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What do this board and the Top 25 have in common?
Nothing written about Pac-12 teams is located there-in.

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But seriously ... I only casually watch CBB owing to the PTSD of Paul Hewitt, Brian Gregory, and now Josh Pastner. For those that actually follow ... is the WCC actually better than the Pac-12 this year? Why the precipitous slide this year?
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I don’t think the WCC is better top to bottom. The WCC strength is highly concentrated at the top then there’s a significant drop off.
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They weren't that good last year either. While they had three teams make the Big Dance, they went 0-3 in the First Round. If you look at the star rankings, the talent is there. I think they have coaching issues.
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You could have just titled this thread "Hey, haters and trolls from back east! Stop in here to bash the Pac-12!"

So here's the one comment that won't fit in that category:

Arizona was thin this year because recruits bailed out due to the FBI investigation and thinking Sean Miller would be gone. (He will be soon, but he coached this season.) UCLA cratered because they had poor team chemistry and Alford lost the team (and his job).

Pac-12 basketball with Arizona and UCLA being bad in the same season -- as an ACC fan, you can think of ACC football with Clemson and Florida State being bad in the same season and you get Wake Forest winning the ACC. It will get better when Arizona and UCLA hire good coaches who don't have the FBI on their tail, just as ACC football got better reviews from the media when Clemson and Florida State got better.

Just on the Pac-12/WCC comparison:

-- Gonzaga is way ahead of every other team in both conferences.

-- So, big gap between Gonzaga and the second level, which IMO is Washington, Oregon, Saint Mary's, and Arizona State in that order. Reverse Washington and Oregon based on recent results, but not on the season as a whole. The selection committee doesn't pretend that December and January never happened.

-- After that: The next level in the Pac-12 this year (Colorado/Utah/Oregon State/UCLA/Arizona) was better than the next level in the WCC (BYU/USF/Loyola/USD), but not close to NCAA tournament quality. The bottom of both leagues was pretty bad. Of course the bottom of every league is usually pretty bad, it's just that a bad team's computer rating looks better when they get crushed by Duke than when they get crushed by Arizona State.
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(03-18-2019 12:56 PM)Wedge Wrote:  You could have just titled this thread "Hey, haters and trolls from back east! Stop in here to bash the Pac-12!"

So here's the one comment that won't fit in that category:

Arizona was thin this year because recruits bailed out due to the FBI investigation and thinking Sean Miller would be gone. (He will be soon, but he coached this season.) UCLA cratered because they had poor team chemistry and Alford lost the team (and his job).

Pac-12 basketball with Arizona and UCLA being bad in the same season -- as an ACC fan, you can think of ACC football with Clemson and Florida State being bad in the same season and you get Wake Forest winning the ACC. It will get better when Arizona and UCLA hire good coaches who don't have the FBI on their tail, just as ACC football got better reviews from the media when Clemson and Florida State got better.

Just on the Pac-12/WCC comparison:

-- Gonzaga is way ahead of every other team in both conferences.

-- So, big gap between Gonzaga and the second level, which IMO is Washington, Oregon, Saint Mary's, and Arizona State in that order. Reverse Washington and Oregon based on recent results, but not on the season as a whole. The selection committee doesn't pretend that December and January never happened.

-- After that: The next level in the Pac-12 this year (Colorado/Utah/Oregon State/UCLA/Arizona) was better than the next level in the WCC (BYU/USF/Loyola/USD), but not close to NCAA tournament quality. The bottom of both leagues was pretty bad. Of course the bottom of every league is usually pretty bad, it's just that a bad team's computer rating looks better when they get crushed by Duke than when they get crushed by Arizona State.


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I guess given that Arizona got rocked that makes the job Louisville did in hoops this year all the more impressive.
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(03-18-2019 02:21 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(03-18-2019 12:56 PM)Wedge Wrote:  You could have just titled this thread "Hey, haters and trolls from back east! Stop in here to bash the Pac-12!"

So here's the one comment that won't fit in that category:

Arizona was thin this year because recruits bailed out due to the FBI investigation and thinking Sean Miller would be gone. (He will be soon, but he coached this season.) UCLA cratered because they had poor team chemistry and Alford lost the team (and his job).

Pac-12 basketball with Arizona and UCLA being bad in the same season -- as an ACC fan, you can think of ACC football with Clemson and Florida State being bad in the same season and you get Wake Forest winning the ACC. It will get better when Arizona and UCLA hire good coaches who don't have the FBI on their tail, just as ACC football got better reviews from the media when Clemson and Florida State got better.

Just on the Pac-12/WCC comparison:

-- Gonzaga is way ahead of every other team in both conferences.

-- So, big gap between Gonzaga and the second level, which IMO is Washington, Oregon, Saint Mary's, and Arizona State in that order. Reverse Washington and Oregon based on recent results, but not on the season as a whole. The selection committee doesn't pretend that December and January never happened.

-- After that: The next level in the Pac-12 this year (Colorado/Utah/Oregon State/UCLA/Arizona) was better than the next level in the WCC (BYU/USF/Loyola/USD), but not close to NCAA tournament quality. The bottom of both leagues was pretty bad. Of course the bottom of every league is usually pretty bad, it's just that a bad team's computer rating looks better when they get crushed by Duke than when they get crushed by Arizona State.


I was looking for the truth behind the truth. [Paul Johnson] It's never as good or as bad as it seems. [/Paul Johnson]

I guess given that Arizona got rocked that makes the job Louisville did in hoops this year all the more impressive.

And I thought you were going to say neither one ever mentions Georgia Tech.
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(03-18-2019 02:21 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(03-18-2019 12:56 PM)Wedge Wrote:  You could have just titled this thread "Hey, haters and trolls from back east! Stop in here to bash the Pac-12!"

So here's the one comment that won't fit in that category:

Arizona was thin this year because recruits bailed out due to the FBI investigation and thinking Sean Miller would be gone. (He will be soon, but he coached this season.) UCLA cratered because they had poor team chemistry and Alford lost the team (and his job).

Pac-12 basketball with Arizona and UCLA being bad in the same season -- as an ACC fan, you can think of ACC football with Clemson and Florida State being bad in the same season and you get Wake Forest winning the ACC. It will get better when Arizona and UCLA hire good coaches who don't have the FBI on their tail, just as ACC football got better reviews from the media when Clemson and Florida State got better.

Just on the Pac-12/WCC comparison:

-- Gonzaga is way ahead of every other team in both conferences.

-- So, big gap between Gonzaga and the second level, which IMO is Washington, Oregon, Saint Mary's, and Arizona State in that order. Reverse Washington and Oregon based on recent results, but not on the season as a whole. The selection committee doesn't pretend that December and January never happened.

-- After that: The next level in the Pac-12 this year (Colorado/Utah/Oregon State/UCLA/Arizona) was better than the next level in the WCC (BYU/USF/Loyola/USD), but not close to NCAA tournament quality. The bottom of both leagues was pretty bad. Of course the bottom of every league is usually pretty bad, it's just that a bad team's computer rating looks better when they get crushed by Duke than when they get crushed by Arizona State.


I was looking for the truth behind the truth. [Paul Johnson] It's never as good or as bad as it seems. [/Paul Johnson]

I guess given that Arizona got rocked that makes the job Louisville did in hoops this year all the more impressive.
Man, just so much wrong with this thread coming from a Georgia Tech fan. Hiding behind an entire coference(ACC) to take jabs at the PAC. You sure you're not a Louisville fan?

And to think I've always believed Georgia Tech to be one of the best fan bases out there. Hell, their entire fanbase of ~50 people have always been very polite.

No need to tell me how bad The Ohio State fan base can be. 90% of us are good folks. 10% are the worst in the Country. I want to throat punch some of our fans just as much as the rest of you.
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(03-18-2019 03:12 PM)cubucks Wrote:  Man, just so much wrong with this thread coming from a Georgia Tech fan. Hiding behind an entire coference(ACC) to take jabs at the PAC. You sure you're not a Louisville fan?

And to think I've always believed Georgia Tech to be one of the best fan bases out there. Hell, their entire fanbase of ~50 people have always been very polite.

No need to tell me how bad The Ohio State fan base can be. 90% of us are good folks. 10% are the worst in the Country. I want to throat punch some of our fans just as much as the rest of you.

03-lmfao

You'll find most if my Louisville posts are irritation over their academic and geographic outlier status in the ACC, or extra salt over Petrino's tendency to recycle people with criminal records from the dumpsters of Athens, GA.

And as a fan of putrid stinky ACC football I can rightly say grow a thicker skin over conference pride stuff. You don't usually see a P5 this down, so I wanted to know what happened. If it makes you feel any better go watch VT 0 - WF 0.

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(03-18-2019 02:25 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-18-2019 02:21 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(03-18-2019 12:56 PM)Wedge Wrote:  You could have just titled this thread "Hey, haters and trolls from back east! Stop in here to bash the Pac-12!"

So here's the one comment that won't fit in that category:

Arizona was thin this year because recruits bailed out due to the FBI investigation and thinking Sean Miller would be gone. (He will be soon, but he coached this season.) UCLA cratered because they had poor team chemistry and Alford lost the team (and his job).

Pac-12 basketball with Arizona and UCLA being bad in the same season -- as an ACC fan, you can think of ACC football with Clemson and Florida State being bad in the same season and you get Wake Forest winning the ACC. It will get better when Arizona and UCLA hire good coaches who don't have the FBI on their tail, just as ACC football got better reviews from the media when Clemson and Florida State got better.

Just on the Pac-12/WCC comparison:

-- Gonzaga is way ahead of every other team in both conferences.

-- So, big gap between Gonzaga and the second level, which IMO is Washington, Oregon, Saint Mary's, and Arizona State in that order. Reverse Washington and Oregon based on recent results, but not on the season as a whole. The selection committee doesn't pretend that December and January never happened.

-- After that: The next level in the Pac-12 this year (Colorado/Utah/Oregon State/UCLA/Arizona) was better than the next level in the WCC (BYU/USF/Loyola/USD), but not close to NCAA tournament quality. The bottom of both leagues was pretty bad. Of course the bottom of every league is usually pretty bad, it's just that a bad team's computer rating looks better when they get crushed by Duke than when they get crushed by Arizona State.


I was looking for the truth behind the truth. [Paul Johnson] It's never as good or as bad as it seems. [/Paul Johnson]

I guess given that Arizona got rocked that makes the job Louisville did in hoops this year all the more impressive.

And I thought you were going to say neither one ever mentions Georgia Tech.
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(03-18-2019 03:23 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(03-18-2019 03:12 PM)cubucks Wrote:  Man, just so much wrong with this thread coming from a Georgia Tech fan. Hiding behind an entire coference(ACC) to take jabs at the PAC. You sure you're not a Louisville fan?

And to think I've always believed Georgia Tech to be one of the best fan bases out there. Hell, their entire fanbase of ~50 people have always been very polite.

No need to tell me how bad The Ohio State fan base can be. 90% of us are good folks. 10% are the worst in the Country. I want to throat punch some of our fans just as much as the rest of you.

03-lmfao

You'll find most if my Louisville posts are irritation over their academic and geographic outlier status in the ACC, or extra salt over Petrino's tendency to recycle people with criminal records from the dumpsters of Athens, GA.

And as a fan of putrid stinky ACC football I can rightly say grow a thicker skin over conference pride stuff. You don't usually see a P5 this down, so I wanted to know what happened. If it makes you feel any better go watch VT 0 - WF 0.

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Fair enough, good points.

But conference pride is a make believe thing created by networks to line their own pockets. I follow Big teams because Ohio State obviously plays them. Plus, I have a lot in common with the fine folks of the Midwest. Just cant take credit for another teams success just because we are part of the same conference, that is all.

Anyways, Georgia Tech is a fine school!

Yellow Jackets!
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(03-18-2019 03:34 PM)cubucks Wrote:  
(03-18-2019 03:23 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(03-18-2019 03:12 PM)cubucks Wrote:  Man, just so much wrong with this thread coming from a Georgia Tech fan. Hiding behind an entire coference(ACC) to take jabs at the PAC. You sure you're not a Louisville fan?

And to think I've always believed Georgia Tech to be one of the best fan bases out there. Hell, their entire fanbase of ~50 people have always been very polite.

No need to tell me how bad The Ohio State fan base can be. 90% of us are good folks. 10% are the worst in the Country. I want to throat punch some of our fans just as much as the rest of you.

03-lmfao

You'll find most if my Louisville posts are irritation over their academic and geographic outlier status in the ACC, or extra salt over Petrino's tendency to recycle people with criminal records from the dumpsters of Athens, GA.

And as a fan of putrid stinky ACC football I can rightly say grow a thicker skin over conference pride stuff. You don't usually see a P5 this down, so I wanted to know what happened. If it makes you feel any better go watch VT 0 - WF 0.

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Fair enough, good points.

But conference pride is a make believe thing created by networks to line their own pockets. I follow Big teams because Ohio State obviously plays them. Plus, I have a lot in common with the fine folks of the Midwest. Just cant take credit for another teams success just because we are part of the same conference, that is all.

Anyways, Georgia Tech is a fine school!

Yellow Jackets!

GT is clearly the second best "Tech" in the ACC.
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(03-20-2019 09:41 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(03-18-2019 03:34 PM)cubucks Wrote:  
(03-18-2019 03:23 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(03-18-2019 03:12 PM)cubucks Wrote:  Man, just so much wrong with this thread coming from a Georgia Tech fan. Hiding behind an entire coference(ACC) to take jabs at the PAC. You sure you're not a Louisville fan?

And to think I've always believed Georgia Tech to be one of the best fan bases out there. Hell, their entire fanbase of ~50 people have always been very polite.

No need to tell me how bad The Ohio State fan base can be. 90% of us are good folks. 10% are the worst in the Country. I want to throat punch some of our fans just as much as the rest of you.

03-lmfao

You'll find most if my Louisville posts are irritation over their academic and geographic outlier status in the ACC, or extra salt over Petrino's tendency to recycle people with criminal records from the dumpsters of Athens, GA.

And as a fan of putrid stinky ACC football I can rightly say grow a thicker skin over conference pride stuff. You don't usually see a P5 this down, so I wanted to know what happened. If it makes you feel any better go watch VT 0 - WF 0.

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Fair enough, good points.

But conference pride is a make believe thing created by networks to line their own pockets. I follow Big teams because Ohio State obviously plays them. Plus, I have a lot in common with the fine folks of the Midwest. Just cant take credit for another teams success just because we are part of the same conference, that is all.

Anyways, Georgia Tech is a fine school!

Yellow Jackets!

GT is clearly the second best "Tech" in the ACC.
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