBC in 2013. Six years later, after putting up MUCH higher than expected ratings, the AAC got a 4X deal becasue it was horribly undervalued to begin with. The MW doesnt have that driver. It doesnt have the viewers. It doesnt have the product. For the MW, a 2 to 3 million per team deal represents a double or better---I suspect thats about as high as they can possibly get for the content they have to offer.

(04-11-2019 03:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-11-2019 02:56 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-11-2019 02:52 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  Watch them get $9m.

Cue the "Now we're definitely leaving to go to the party we're not invited to!"

they have to sell the Boise content separately...aka their most valuable property...they dont have any collective bargaining...

ill be honest, ill be surprised if they get higher than 4.5....would not be shocked to see them land 3

Im thinking between 2-3. Both bidders offered to renew early at the current price point. That tells me neither bidder has much room to go up on those rights and still make money. The economics of making money are whats driving this negotiation---the podcasters are off in the weeds with theories about which conference is more likely to break up or which conference has Boise---as the real life value drivers. Its about eyeballs and the MW doesnt really bring them. Boise brings eyeballs at about half the rate of the best of the AAC---the rest of the MW football is CUSA level content when it comes to viewership.

lol...They arent getting 9 million a team....Thompson would be working a miracle to get even half that amount. They get 1.1 now. Whn they signed this deal they had a known ratings track record and were fairly valued. The AAC was under duress and an completely unknown quantity when it signed with NBC in 2013. Six years later, after putting up MUCH higher than expected ratings, the AAC got a 4X deal becasue it was horribly undervalued to begin with. The MW doesnt have that driver. It doesnt have the viewers. It doesnt have the product. For the MW, a 2 to 3 million per team deal represents a double or better---I suspect thats about as high as they can possibly get for the content they have to offer.

they also think facebook will play hundreds of millions for them

(04-11-2019 03:39 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  

(04-11-2019 02:56 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-11-2019 02:52 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  Watch them get $9m.

Cue the "Now we're definitely leaving to go to the party we're not invited to!"

they have to sell the Boise content separately...aka their most valuable property...they dont have any collective bargaining...

ill be honest, ill be surprised if they get higher than 4.5....would not be shocked to see them land 3

I don't follow midget wrestling. When does the MWC media deal come up for renewal?

right now...theyve been in negotiation for the last 3 weeks

HuskyUometer says $1.75 Mil per non-Boise team, $3.5 Mil for the Smurfs. Nice raise for everyone.

Hi Boise....looks like your shortsightedness is going to cost you a few mill/year over the next 6-8 years at least. This doesnt' include the exposure you lost due to not playing AAC teams in populated areas.

Enjoy Brokeback Mtn West

Nice job!

(04-11-2019 03:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-11-2019 02:56 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-11-2019 02:52 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  Watch them get $9m.

Cue the "Now we're definitely leaving to go to the party we're not invited to!"

they have to sell the Boise content separately...aka their most valuable property...they dont have any collective bargaining...

ill be honest, ill be surprised if they get higher than 4.5....would not be shocked to see them land 3

Im thinking between 2-3. Both bidders offered to renew early at the current price point. That tells me neither bidder has much room to go up on those rights and still make money. The economics of making money are whats driving this negotiation---the podcasters are off in the weeds with theories about which conference is more likely to break up or which conference has Boise---as the real life value drivers. Its about eyeballs and the MW doesnt really bring them. Boise brings eyeballs at about half the rate of the best of the AAC---the rest of the MW football is CUSA level content when it comes to viewership.

lol...They arent getting 9 million a team....Thompson would be working a miracle to get even half that amount. They get 1.1 now. Whn they signed this deal they had a known ratings track record and were fairly valued. The AAC was under duress and an completely unknown quantity when it signed with NBC in 2013. Six years later, after putting up MUCH higher than expected ratings, the AAC got a 4X deal becasue it was horribly undervalued to begin with. The MW doesnt have that driver. It doesnt have the viewers. It doesnt have the product. For the MW, a 2 to 3 million per team deal represents a double or better---I suspect thats about as high as they can possibly get for the content they have to offer.

Tulsa conference games:

USF 1.170m
Temple 728k
Houston 562k

Total: 2.460m Average: 820k



Boise St conference games:

Utah St 1.078m
Fresno St 819k
Colorado St 420k
SDSU 269k

Total: 2.586m Avg: 647k

Championship game
Fresno St 1.036m

MWC Total: 3.622m MWC Average: 724k


Out of Conference:
Oklahoma St 1.438m
BYU 476k
Troy 241k
UConn 233k

OOC Total: 2.388m OOC Average: 597k



*Complete Total: 6.01m *Complete Average: 668k

I wouldn't be surprised if the MWC took a pay cut like CUSA did last go around. Sorry, but facebook and stadium and not going to pay big dollars to stream your late night games.

(04-11-2019 08:14 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I wouldn't be surprised if the MWC took a pay cut like CUSA did last go around. Sorry, but facebook and stadium and not going to pay big dollars to stream your late night games.

in front of sparsely populated areas (by in large).

So when will our teams actually see a bump in distribution $$$? 2019? 2020? Is there an official breakdown of what is coming and when?

(04-11-2019 04:46 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  .

Enjoy Brokeback Mtn West

Nice job!

As a gay man, let me say, they could only wish to have that much fun.

(03-21-2019 10:26 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 07:50 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 07:46 PM)Pirate1989 Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 06:05 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 05:41 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  1billion / 12 years / 12 teams = $6,944,444 per team. just add the paltry CBS-OTA deal in and call it an even $7million. If you start at $5MM and raise it 5% per year, in the 5th year you would get to $6MM, in the 8th year you would get to $7MM, in the 12th year you would get to $8.5MM.
Year Amount
1 $5.00MM
2 $5.25MM
3 $5.51MM
4 $5.79MM
5 $6.08MM
6 $6.38MM
7 $6.70MM
8 $7.04MM
9 $7.39MM
10 $7.76MM
11 $8.14MM
12 $8.55MM
$79.59MM x 12 teams = $955.08MM

so, in my hamfisted attempt at figuring this out, I come up $45MM short, so the actual yearlies must be higher than this (slightly) if the rumor that a 5% raise per year is how it will be delivered. But this is illustrative of what it will look like if true.

Yeah... Not impressed with Aresco-n-company if this is what they came away with.

Add 300K to each year and it works out right.

Gents, are these annual payout amounts official from the conference? What is the source? Thanks.

No, these are not official. This is just me trying to calculate what 1 billion dollars over 12 years looks like. I think I'm pretty accurate.

I calculated it for you with your assumption of 5% increase per year.

Code:

1     $5,235,450.84
2     $5,497,223.38
3     $5,772,084.55
4     $6,060,688.77
5     $6,363,723.21
6     $6,681,909.37
7     $7,016,004.84
8     $7,366,805.08
9     $7,735,145.34
10    $8,121,902.60
11    $8,527,997.73
12    $8,954,397.62

It's one line too long so you'll have to scroll to see the 12th year.

Thought I would just update err'body on a convo I had on Tiger Lane with Mr. Tom Bowen. I ran into him Friday night before the game. He was out their glad-handing us surfs. I asked him about the conference deal distribution. He let me get through my speculation of a graduated payout within the structure of my question, then he said:
"No, we don't know anything about that yet. The pay structure is still being worked out. And we don't want that."
Me: "What? Starting @ 5 and ending @ 9?"
Tom: "No."
Me: "We want to get 7 every year instead of graduated payments?"
Tom: "Yes."

So, in short (and I find this hard to believe), they STILL haven't agreed on a payment structure.

(04-15-2019 09:00 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 10:26 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 07:50 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 07:46 PM)Pirate1989 Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 06:05 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Add 300K to each year and it works out right.

Gents, are these annual payout amounts official from the conference? What is the source? Thanks.

No, these are not official. This is just me trying to calculate what 1 billion dollars over 12 years looks like. I think I'm pretty accurate.

I calculated it for you with your assumption of 5% increase per year.

Code:

1     $5,235,450.84
2     $5,497,223.38
3     $5,772,084.55
4     $6,060,688.77
5     $6,363,723.21
6     $6,681,909.37
7     $7,016,004.84
8     $7,366,805.08
9     $7,735,145.34
10    $8,121,902.60
11    $8,527,997.73
12    $8,954,397.62

It's one line too long so you'll have to scroll to see the 12th year.

Thought I would just update err'body on a convo I had on Tiger Lane with Mr. Tom Bowen. I ran into him Friday night before the game. He was out their glad-handing us surfs. I asked him about the conference deal distribution. He let me get through my speculation of a graduated payout within the structure of my question, then he said:
"No, we don't know anything about that yet. The pay structure is still being worked out. And we don't want that."
Me: "What? Starting @ 5 and ending @ 9?"
Tom: "No."
Me: "We want to get 7 every year instead of graduated payments?"
Tom: "Yes."

So, in short (and I find this hard to believe), they STILL haven't agreed on a payment structure.

What in the name of funky town??

What are we doing?

(04-15-2019 09:54 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(04-15-2019 09:00 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 10:26 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 07:50 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 07:46 PM)Pirate1989 Wrote:  Gents, are these annual payout amounts official from the conference? What is the source? Thanks.

No, these are not official. This is just me trying to calculate what 1 billion dollars over 12 years looks like. I think I'm pretty accurate.

I calculated it for you with your assumption of 5% increase per year.

Code:

1     $5,235,450.84
2     $5,497,223.38
3     $5,772,084.55
4     $6,060,688.77
5     $6,363,723.21
6     $6,681,909.37
7     $7,016,004.84
8     $7,366,805.08
9     $7,735,145.34
10    $8,121,902.60
11    $8,527,997.73
12    $8,954,397.62

It's one line too long so you'll have to scroll to see the 12th year.

Thought I would just update err'body on a convo I had on Tiger Lane with Mr. Tom Bowen. I ran into him Friday night before the game. He was out their glad-handing us surfs. I asked him about the conference deal distribution. He let me get through my speculation of a graduated payout within the structure of my question, then he said:
"No, we don't know anything about that yet. The pay structure is still being worked out. And we don't want that."
Me: "What? Starting @ 5 and ending @ 9?"
Tom: "No."
Me: "We want to get 7 every year instead of graduated payments?"
Tom: "Yes."

So, in short (and I find this hard to believe), they STILL haven't agreed on a payment structure.

What in the name of funky town??

What are we doing?

Well OK. Everybody gets $7M per year but Navy and WSU split a share along the 60/40% line?

(04-15-2019 01:35 PM)Pirate1989 Wrote:  

(04-15-2019 09:54 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(04-15-2019 09:00 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 10:26 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 07:50 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  No, these are not official. This is just me trying to calculate what 1 billion dollars over 12 years looks like. I think I'm pretty accurate.

I calculated it for you with your assumption of 5% increase per year.

Code:

1     $5,235,450.84
2     $5,497,223.38
3     $5,772,084.55
4     $6,060,688.77
5     $6,363,723.21
6     $6,681,909.37
7     $7,016,004.84
8     $7,366,805.08
9     $7,735,145.34
10    $8,121,902.60
11    $8,527,997.73
12    $8,954,397.62

It's one line too long so you'll have to scroll to see the 12th year.

Thought I would just update err'body on a convo I had on Tiger Lane with Mr. Tom Bowen. I ran into him Friday night before the game. He was out their glad-handing us surfs. I asked him about the conference deal distribution. He let me get through my speculation of a graduated payout within the structure of my question, then he said:
"No, we don't know anything about that yet. The pay structure is still being worked out. And we don't want that."
Me: "What? Starting @ 5 and ending @ 9?"
Tom: "No."
Me: "We want to get 7 every year instead of graduated payments?"
Tom: "Yes."

So, in short (and I find this hard to believe), they STILL haven't agreed on a payment structure.

What in the name of funky town??

What are we doing?

Well OK. Everybody gets $7M per year but Navy and WSU split a share along the 60/40% line?

70/30 is the commonly accepted split. All totaled though it's probably 7.5 million or so. 4-5 millionish from Navy tier and another 3-5 million for the CBS OTA basketball package added to the ESPN deal per year. So 2.2 million to Wichita State and a little over 5 million to Navy.



Speculation:
Also this tells me a few schools think they are catching the last train circa 2025, which also means we probably gave up some money we should have got at the end of the deal with the length of it.

That look in may have some markers with it, i.e. we may get a bit of leverage from it if we are excelling to offset the future loss. It's probably the ejector seat for ESPN in case realignment goes sideways though.

I want to recharacterize what I said. Tom Bowen is always personable to us fans. It was a poor attempt at humor.