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(03-12-2019 08:23 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(03-12-2019 08:14 AM)esayem Wrote:  So ESPN is contracting two of Raycom’s production trucks and people are throwing fits? That’s rich.

Do any of you actually know how on-site production works? The two trucks are only going to be able to cover two separate events at one time. ESPN would essentially have to hire more crew, buy high end production trucks and equipment, or cut production in other areas to accommodate ACC games without this.

I come to the ACC board for all my conspiracies! Bring on Bonner, Brano, and G Man!!

People are pissed because it's a "very, very lucrative" deal for Raycom, in their own words.

Why is the ACC giving Raycom a very lucrative contract, when no other network is? It's a giveaway, pure and simple, probably as a result of the giveaway in the last deal.

If ESPN found it more profitable to subcontract to Raycom, they'd do it with their other networks, but they don't.

There's no other way to spin this or deny reality, the only pro position you can take is that you love Raycom because of nostalgia, and you're glad the ACC is keeping their business alive for a few people for old times sake.

It would be my guess, also, that if the price paid to Raycom for production services is above market, it is simply part of the compensation for the buyout of the Raycom sublicensing agreement. ESPN does benefit, though, because it simplifies the network launch by eliminating part of the ramp up of additional production capability. It probably reduced the cost of the buyout in part because Raycom would have suffered a larger loss if it didn't have a good alternative use for its facilities and equipment.
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I don’t care if it’s Joe Shmo’s Production Co., it’s providing the ACC Network more able-bodies and equipment to cover more events.
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(03-12-2019 08:05 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  
(03-12-2019 04:50 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  lol, Jefferson Pilot Sports lives again!!! That made my night!! After a crappy night at work, it’s nice to know that JP Sports is never out of style, lol!!! Hey XLance, since you like JP so much, want me to send you a link to the JP Sports SEC games??? That way you can have more of what you love.

I don't understand this attitude. While the ACC hopes to make a good deal more money off the ACC Network, it's made a ton of money over the decades off syndication. I don't think people understand. The alternative to JP Sports syndication in most cases was no TV. Who do you think would have televised Miami-Pitt basketball games?

Operative word: was.

Knowing about the past is nice - helps you learn from your mistakes (well, in some cases, not all). However, nostalgia is irrelevant going forward. The ACC probably would not have been formed at all if not for Maryland defying the "no bowls" rule of the old Southern Conference. So? They aren't here any more... and frankly, neither should be Raycom (IMHO).
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PS. I must admit that I'm going on the "lucrative" statement without actually knowing the financial details. Will this cost the ACC, or save it money? I'll try to be open to the possibility... but my initial gut reaction is 03-banghead
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(03-12-2019 09:41 AM)orangefan Wrote:  
(03-12-2019 08:23 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(03-12-2019 08:14 AM)esayem Wrote:  So ESPN is contracting two of Raycom’s production trucks and people are throwing fits? That’s rich.

Do any of you actually know how on-site production works? The two trucks are only going to be able to cover two separate events at one time. ESPN would essentially have to hire more crew, buy high end production trucks and equipment, or cut production in other areas to accommodate ACC games without this.

I come to the ACC board for all my conspiracies! Bring on Bonner, Brano, and G Man!!

People are pissed because it's a "very, very lucrative" deal for Raycom, in their own words.

Why is the ACC giving Raycom a very lucrative contract, when no other network is? It's a giveaway, pure and simple, probably as a result of the giveaway in the last deal.

If ESPN found it more profitable to subcontract to Raycom, they'd do it with their other networks, but they don't.

There's no other way to spin this or deny reality, the only pro position you can take is that you love Raycom because of nostalgia, and you're glad the ACC is keeping their business alive for a few people for old times sake.

It would be my guess, also, that if the price paid to Raycom for production services is above market, it is simply part of the compensation for the buyout of the Raycom sublicensing agreement. ESPN does benefit, though, because it simplifies the network launch by eliminating part of the ramp up of additional production capability. It probably reduced the cost of the buyout in part because Raycom would have suffered a larger loss if it didn't have a good alternative use for its facilities and equipment.

I suspect that's right...that giving them this long term production sub-contract reduced or offset the cost of buying back all the games that we subsidized ESPN licensing them. It probably will result in better "year one" returns than buying them out. This might have been the wiser decision than a lump buyout.

That doesn't change the fact that the ACC is still losing money over forcing and subsidizing Raycom in the last contract. While it would reduce year one returns, I'd rather just buy out the mistake rather than bake it into the contract in perpetuity, as has been done.

For the duration of the ACCN schools will be receiving less than they could have because ESPN is paying Raycom for something they do themselves for EVERY OTHER NETWORK. It's just a fact of life. The only question is how much less. We'll probably never know.

The best case scenario is that schools aren't losing TOO much money by continuing to subsidize a totally different business. I'd love to see the numbers that show that, but there's no scenario where this isn't costing the schools to the benefit of propping up an otherwise non-viable business.
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(03-12-2019 10:44 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(03-12-2019 08:05 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  
(03-12-2019 04:50 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  lol, Jefferson Pilot Sports lives again!!! That made my night!! After a crappy night at work, it’s nice to know that JP Sports is never out of style, lol!!! Hey XLance, since you like JP so much, want me to send you a link to the JP Sports SEC games??? That way you can have more of what you love.

I don't understand this attitude. While the ACC hopes to make a good deal more money off the ACC Network, it's made a ton of money over the decades off syndication. I don't think people understand. The alternative to JP Sports syndication in most cases was no TV. Who do you think would have televised Miami-Pitt basketball games?

Operative word: was.

Knowing about the past is nice - helps you learn from your mistakes (well, in some cases, not all). However, nostalgia is irrelevant going forward. The ACC probably would not have been formed at all if not for Maryland defying the "no bowls" rule of the old Southern Conference. So? They aren't here any more... and frankly, neither should be Raycom (IMHO).
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PS. I must admit that I'm going on the "lucrative" statement without actually knowing the financial details. Will this cost the ACC, or save it money? I'll try to be open to the possibility... but my initial gut reaction is 03-banghead

I'm open to the possibility that it saved the ACC money versus buying out the Raycom games. Admittedly, my preference that they'd just bought the games out and be done with it may not have been the prudent business decision, but I'm about ripping the bandaid off in this case.

But there's no scenario where this saves them money over where they'd have been if they hadn't done the Raycom set aside in the last contract.

The rosiest scenario is still a reason to be mad about the 2010 contract.
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(03-12-2019 11:18 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(03-12-2019 10:44 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(03-12-2019 08:05 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  
(03-12-2019 04:50 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  lol, Jefferson Pilot Sports lives again!!! That made my night!! After a crappy night at work, it’s nice to know that JP Sports is never out of style, lol!!! Hey XLance, since you like JP so much, want me to send you a link to the JP Sports SEC games??? That way you can have more of what you love.

I don't understand this attitude. While the ACC hopes to make a good deal more money off the ACC Network, it's made a ton of money over the decades off syndication. I don't think people understand. The alternative to JP Sports syndication in most cases was no TV. Who do you think would have televised Miami-Pitt basketball games?

Operative word: was.

Knowing about the past is nice - helps you learn from your mistakes (well, in some cases, not all). However, nostalgia is irrelevant going forward. The ACC probably would not have been formed at all if not for Maryland defying the "no bowls" rule of the old Southern Conference. So? They aren't here any more... and frankly, neither should be Raycom (IMHO).
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PS. I must admit that I'm going on the "lucrative" statement without actually knowing the financial details. Will this cost the ACC, or save it money? I'll try to be open to the possibility... but my initial gut reaction is 03-banghead

I'm open to the possibility that it saved the ACC money versus buying out the Raycom games. Admittedly, my preference that they'd just bought the games out and be done with it may not have been the prudent business decision, but I'm about ripping the bandaid off in this case.

But there's no scenario where this saves them money over where they'd have been if they hadn't done the Raycom set aside in the last contract.

The rosiest scenario is still a reason to be mad about the 2010 contract.

Yes. That 2010 contract was NOT GOOD! Epic Rage
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The question of why we didn’t cut the cord completely is answered by a simple “we needed our content back”. Keep in mind this is the President of Raycom calling it “lucrative”. My guess is he has shareholders or at least a managing board he answers to.

I don’t know the broadcasting business but I do know in many industries it has become easier/cheaper to farm out portions of the business than to carry those costs. Not sure if ESPN is doing that but would be interested in seeing an explanation.

I have to admit I chuckle reading some of the comments from some pre-expansion / original ACC fans. If your school wasn’t a member of The Big East you don’t know what a good screwing by ESPN looks like.
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(03-11-2019 03:49 PM)XLance Wrote:  Paying more?
Sub-contracting eliminates all of the benefit costs from ESPN and requires no capital outlay. Pretty smart business move on ESPN's part.
I wonder if Raycom's talent will move with the contract, too. I would like to see Durham, Gminski, Bonner and Brando on the ACCN broadcast team.

Agreed. There are 2 reasons for ESPN to hire a subcontractor - it saves them money or for a short term event like the Olympics. I doubt Raycom is the only sub ESPN uses.

Hiring Raycom may have been a way to get rights back with little, if any, cost to ESPN or the ACC.

The ACC isn't Raycoms only gig. They do events for ESPN, Fox, the Carolina Panthers, Turner, Stadium, et. al.
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(03-14-2019 08:09 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  
(03-11-2019 03:49 PM)XLance Wrote:  Paying more?
Sub-contracting eliminates all of the benefit costs from ESPN and requires no capital outlay. Pretty smart business move on ESPN's part.
I wonder if Raycom's talent will move with the contract, too. I would like to see Durham, Gminski, Bonner and Brando on the ACCN broadcast team.

Agreed. There are 2 reasons for ESPN to hire a subcontractor - it saves them money or for a short term event like the Olympics. I doubt Raycom is the only sub ESPN uses.

Hiring Raycom may have been a way to get rights back with little, if any, cost to ESPN or the ACC.

The ACC isn't Raycoms only gig. They do events for ESPN, Fox, the Carolina Panthers, Turner, Stadium, et. al.

Why does the ACC network need trucks for anything other than off campus events? Each school is supposed to be able to handle all the on campus events. I don’t know that the ACC network will have much business for the Raycom trucks.
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(03-14-2019 08:09 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  
(03-11-2019 03:49 PM)XLance Wrote:  Paying more?
Sub-contracting eliminates all of the benefit costs from ESPN and requires no capital outlay. Pretty smart business move on ESPN's part.
I wonder if Raycom's talent will move with the contract, too. I would like to see Durham, Gminski, Bonner and Brando on the ACCN broadcast team.

Agreed. There are 2 reasons for ESPN to hire a subcontractor - it saves them money or for a short term event like the Olympics. I doubt Raycom is the only sub ESPN uses.

Hiring Raycom may have been a way to get rights back with little, if any, cost to ESPN or the ACC.

The ACC isn't Raycoms only gig. They do events for ESPN, Fox, the Carolina Panthers, Turner, Stadium, et. al.

Why does the ACC network need trucks for anything other than off campus events? Each school is supposed to be able to handle all the on campus events. I don’t know that the ACC network will have much business for the Raycom trucks.
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Many carping about the ACC Network and Raycom never thought there would ever be an ACC Network. Certainly on the FSU boards this is true. They don't understand why there was no ACC Network in 2010 and don't understand that Notre Dame is a big catalyst as to why there will be one in August. Much of what some write here about Raycom's contract is pure speculation based on their hatred of all things ACC. You can bet the contract is about more than just production costs, its also about getting back rights from Raycom to be able to create the ACC Network. The SEC had to do the same thing.
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(03-14-2019 11:22 AM)fsujd Wrote:  Many carping about the ACC Network and Raycom never thought there would ever be an ACC Network. Certainly on the FSU boards this is true. They don't understand why there was no ACC Network in 2010 and don't understand that Notre Dame is a big catalyst as to why there will be one in August. Much of what some write here about Raycom's contract is pure speculation based on their hatred of all things ACC. You can bet the contract is about more than just production costs, its also about getting back rights from Raycom to be able to create the ACC Network. The SEC had to do the same thing.

Unwinding the Raycom contract was substantially more complex than the SEC contracts with FSN. The rights that needed to be bought back for the SECN were solely Tier 3 rights, generally a single football game per school per year versus a FCS or G5 opponent plus 5-6 home basketball games versus mid major OOC opponents. The SEC had granted these to the individual schools but established a contract maximum term of ten years. By the time buyouts were being sought, several years of the contracts had already been completed.

Raycom had rights to multiple Tier 2 games per week in football and basketball for the entire term of ESPN's contract with the ACC, which I believe included extensions. These rights were worth substantially more than those that the SECN needed to reacquire
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yeah, I think 'major' role a bit of a stretch. See nothing much to it.
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(03-14-2019 11:22 AM)fsujd Wrote:  Many carping about the ACC Network and Raycom never thought there would ever be an ACC Network. Certainly on the FSU boards this is true. They don't understand why there was no ACC Network in 2010 and don't understand that Notre Dame is a big catalyst as to why there will be one in August. Much of what some write here about Raycom's contract is pure speculation based on their hatred of all things ACC. You can bet the contract is about more than just production costs, its also about getting back rights from Raycom to be able to create the ACC Network. The SEC had to do the same thing.

I hope you are correct.
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(03-14-2019 01:31 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(03-14-2019 11:22 AM)fsujd Wrote:  Many carping about the ACC Network and Raycom never thought there would ever be an ACC Network. Certainly on the FSU boards this is true. They don't understand why there was no ACC Network in 2010 and don't understand that Notre Dame is a big catalyst as to why there will be one in August. Much of what some write here about Raycom's contract is pure speculation based on their hatred of all things ACC. You can bet the contract is about more than just production costs, its also about getting back rights from Raycom to be able to create the ACC Network. The SEC had to do the same thing.

I hope you are correct.

Each SEC school bought back any T3 rights that had been sold. That was upfront expense to the schools. And Raycom isn't part of our deal, and neither is any other former provider of T3. There's a big difference. Our former obstacles were cleared before the deal was done. They didn't add any expenses that would be subtracted from profits before distribution.
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(03-14-2019 06:01 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-14-2019 01:31 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(03-14-2019 11:22 AM)fsujd Wrote:  Many carping about the ACC Network and Raycom never thought there would ever be an ACC Network. Certainly on the FSU boards this is true. They don't understand why there was no ACC Network in 2010 and don't understand that Notre Dame is a big catalyst as to why there will be one in August. Much of what some write here about Raycom's contract is pure speculation based on their hatred of all things ACC. You can bet the contract is about more than just production costs, its also about getting back rights from Raycom to be able to create the ACC Network. The SEC had to do the same thing.

I hope you are correct.

Each SEC school bought back any T3 rights that had been sold. That was upfront expense to the schools. And Raycom isn't part of our deal, and neither is any other former provider of T3. There's a big difference. Our former obstacles were cleared before the deal was done. They didn't add any expenses that would be subtracted from profits before distribution.

The ACC had no T3 TV rights under the ESPN contract. ESPN is the one who sold Raycom its rights and had to get them back in order to make the ACC Network work. What I meant is the SEC had to deal with getting certain rights back as well. But in the ACC's case my guess is the conference didn't because ESPN had all the rights and sold some games to Raycom. I'm also guessing ESPN probably worked out a deal that gave them work plus maybe more to claw back those rights. Notice I said guess. None of us know how the deal was structured. However it makes sense for ESPN to use Raycom as a sub and take advantage of its experience and equipment.

Here is another guess when talking profits. The ACC may be a big surprise once it gets rolling. Its in house territory has massive population and all those DirecTV and cable subscribers will be paying the in territory fee. Plus add on Hulu, ESPN and other streaming services. People forget about Notre Dame, but that brings in the Chicago market and bolsters the Northeast as well. Going to be interesting once it gets established.
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(03-15-2019 08:50 AM)fsujd Wrote:  The ACC had no T3 TV rights under the ESPN contract. ESPN is the one who sold Raycom its rights and had to get them back in order to make the ACC Network work. What I meant is the SEC had to deal with getting certain rights back as well. But in the ACC's case my guess is the conference didn't because ESPN had all the rights and sold some games to Raycom. I'm also guessing ESPN probably worked out a deal that gave them work plus maybe more to claw back those rights. Notice I said guess. None of us know how the deal was structured. However it makes sense for ESPN to use Raycom as a sub and take advantage of its experience and equipment.

Here is another guess when talking profits. The ACC may be a big surprise once it gets rolling. Its in house territory has massive population and all those DirecTV and cable subscribers will be paying the in territory fee. Plus add on Hulu, ESPN and other streaming services. People forget about Notre Dame, but that brings in the Chicago market and bolsters the Northeast as well. Going to be interesting once it gets established.

Saying ESPN sold it's rights to Raycom is totally disingenuous, that's true on paper only. The ACC made ESPN sell a package of rights to Raycom as a condition of the deal. It was an artificial carve out, otherwise ESPN would have never sold those rights, and wouldn't have had to buy them back.

Acting like ESPN was the one who sold them by choice, and ESPN bought them back, and ESPN decided it would be good to have Raycom produce games for them is just being purposely obtuse.

In the last TV contract, the ACC required ESPN to turn around and sell that package to Raycom to keep Raycom alive. Had the ACC not required it, ESPN wouldn't have done it. You can know that by the fact that ESPN has sold nothing back to Raycom to broadcast.

The ACC forced a middle man into the deal that was unnecessary and wouldn't be there, and ate some of the value. The maddening thing is that Raycom just turned around and resold some of those rights to Fox. So for a lot of the games, Raycom did nothing but middle and take a piece of what would have been a ESPN-Fox transaction. Absurd.

Maybe giving Raycom a production deal reduced the up front cost of the buy back, but they wouldn't have even had to do the buy back if they hadn't forced Raycom into the deal to begin with.

If you want to defend the ACC's subsidization of Raycom on some grounds of nostalgia or partners or whatever, please do so. But don't make it out to be a sound business move for the ACC to have subsidized Raycom in the last contract, or that the production deal makes any sense outside the context of trying to mitigate that bad decision.

There's no business reason or financial benefit for not cutting ties with Raycom in the last contract. There may be financial benefit to cutting this production deal in exchange for a lower buyback of content you should have never put in Raycom's hands in the first place. At BEST it's making the least awful of a bad situation.

Of course, it could be much worse than that, because there's no history that the ACC is making prudent financial decisions when it comes to protecting Raycom. For all we know, the ACC paid a premium for the buyback, AND signed a production deal. That would have been the advantage of buying them out clean...if the ties were cut, then at least you would know. But now in perpetuity, you'll always have to wonder what percentage of the schools' disbursements are being siphoned off to subsidize an obsolete business that wouldn't otherwise exist without the giveaway.
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(03-15-2019 08:50 AM)fsujd Wrote:  
(03-14-2019 06:01 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-14-2019 01:31 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(03-14-2019 11:22 AM)fsujd Wrote:  Many carping about the ACC Network and Raycom never thought there would ever be an ACC Network. Certainly on the FSU boards this is true. They don't understand why there was no ACC Network in 2010 and don't understand that Notre Dame is a big catalyst as to why there will be one in August. Much of what some write here about Raycom's contract is pure speculation based on their hatred of all things ACC. You can bet the contract is about more than just production costs, its also about getting back rights from Raycom to be able to create the ACC Network. The SEC had to do the same thing.

I hope you are correct.

Each SEC school bought back any T3 rights that had been sold. That was upfront expense to the schools. And Raycom isn't part of our deal, and neither is any other former provider of T3. There's a big difference. Our former obstacles were cleared before the deal was done. They didn't add any expenses that would be subtracted from profits before distribution.

The ACC had no T3 TV rights under the ESPN contract. ESPN is the one who sold Raycom its rights and had to get them back in order to make the ACC Network work. What I meant is the SEC had to deal with getting certain rights back as well. But in the ACC's case my guess is the conference didn't because ESPN had all the rights and sold some games to Raycom. I'm also guessing ESPN probably worked out a deal that gave them work plus maybe more to claw back those rights. Notice I said guess. None of us know how the deal was structured. However it makes sense for ESPN to use Raycom as a sub and take advantage of its experience and equipment.

Here is another guess when talking profits. The ACC may be a big surprise once it gets rolling. Its in house territory has massive population and all those DirecTV and cable subscribers will be paying the in territory fee. Plus add on Hulu, ESPN and other streaming services. People forget about Notre Dame, but that brings in the Chicago market and bolsters the Northeast as well. Going to be interesting once it gets established.

Do you have access to those contracts?
I have yet to see a copy anywhere.
We don't know what deal anybody made in regard to Raycom, it's all speculation at this point.
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(03-14-2019 01:31 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(03-14-2019 11:22 AM)fsujd Wrote:  Many carping about the ACC Network and Raycom never thought there would ever be an ACC Network. Certainly on the FSU boards this is true. They don't understand why there was no ACC Network in 2010 and don't understand that Notre Dame is a big catalyst as to why there will be one in August. Much of what some write here about Raycom's contract is pure speculation based on their hatred of all things ACC. You can bet the contract is about more than just production costs, its also about getting back rights from Raycom to be able to create the ACC Network. The SEC had to do the same thing.

I hope you are correct.

Each SEC school bought back any T3 rights that had been sold. That was upfront expense to the schools. And Raycom isn't part of our deal, and neither is any other former provider of T3. There's a big difference. Our former obstacles were cleared before the deal was done. They didn't add any expenses that would be subtracted from profits before distribution.

The ACC had no T3 TV rights under the ESPN contract. ESPN is the one who sold Raycom its rights and had to get them back in order to make the ACC Network work. What I meant is the SEC had to deal with getting certain rights back as well. But in the ACC's case my guess is the conference didn't because ESPN had all the rights and sold some games to Raycom. I'm also guessing ESPN probably worked out a deal that gave them work plus maybe more to claw back those rights. Notice I said guess. None of us know how the deal was structured. However it makes sense for ESPN to use Raycom as a sub and take advantage of its experience and equipment.

Here is another guess when talking profits. The ACC may be a big surprise once it gets rolling. Its in house territory has massive population and all those DirecTV and cable subscribers will be paying the in territory fee. Plus add on Hulu, ESPN and other streaming services. People forget about Notre Dame, but that brings in the Chicago market and bolsters the Northeast as well. Going to be interesting once it gets established.

Do you have access to those contracts?
I have yet to see a copy anywhere.
We don't know what deal anybody made in regard to Raycom, it's all speculation at this point.

All we have is what's been officially on the record, that Raycom has a "very lucrative" deal to produce enough games for the ACCN to remain alive and viable.

Whether making that deal was partially in exchange for a break in the buyback of their rights is hopeful speculation.

For all we know, the most negative view is it might have been just another giveaway to keep Raycom alive and making money for someone that isn't the schools, and we didn't get any meaningful consideration on the buyback and bought it back at market value or more. This would be consistent with the past.

The most positive view is that Raycom cut the ACC a break, and gave the ACC a very fair reduced buyback in exchange for a sub-producing contract not all that more expensive than ESPN/schools producing the games themselves the way they do with everything else. This is hopeful at best, considering that the ACC has previously acted to protect Raycom and it's business even at the detriment of revenue to the schools.

Which of those is closer to the truth, we have no idea without knowing the contract or numbers. We don't have a Jon Wilner in the ACC to dig it out and hold the conference responsible.
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RE: Raycom to play major role in new ACCN
(03-15-2019 02:29 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(03-15-2019 12:50 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-15-2019 08:50 AM)fsujd Wrote:  
(03-14-2019 06:01 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-14-2019 01:31 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I hope you are correct.

Each SEC school bought back any T3 rights that had been sold. That was upfront expense to the schools. And Raycom isn't part of our deal, and neither is any other former provider of T3. There's a big difference. Our former obstacles were cleared before the deal was done. They didn't add any expenses that would be subtracted from profits before distribution.

The ACC had no T3 TV rights under the ESPN contract. ESPN is the one who sold Raycom its rights and had to get them back in order to make the ACC Network work. What I meant is the SEC had to deal with getting certain rights back as well. But in the ACC's case my guess is the conference didn't because ESPN had all the rights and sold some games to Raycom. I'm also guessing ESPN probably worked out a deal that gave them work plus maybe more to claw back those rights. Notice I said guess. None of us know how the deal was structured. However it makes sense for ESPN to use Raycom as a sub and take advantage of its experience and equipment.

Here is another guess when talking profits. The ACC may be a big surprise once it gets rolling. Its in house territory has massive population and all those DirecTV and cable subscribers will be paying the in territory fee. Plus add on Hulu, ESPN and other streaming services. People forget about Notre Dame, but that brings in the Chicago market and bolsters the Northeast as well. Going to be interesting once it gets established.

Do you have access to those contracts?
I have yet to see a copy anywhere.
We don't know what deal anybody made in regard to Raycom, it's all speculation at this point.

All we have is what's been officially on the record, that Raycom has a "very lucrative" deal to produce enough games for the ACCN to remain alive and viable.

Whether making that deal was partially in exchange for a break in the buyback of their rights is hopeful speculation.

For all we know, the most negative view is it might have been just another giveaway to keep Raycom alive and making money for someone that isn't the schools, and we didn't get any meaningful consideration on the buyback and bought it back at market value or more. This would be consistent with the past.

The most positive view is that Raycom cut the ACC a break, and gave the ACC a very fair reduced buyback in exchange for a sub-producing contract not all that more expensive than ESPN/schools producing the games themselves the way they do with everything else. This is hopeful at best, considering that the ACC has previously acted to protect Raycom and it's business even at the detriment of revenue to the schools.

Which of those is closer to the truth, we have no idea without knowing the contract or numbers. We don't have a Jon Wilner in the ACC to dig it out and hold the conference responsible.

I hope that Louisville, Notre Dame, Pitt, Syracuse, BC, VT, Clemson, GT, FSU and Miami would not put up with the kinds of shenanigans that went on in the past!
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