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RE: FIRE SAMANTHA HUGE
(03-15-2019 09:35 PM)Tank55 Wrote:  I think the post flatly stating that Huge fired Shaver because he's white was the most unhinged, but calling her evil was definitely a contender. Excited to see if anyone busts out the c-word tomorrow.

Tank, I was the poster that speculated the firing was based on Shaver's background. Yes, he is white and a male. My speculation, and its only that, is he will be replaced with someone from a different background and this has been part of the agenda from the start.

I agree it sounds cringeworthy to even mention this however replacing people based on race or gender is exactly what Diversity does. Samantha Huge has Diversity and Inclusion as a key component of her resume. It's one of her guiding principles if you read through her background. For Diversity to work as its backers intend, you have to push some aside to the benefit of others on issues that are based on race and gender.

I think you are watching it play out here. I have heard or know of any other rational reason on why a person like Shaver would be let go at a cost of $1.7M to the College.

If you are outraged for this to be even mentioned here, then I think your issue is with watching Diversity in action.

Like many of the other comments on this board, it's just one other speculation on what's happening here. I could be wrong though to pretend it may not be in play here or outraged at the possibility of it is a bit narrow.
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RE: FIRE SAMANTHA HUGE
(03-16-2019 05:43 AM)Tribal Wrote:  
(03-16-2019 02:40 AM)ttgwm02 Wrote:  Get off Tribal’s back. The man has demonstrated the utmost loyalty to our mutual alma mater and supports the athletic department in every way possible. Nor have I ever seen him post ill of anyone in the ten years weve known each other, even in the midst of six-win seasons in basketball, and football seasons where we could not compete a pass. His trigger finger is markedly restrained. Far more so than mine.

Given what I know of Tribal’s character, I suggest we put outrage aside and review the facts. His point is correct. Our current athletic director has just set our basketball team back by at least 3 years, and that is before a new coach is even hired. If Nathan Knight knows what is good for him, he will leave as well. A redshirt year at the right school (Gonzaga, Stanford, Northwestern) followed by a stellar senior year would make him a draft pick. He’s unlikely to get there next year in Williamsburg. At this point, I hope he goes, because he will be hurt if he stays.

And Tribal’s comments on other sports are also accurate. Daly, Cole - these men dedicated their lives to an underfunded athletic program and did great work. I knew both and Steve in particular was a great influence on me. Her treatment of them was appalling. She then hired a football coach who was last seen getting laughed out of Charlottesville. Folks at UVA are still asking me if our AD has a screw loose. Bronco has had to work his ass off to fix the catastrophic damage London did.

I think even if Huge called me tomorrow and said we were cutting soccer, track, and tennis and starting men’s lacrosse, I’d still tell her to go ... well .... Tribal is right. This peter-principled compliance officer from a fourth-tier law school cannot be permitted to lay waste to our athletic department, while building her own personal launch pad. Even if her trajectory increasingly appears to resemble a rocket by Wily-e-coyote.
Appreciate the support, but I can take criticism, insults, and butt chewing. Because it doesn't bother me in the slightest, I can put aside the name-calling and actually consider their point. When I used the evidently oh so hurtful term "evil," well, that's figurative language. When a friend says "I'm going to kill you" or "kiss my ass," he or she isn't really going to kill you nor does he want you....you get the point. Everyone is worked up - some are now suddenly placing blame on Shaver and some are attacking Huge.

Huge should be fired for her mishandling of nearly every dedicated person employed by TA and her mishandling of our budget over the past two years. The same people who wanted Tony and JL fired are outraged by my stance on this.

Happy weekend!

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Tribal you have a right to your opinion and I totally agree that Huge needs to learn how execute decisions at times with better sensitivity. However when loyal fans who are reasonable and mature decide to leave the Board or question if they should stay and YOUR posts are the reason then YOU have failed as a MODERATOR.
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(03-16-2019 07:56 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(03-15-2019 09:35 PM)Tank55 Wrote:  I think the post flatly stating that Huge fired Shaver because he's white was the most unhinged, but calling her evil was definitely a contender. Excited to see if anyone busts out the c-word tomorrow.

Tank, I was the poster that speculated the firing was based on Shaver's background. Yes, he is white and a male. My speculation, and its only that, is he will be replaced with someone from a different background and this has been part of the agenda from the start.

I agree it sounds cringeworthy to even mention this however replacing people based on race or gender is exactly what Diversity does. Samantha Huge has Diversity and Inclusion as a key component of her resume. It's one of her guiding principles if you read through her background. For Diversity to work as its backers intend, you have to push some aside to the benefit of others on issues that are based on race and gender.

I think you are watching it play out here. I have heard or know of any other rational reason on why a person like Shaver would be let go at a cost of $1.7M to the College.

If you are outraged for this to be even mentioned here, then I think your issue is with watching Diversity in action.

Like many of the other comments on this board, it's just one other speculation on what's happening here. I could be wrong though to pretend it may not be in play here or outraged at the possibility of it is a bit narrow.
We live in age where SJW rules, and tolerance basically no longer an option, so any comment like SB’s gets met with outrage.

However, in addition to Huge, our new president also comes from a background in diversity, equity and inclusion. Time will tell if there will be a major movement to fundamentally change the fabric of the school

Changes have been needed in areas, we will have to see how the future unfolds. I have high schooler who is very interested in W&M, and is well positioned for admission. Will see how it goes, and will be watching
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(03-16-2019 08:34 AM)TribeNomad Wrote:  
(03-16-2019 07:56 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(03-15-2019 09:35 PM)Tank55 Wrote:  I think the post flatly stating that Huge fired Shaver because he's white was the most unhinged, but calling her evil was definitely a contender. Excited to see if anyone busts out the c-word tomorrow.

Tank, I was the poster that speculated the firing was based on Shaver's background. Yes, he is white and a male. My speculation, and its only that, is he will be replaced with someone from a different background and this has been part of the agenda from the start.

I agree it sounds cringeworthy to even mention this however replacing people based on race or gender is exactly what Diversity does. Samantha Huge has Diversity and Inclusion as a key component of her resume. It's one of her guiding principles if you read through her background. For Diversity to work as its backers intend, you have to push some aside to the benefit of others on issues that are based on race and gender.

I think you are watching it play out here. I have heard or know of any other rational reason on why a person like Shaver would be let go at a cost of $1.7M to the College.

If you are outraged for this to be even mentioned here, then I think your issue is with watching Diversity in action.

Like many of the other comments on this board, it's just one other speculation on what's happening here. I could be wrong though to pretend it may not be in play here or outraged at the possibility of it is a bit narrow.
We live in age where SJW rules, and tolerance basically no longer an option, so any comment like SB’s gets met with outrage.

However, in addition to Huge, our new president also comes from a background in diversity, equity and inclusion. Time will tell if there will be a major movement to fundamentally change the fabric of the school

Changes have been needed in areas, we will have to see how the future unfolds. I have high schooler who is very interested in W&M, and is well positioned for admission. Will see how it goes, and will be watching

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RE: FIRE SAMANTHA HUGE
(03-16-2019 08:15 AM)wmmii Wrote:  
(03-16-2019 05:43 AM)Tribal Wrote:  
(03-16-2019 02:40 AM)ttgwm02 Wrote:  Get off Tribal’s back. The man has demonstrated the utmost loyalty to our mutual alma mater and supports the athletic department in every way possible. Nor have I ever seen him post ill of anyone in the ten years weve known each other, even in the midst of six-win seasons in basketball, and football seasons where we could not compete a pass. His trigger finger is markedly restrained. Far more so than mine.

Given what I know of Tribal’s character, I suggest we put outrage aside and review the facts. His point is correct. Our current athletic director has just set our basketball team back by at least 3 years, and that is before a new coach is even hired. If Nathan Knight knows what is good for him, he will leave as well. A redshirt year at the right school (Gonzaga, Stanford, Northwestern) followed by a stellar senior year would make him a draft pick. He’s unlikely to get there next year in Williamsburg. At this point, I hope he goes, because he will be hurt if he stays.

And Tribal’s comments on other sports are also accurate. Daly, Cole - these men dedicated their lives to an underfunded athletic program and did great work. I knew both and Steve in particular was a great influence on me. Her treatment of them was appalling. She then hired a football coach who was last seen getting laughed out of Charlottesville. Folks at UVA are still asking me if our AD has a screw loose. Bronco has had to work his ass off to fix the catastrophic damage London did.

I think even if Huge called me tomorrow and said we were cutting soccer, track, and tennis and starting men’s lacrosse, I’d still tell her to go ... well .... Tribal is right. This peter-principled compliance officer from a fourth-tier law school cannot be permitted to lay waste to our athletic department, while building her own personal launch pad. Even if her trajectory increasingly appears to resemble a rocket by Wily-e-coyote.
Appreciate the support, but I can take criticism, insults, and butt chewing. Because it doesn't bother me in the slightest, I can put aside the name-calling and actually consider their point. When I used the evidently oh so hurtful term "evil," well, that's figurative language. When a friend says "I'm going to kill you" or "kiss my ass," he or she isn't really going to kill you nor does he want you....you get the point. Everyone is worked up - some are now suddenly placing blame on Shaver and some are attacking Huge.

Huge should be fired for her mishandling of nearly every dedicated person employed by TA and her mishandling of our budget over the past two years. The same people who wanted Tony and JL fired are outraged by my stance on this.

Happy weekend!

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Tribal you have a right to your opinion and I totally agree that Huge needs to learn how execute decisions at times with better sensitivity. However when loyal fans who are reasonable and mature decide to leave the Board or question if they should stay and YOUR posts are the reason then YOU have failed as a MODERATOR.
Contact the site admin and file a complaint OR you can do what you always do and complain without action. Publicly bashing a moderator is a bannable offense...but have at it because your opinion of me simply doesn't matter.

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I'd be willing to bet $100 that the next coach is black. That's different than saying Shaver was fired because he was white, which is a federal crime.
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(03-16-2019 08:34 AM)TribeNomad Wrote:  
(03-16-2019 07:56 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(03-15-2019 09:35 PM)Tank55 Wrote:  I think the post flatly stating that Huge fired Shaver because he's white was the most unhinged, but calling her evil was definitely a contender. Excited to see if anyone busts out the c-word tomorrow.

Tank, I was the poster that speculated the firing was based on Shaver's background. Yes, he is white and a male. My speculation, and its only that, is he will be replaced with someone from a different background and this has been part of the agenda from the start.

I agree it sounds cringeworthy to even mention this however replacing people based on race or gender is exactly what Diversity does. Samantha Huge has Diversity and Inclusion as a key component of her resume. It's one of her guiding principles if you read through her background. For Diversity to work as its backers intend, you have to push some aside to the benefit of others on issues that are based on race and gender.

I think you are watching it play out here. I have heard or know of any other rational reason on why a person like Shaver would be let go at a cost of $1.7M to the College.

If you are outraged for this to be even mentioned here, then I think your issue is with watching Diversity in action.

Like many of the other comments on this board, it's just one other speculation on what's happening here. I could be wrong though to pretend it may not be in play here or outraged at the possibility of it is a bit narrow.
We live in age where SJW rules, and tolerance basically no longer an option, so any comment like SB’s gets met with outrage.

However, in addition to Huge, our new president also comes from a background in diversity, equity and inclusion. Time will tell if there will be a major movement to fundamentally change the fabric of the school

Changes have been needed in areas, we will have to see how the future unfolds. I have high schooler who is very interested in W&M, and is well positioned for admission. Will see how it goes, and will be watching

Thankfully, the school has changed - greatly - over the last couple decades. It's no longer a regional school for good old boys and is now a true national institution with phenomenal academics and an incredibly impressive student body that is both high achieving and committed to making the world better. A fact that many on this board simply can't stand, sadly.
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Technically he was bought out on contract for $1.7M.
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(03-16-2019 08:43 AM)Tribal Wrote:  
(03-16-2019 08:15 AM)wmmii Wrote:  
(03-16-2019 05:43 AM)Tribal Wrote:  
(03-16-2019 02:40 AM)ttgwm02 Wrote:  Get off Tribal’s back. The man has demonstrated the utmost loyalty to our mutual alma mater and supports the athletic department in every way possible. Nor have I ever seen him post ill of anyone in the ten years weve known each other, even in the midst of six-win seasons in basketball, and football seasons where we could not compete a pass. His trigger finger is markedly restrained. Far more so than mine.

Given what I know of Tribal’s character, I suggest we put outrage aside and review the facts. His point is correct. Our current athletic director has just set our basketball team back by at least 3 years, and that is before a new coach is even hired. If Nathan Knight knows what is good for him, he will leave as well. A redshirt year at the right school (Gonzaga, Stanford, Northwestern) followed by a stellar senior year would make him a draft pick. He’s unlikely to get there next year in Williamsburg. At this point, I hope he goes, because he will be hurt if he stays.

And Tribal’s comments on other sports are also accurate. Daly, Cole - these men dedicated their lives to an underfunded athletic program and did great work. I knew both and Steve in particular was a great influence on me. Her treatment of them was appalling. She then hired a football coach who was last seen getting laughed out of Charlottesville. Folks at UVA are still asking me if our AD has a screw loose. Bronco has had to work his ass off to fix the catastrophic damage London did.

I think even if Huge called me tomorrow and said we were cutting soccer, track, and tennis and starting men’s lacrosse, I’d still tell her to go ... well .... Tribal is right. This peter-principled compliance officer from a fourth-tier law school cannot be permitted to lay waste to our athletic department, while building her own personal launch pad. Even if her trajectory increasingly appears to resemble a rocket by Wily-e-coyote.
Appreciate the support, but I can take criticism, insults, and butt chewing. Because it doesn't bother me in the slightest, I can put aside the name-calling and actually consider their point. When I used the evidently oh so hurtful term "evil," well, that's figurative language. When a friend says "I'm going to kill you" or "kiss my ass," he or she isn't really going to kill you nor does he want you....you get the point. Everyone is worked up - some are now suddenly placing blame on Shaver and some are attacking Huge.

Huge should be fired for her mishandling of nearly every dedicated person employed by TA and her mishandling of our budget over the past two years. The same people who wanted Tony and JL fired are outraged by my stance on this.

Happy weekend!

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Tribal you have a right to your opinion and I totally agree that Huge needs to learn how execute decisions at times with better sensitivity. However when loyal fans who are reasonable and mature decide to leave the Board or question if they should stay and YOUR posts are the reason then YOU have failed as a MODERATOR.
Contact the site admin and file a complaint OR you can do what you always do and complain without action. Publicly bashing a moderator is a bannable offense...but have at it because your opinion of me simply doesn't matter.

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(03-16-2019 09:39 AM)Tribe2011 Wrote:  
(03-16-2019 08:34 AM)TribeNomad Wrote:  
(03-16-2019 07:56 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(03-15-2019 09:35 PM)Tank55 Wrote:  I think the post flatly stating that Huge fired Shaver because he's white was the most unhinged, but calling her evil was definitely a contender. Excited to see if anyone busts out the c-word tomorrow.

Tank, I was the poster that speculated the firing was based on Shaver's background. Yes, he is white and a male. My speculation, and its only that, is he will be replaced with someone from a different background and this has been part of the agenda from the start.

I agree it sounds cringeworthy to even mention this however replacing people based on race or gender is exactly what Diversity does. Samantha Huge has Diversity and Inclusion as a key component of her resume. It's one of her guiding principles if you read through her background. For Diversity to work as its backers intend, you have to push some aside to the benefit of others on issues that are based on race and gender.

I think you are watching it play out here. I have heard or know of any other rational reason on why a person like Shaver would be let go at a cost of $1.7M to the College.

If you are outraged for this to be even mentioned here, then I think your issue is with watching Diversity in action.

Like many of the other comments on this board, it's just one other speculation on what's happening here. I could be wrong though to pretend it may not be in play here or outraged at the possibility of it is a bit narrow.
We live in age where SJW rules, and tolerance basically no longer an option, so any comment like SB’s gets met with outrage.

However, in addition to Huge, our new president also comes from a background in diversity, equity and inclusion. Time will tell if there will be a major movement to fundamentally change the fabric of the school

Changes have been needed in areas, we will have to see how the future unfolds. I have high schooler who is very interested in W&M, and is well positioned for admission. Will see how it goes, and will be watching

Thankfully, the school has changed - greatly - over the last couple decades. It's no longer a regional school for good old boys and is now a true national institution with phenomenal academics and an incredibly impressive student body that is both high achieving and committed to making the world better. A fact that many on this board simply can't stand, sadly.

You need to study a little history. W&M has been a great place long before 2000. I went to school here in the 70s. We had more good ole girls as we had good ole boys. We had international students and 35% out of state. We were nationally recognized. We were the first College to host a presidential debate. The only requirement was apolitical, you had to pass a swim test. Decisions were made on merit, not politics. The College celebrated tradition and our history.

That's not where we are today. i don't see it as better the way things are being managed today. We can disagree on a lot but one thing I think most everyone agrees is this entire episode has been handled badly.
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(03-16-2019 10:42 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(03-16-2019 09:39 AM)Tribe2011 Wrote:  
(03-16-2019 08:34 AM)TribeNomad Wrote:  
(03-16-2019 07:56 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(03-15-2019 09:35 PM)Tank55 Wrote:  I think the post flatly stating that Huge fired Shaver because he's white was the most unhinged, but calling her evil was definitely a contender. Excited to see if anyone busts out the c-word tomorrow.

Tank, I was the poster that speculated the firing was based on Shaver's background. Yes, he is white and a male. My speculation, and its only that, is he will be replaced with someone from a different background and this has been part of the agenda from the start.

I agree it sounds cringeworthy to even mention this however replacing people based on race or gender is exactly what Diversity does. Samantha Huge has Diversity and Inclusion as a key component of her resume. It's one of her guiding principles if you read through her background. For Diversity to work as its backers intend, you have to push some aside to the benefit of others on issues that are based on race and gender.

I think you are watching it play out here. I have heard or know of any other rational reason on why a person like Shaver would be let go at a cost of $1.7M to the College.

If you are outraged for this to be even mentioned here, then I think your issue is with watching Diversity in action.

Like many of the other comments on this board, it's just one other speculation on what's happening here. I could be wrong though to pretend it may not be in play here or outraged at the possibility of it is a bit narrow.
We live in age where SJW rules, and tolerance basically no longer an option, so any comment like SB’s gets met with outrage.

However, in addition to Huge, our new president also comes from a background in diversity, equity and inclusion. Time will tell if there will be a major movement to fundamentally change the fabric of the school

Changes have been needed in areas, we will have to see how the future unfolds. I have high schooler who is very interested in W&M, and is well positioned for admission. Will see how it goes, and will be watching

Thankfully, the school has changed - greatly - over the last couple decades. It's no longer a regional school for good old boys and is now a true national institution with phenomenal academics and an incredibly impressive student body that is both high achieving and committed to making the world better. A fact that many on this board simply can't stand, sadly.

You need to study a little history. W&M has been a great place long before 2000. I went to school here in the 70s. We had more good ole girls as we had good ole boys. We had international students and 35% out of state. We were nationally recognized. We were the first College to host a presidential debate. The only requirement was apolitical, you had to pass a swim test. Decisions were made on merit, not politics. The College celebrated tradition and our history.

That's not where we are today. i don't see it as better the way things are being managed today. We can disagree on a lot but one thing I think most everyone agrees is this entire episode has been handled badly.

Plus 1. Anyone who thinks W&M was some good old boy drinking school in the 70s - or even in the 30s, when my grandfather attended - has much to learn.
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And further to this. The fact that Huge went on a “trip” and referred all questions to Pete Clawson tells me all I need to know about her. Watch out Pete. You may be next.
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(03-16-2019 10:52 AM)ttgwm02 Wrote:  And further to this. The fact that Huge went on a “trip” and referred all questions to Pete Clawson tells me all I need to know about her. Watch out Pete. You may be next.

She went to the WBB tourney for the "trip". Seems proper to me
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(03-16-2019 10:54 AM)wmmii Wrote:  
(03-16-2019 10:52 AM)ttgwm02 Wrote:  And further to this. The fact that Huge went on a “trip” and referred all questions to Pete Clawson tells me all I need to know about her. Watch out Pete. You may be next.

She went to the WBB tourney for the "trip". Seems proper to me

Funny. When I travel to France or Germany or China for work, I can’t tell judges to talk to my paralegal.
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(03-16-2019 09:39 AM)Tribe2011 Wrote:  
(03-16-2019 08:34 AM)TribeNomad Wrote:  
(03-16-2019 07:56 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(03-15-2019 09:35 PM)Tank55 Wrote:  I think the post flatly stating that Huge fired Shaver because he's white was the most unhinged, but calling her evil was definitely a contender. Excited to see if anyone busts out the c-word tomorrow.

Tank, I was the poster that speculated the firing was based on Shaver's background. Yes, he is white and a male. My speculation, and its only that, is he will be replaced with someone from a different background and this has been part of the agenda from the start.

I agree it sounds cringeworthy to even mention this however replacing people based on race or gender is exactly what Diversity does. Samantha Huge has Diversity and Inclusion as a key component of her resume. It's one of her guiding principles if you read through her background. For Diversity to work as its backers intend, you have to push some aside to the benefit of others on issues that are based on race and gender.

I think you are watching it play out here. I have heard or know of any other rational reason on why a person like Shaver would be let go at a cost of $1.7M to the College.

If you are outraged for this to be even mentioned here, then I think your issue is with watching Diversity in action.

Like many of the other comments on this board, it's just one other speculation on what's happening here. I could be wrong though to pretend it may not be in play here or outraged at the possibility of it is a bit narrow.
We live in age where SJW rules, and tolerance basically no longer an option, so any comment like SB’s gets met with outrage.

However, in addition to Huge, our new president also comes from a background in diversity, equity and inclusion. Time will tell if there will be a major movement to fundamentally change the fabric of the school

Changes have been needed in areas, we will have to see how the future unfolds. I have high schooler who is very interested in W&M, and is well positioned for admission. Will see how it goes, and will be watching

Thankfully, the school has changed - greatly - over the last couple decades. It's no longer a regional school for good old boys and is now a true national institution with phenomenal academics and an incredibly impressive student body that is both high achieving and committed to making the world better. A fact that many on this board simply can't stand, sadly.

Thanks for clearing that up. I now know your perspective. Now I know why we disagree so much.

You would not have attended W&M from 1976-1980.

I would not attend W&M now.

Aside from getting a similar piece of paper from the same school, you and I have nothing in common. We are not members of the same Tribe.

This school, right now, has MAJOR alumni relationship issues. In other words, this school, right now, has MAJOR money issues ... but go ahead and save the world.
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RE: FIRE SAMANTHA HUGE
(03-16-2019 11:24 AM)nj alum Wrote:  
(03-16-2019 09:39 AM)Tribe2011 Wrote:  
(03-16-2019 08:34 AM)TribeNomad Wrote:  
(03-16-2019 07:56 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(03-15-2019 09:35 PM)Tank55 Wrote:  I think the post flatly stating that Huge fired Shaver because he's white was the most unhinged, but calling her evil was definitely a contender. Excited to see if anyone busts out the c-word tomorrow.

Tank, I was the poster that speculated the firing was based on Shaver's background. Yes, he is white and a male. My speculation, and its only that, is he will be replaced with someone from a different background and this has been part of the agenda from the start.

I agree it sounds cringeworthy to even mention this however replacing people based on race or gender is exactly what Diversity does. Samantha Huge has Diversity and Inclusion as a key component of her resume. It's one of her guiding principles if you read through her background. For Diversity to work as its backers intend, you have to push some aside to the benefit of others on issues that are based on race and gender.

I think you are watching it play out here. I have heard or know of any other rational reason on why a person like Shaver would be let go at a cost of $1.7M to the College.

If you are outraged for this to be even mentioned here, then I think your issue is with watching Diversity in action.

Like many of the other comments on this board, it's just one other speculation on what's happening here. I could be wrong though to pretend it may not be in play here or outraged at the possibility of it is a bit narrow.
We live in age where SJW rules, and tolerance basically no longer an option, so any comment like SB’s gets met with outrage.

However, in addition to Huge, our new president also comes from a background in diversity, equity and inclusion. Time will tell if there will be a major movement to fundamentally change the fabric of the school

Changes have been needed in areas, we will have to see how the future unfolds. I have high schooler who is very interested in W&M, and is well positioned for admission. Will see how it goes, and will be watching

Thankfully, the school has changed - greatly - over the last couple decades. It's no longer a regional school for good old boys and is now a true national institution with phenomenal academics and an incredibly impressive student body that is both high achieving and committed to making the world better. A fact that many on this board simply can't stand, sadly.

Thanks for clearing that up. I now know your perspective. Now I know why we disagree so much.

You would not have attended W&M from 1976-1980.

I would not attend W&M now.

Aside from getting a similar piece of paper from the same school, you and I have nothing in common. We are not members of the same Tribe.

This school, right now, has MAJOR alumni relationship issues. In other words, this school, right now, has MAJOR money issues ... but go ahead and save the world.

So the funny thing is, we DO agree on basically everything of substance here (and honestly I think we've agreed on actual sports things more often than not on this board). The only thing we DON'T agree on, that evidently many on here can't look past, is that I don't believe in the caricature of Rowe and Huge painted on here of clueless, emotional women who know nothing about sports and are determined to fire all white men at all costs. I'm more interested in actually talking about basketball and the merits of this move. Many on here would rather fight their culture wars and construct a straw man to rage against instead.
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RE: FIRE SAMANTHA HUGE
(03-16-2019 09:39 AM)Tribe2011 Wrote:  
(03-16-2019 08:34 AM)TribeNomad Wrote:  
(03-16-2019 07:56 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(03-15-2019 09:35 PM)Tank55 Wrote:  I think the post flatly stating that Huge fired Shaver because he's white was the most unhinged, but calling her evil was definitely a contender. Excited to see if anyone busts out the c-word tomorrow.

Tank, I was the poster that speculated the firing was based on Shaver's background. Yes, he is white and a male. My speculation, and its only that, is he will be replaced with someone from a different background and this has been part of the agenda from the start.

I agree it sounds cringeworthy to even mention this however replacing people based on race or gender is exactly what Diversity does. Samantha Huge has Diversity and Inclusion as a key component of her resume. It's one of her guiding principles if you read through her background. For Diversity to work as its backers intend, you have to push some aside to the benefit of others on issues that are based on race and gender.

I think you are watching it play out here. I have heard or know of any other rational reason on why a person like Shaver would be let go at a cost of $1.7M to the College.

If you are outraged for this to be even mentioned here, then I think your issue is with watching Diversity in action.

Like many of the other comments on this board, it's just one other speculation on what's happening here. I could be wrong though to pretend it may not be in play here or outraged at the possibility of it is a bit narrow.
We live in age where SJW rules, and tolerance basically no longer an option, so any comment like SB’s gets met with outrage.

However, in addition to Huge, our new president also comes from a background in diversity, equity and inclusion. Time will tell if there will be a major movement to fundamentally change the fabric of the school

Changes have been needed in areas, we will have to see how the future unfolds. I have high schooler who is very interested in W&M, and is well positioned for admission. Will see how it goes, and will be watching

Thankfully, the school has changed - greatly - over the last couple decades. It's no longer a regional school for good old boys and is now a true national institution with phenomenal academics and an incredibly impressive student body that is both high achieving and committed to making the world better. A fact that many on this board simply can't stand, sadly.

I don't believe this is the first time this poster his made this incredibly misinformed claim.

He or she seems to think we are all pot-bellied oldsters who can't tell Lou Rawls from John Rawls. And that morality ("committed to making the world a better place") came to Williamsburg in the 2000's.

W&M is now what is has always been: a rigorous academic institution with a good enough reputation to attract high caliber students. And for most of those students their undergraduate degree is not their terminal degree.

My closest friends at school were two doctors, a lawyer, a CPA, an Anthropology professor and one guy who did not pursue a post-grad degree. I only have an MBA and have always referred to myself as undereducated.

I am also fascinated by the changes in W&M's selection process that allow it to determine which prospective students are committed to making the world a better place vs. those who are not. Surely we should, for the benefit of mankind, publicize this process and make it available to all.

FWIW, I don't agree with those who say that W&M has changed for the worse. Both sides of the argument are exercising the soft bigotry of make claims about people they do not know.

I apologize for this. I would prefer to discuss sports and if this post needs to be deleted, I am fine with that.
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Not changed for the worse?

They now have a deserted student section at football games and no parties in frat houses.

What has taken their place?

A Wellness Center? That’s progress?
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RE: FIRE SAMANTHA HUGE
(03-16-2019 04:06 PM)tribeinexile Wrote:  
(03-16-2019 09:39 AM)Tribe2011 Wrote:  
(03-16-2019 08:34 AM)TribeNomad Wrote:  
(03-16-2019 07:56 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(03-15-2019 09:35 PM)Tank55 Wrote:  I think the post flatly stating that Huge fired Shaver because he's white was the most unhinged, but calling her evil was definitely a contender. Excited to see if anyone busts out the c-word tomorrow.

Tank, I was the poster that speculated the firing was based on Shaver's background. Yes, he is white and a male. My speculation, and its only that, is he will be replaced with someone from a different background and this has been part of the agenda from the start.

I agree it sounds cringeworthy to even mention this however replacing people based on race or gender is exactly what Diversity does. Samantha Huge has Diversity and Inclusion as a key component of her resume. It's one of her guiding principles if you read through her background. For Diversity to work as its backers intend, you have to push some aside to the benefit of others on issues that are based on race and gender.

I think you are watching it play out here. I have heard or know of any other rational reason on why a person like Shaver would be let go at a cost of $1.7M to the College.

If you are outraged for this to be even mentioned here, then I think your issue is with watching Diversity in action.

Like many of the other comments on this board, it's just one other speculation on what's happening here. I could be wrong though to pretend it may not be in play here or outraged at the possibility of it is a bit narrow.
We live in age where SJW rules, and tolerance basically no longer an option, so any comment like SB’s gets met with outrage.

However, in addition to Huge, our new president also comes from a background in diversity, equity and inclusion. Time will tell if there will be a major movement to fundamentally change the fabric of the school

Changes have been needed in areas, we will have to see how the future unfolds. I have high schooler who is very interested in W&M, and is well positioned for admission. Will see how it goes, and will be watching

Thankfully, the school has changed - greatly - over the last couple decades. It's no longer a regional school for good old boys and is now a true national institution with phenomenal academics and an incredibly impressive student body that is both high achieving and committed to making the world better. A fact that many on this board simply can't stand, sadly.

I don't believe this is the first time this poster his made this incredibly misinformed claim.

He or she seems to think we are all pot-bellied oldsters who can't tell Lou Rawls from John Rawls. And that morality ("committed to making the world a better place") came to Williamsburg in the 2000's.

W&M is now what is has always been: a rigorous academic institution with a good enough reputation to attract high caliber students. And for most of those students their undergraduate degree is not their terminal degree.

My closest friends at school were two doctors, a lawyer, a CPA, an Anthropology professor and one guy who did not pursue a post-grad degree. I only have an MBA and have always referred to myself as undereducated.

I am also fascinated by the changes in W&M's selection process that allow it to determine which prospective students are committed to making the world a better place vs. those who are not. Surely we should, for the benefit of mankind, publicize this process and make it available to all.

FWIW, I don't agree with those who say that W&M has changed for the worse. Both sides of the argument are exercising the soft bigotry of make claims about people they do not know.

I apologize for this. I would prefer to discuss sports and if this post needs to be deleted, I am fine with that.

Never apologize for any post using Lou Rawls and John Rawls in the same sentence.

I do not think the school has changed for the worst. However, as a realist I do not necessarily agree with prioritizing “making the world a better place” as an admissions philosophy.
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RE: FIRE SAMANTHA HUGE
Show me a good football team and I'll show you a full student section. Laycock's record was such that for most of his career, the football team was good. But that's a topic covered in great detail on many other threads.
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