(02-28-2019 09:04 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 09:01 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 08:46 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 08:41 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 02:53 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  No more than any other fan base in CUSA....

so maybe you should say, the way Western counts attendance, sucks. Do it like the rest of CUSA and most Western games are SRO.

I also view firing a coach after 2 seasons shows...Western expects more and will not accept, less. If you do your job, do it well, stay as long as you want. But winning is expected.

No. The attendance problem is more prevalent in the eastern division. Aside from Marshall, teams in the eastern division are sub 20K. You can assign this to the manner in which attendance is calculated at the various universities, but that isn't an accurate assessment of the problem. At North Texas, we are usually pulling in the numbers we are posting. Maybe once or twice a season, weather will dramatically effect the number of fans that show up for a game, and we will post total number of tickets sold. But, most of the time, we are actually seeing the between 23,000-30,000 fans in our stands. Here are the numbers that were posted after week 12 of this past season.

UTSA- 25,676 (5)
UAB- 24,291 (6)
Marshall- 24,063 (6)
North Texas- 23,356 (6)
So Miss- 21,615 (6)
Rice- 20,590(5)

ODU- 19,633 (6)
La Tech- 19,041 (4)
FAU- 18,134 (5)
FIU- 15,929 (5)
MTSU- 15,812 (4)
WKU- 14,232 (5)
UTEP- 13,994 (5)
Charlotte- 12,670 (6)

Are you talking make believe numbers or butts? You and I both know the announced attendance is made up.

Asks some LA Tech fans if we had 30,000 in the stand when they came to town? I'm a season ticket holder. On most nights, we actually get butts in seats. I expect us to reach 24,000 or 25,000 attendance average next season.

Ask anyone with a set of eyes what UNT had vs I believe FAU.....1800, maybe 2500, listed as 20+k

That is the game we used tickets sold. Like I stated above, we do that about once or twice a season. We had around 8 or 9K at that game, but once counting all the tickets sold, we posted 18K. Even with one or two games like that, it doesn't take away from the large crowds we are seeing for most games.

(02-28-2019 09:43 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 09:04 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 09:01 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 08:46 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 08:41 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  No. The attendance problem is more prevalent in the eastern division. Aside from Marshall, teams in the eastern division are sub 20K. You can assign this to the manner in which attendance is calculated at the various universities, but that isn't an accurate assessment of the problem. At North Texas, we are usually pulling in the numbers we are posting. Maybe once or twice a season, weather will dramatically effect the number of fans that show up for a game, and we will post total number of tickets sold. But, most of the time, we are actually seeing the between 23,000-30,000 fans in our stands. Here are the numbers that were posted after week 12 of this past season.

UTSA- 25,676 (5)
UAB- 24,291 (6)
Marshall- 24,063 (6)
North Texas- 23,356 (6)
So Miss- 21,615 (6)
Rice- 20,590(5)

ODU- 19,633 (6)
La Tech- 19,041 (4)
FAU- 18,134 (5)
FIU- 15,929 (5)
MTSU- 15,812 (4)
WKU- 14,232 (5)
UTEP- 13,994 (5)
Charlotte- 12,670 (6)

Are you talking make believe numbers or butts? You and I both know the announced attendance is made up.

Asks some LA Tech fans if we had 30,000 in the stand when they came to town? I'm a season ticket holder. On most nights, we actually get butts in seats. I expect us to reach 24,000 or 25,000 attendance average next season.

Ask anyone with a set of eyes what UNT had vs I believe FAU.....1800, maybe 2500, listed as 20+k

That is the game we used tickets sold. Like I stated above, we do that about once or twice a season. We had around 8 or 9K at that game, but once counting all the tickets sold, we posted 18K. Even with one or two games like that, it doesn't take away from the large crowds we are seeing for most games.

Again.....

it wasn't butts in seats. So make believe attendance. No freaking way UNT had 8 or 9k at that game I watched it, 2500 would be pushing it. Those stands were just about empty.

(02-28-2019 08:50 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 06:56 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 02:46 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 02:33 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 02:33 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  thus making Rice #1?

You guys have light rial?

Jeff Foxworthy much?
Just kiddin'.
yeah Houston put some in years ago. Not sure how much it helps, but it's there:

linky: http://www.houstontx.gov/abouthouston/lightrail.html

Quote:METRORail consists of three light-rail lines: The Red Line (North), Green Line (East End) and the Purple Line (Southeast). Our fleet consists of 66 rail cars in operation, four in testing and six pending delivery.

The Red Line is a 13-mile line that originally opened in 2004 as the Main Street Line and today carries 40,000 passengers daily, making it one of the nation’s most traveled lines, based on boardings per track mile.

clt asks if it goes to rice campus.

Also CLT>IAH

Sure does, train on over sometime for a game or a tour!

How ever it does not go to IAH. Agree with you and it. Who’d wanna go there?!

clt says it appears to be near campus.

(02-28-2019 09:57 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 09:43 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 09:04 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 09:01 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 08:46 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Are you talking make believe numbers or butts? You and I both know the announced attendance is made up.

Asks some LA Tech fans if we had 30,000 in the stand when they came to town? I'm a season ticket holder. On most nights, we actually get butts in seats. I expect us to reach 24,000 or 25,000 attendance average next season.

Ask anyone with a set of eyes what UNT had vs I believe FAU.....1800, maybe 2500, listed as 20+k

That is the game we used tickets sold. Like I stated above, we do that about once or twice a season. We had around 8 or 9K at that game, but once counting all the tickets sold, we posted 18K. Even with one or two games like that, it doesn't take away from the large crowds we are seeing for most games.

Again.....

it wasn't butts in seats. So make believe attendance. No freaking way UNT had 8 or 9k at that game I watched it, 2500 would be pushing it. Those stands were just about empty.

That is why these attendance numbers are apples to oranges. We have teams that give away cheap tickets and then teams that provide a whole lot more to students(rightfully so since they are footing the athletics bill) and then there are that doesn't have enough to sell for Corporate sponsors etc. A decent metric would be Revenue from tickets sold which might not be the most popular but it will give a sense of interest from Alum/fans and community in a program.

(02-28-2019 02:33 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 07:35 AM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says media markets, hub airport, and light rail connectivity to campus should be factored in.

thus making Rice #1?

Lots of personal preference in this. For me, living in Houston, rather than Lubbock, Waco, or College Station, is a no brainer. I know others prefer small town amenities.

The USM and Marshall jobs are without question the two best. Usm would be clear #1 if not for the low pay.

West Kentucky is about where they should be.

(02-28-2019 08:11 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 08:04 PM)Grandgreen Wrote:  

(02-27-2019 11:30 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-27-2019 10:29 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(02-27-2019 08:20 PM)Magic95Fan Wrote:  I think Western's rank on this list is the most egregious.

Besides WKUs last 5-6 years before last year and their 2002 National Title over McNeese State, WKU for the most part has been a 4-6 win team over their life. Sure they had moderate success when they were senior heavy sometimes but overall its been tough sledding in Bowling Green KY. Also they have always put basketball 1st.

Western has the 1st or 2nd highest winning % in CUSA...dont have the time to look it but I believe its 1st

So what are the rest of you?

EDIT:
Did not have to look it up...had it in a file
Winning % and total games played

Old Dominion 0.628...121

Western Kentucky 0.587...1005

Southern Miss 0.58...1039

Middle Tennessee 0.573...1039

Louisiana Tech 0.57...1114

Marshall 0.517...1171

North Texas 0.502...1041

UTSA 0.463...82

UAB 0.444...284

Rice 0.439...1108

Florida Atlantic 0.422...205

UTEP 0.403...1005

Fine, now explain to me how historical winning percentage is a significant factor in job selection. First, the record older than a few seasons makes little difference; second, would a coach rather replace a losing or a winning coach?

Fine, now show me where I said anything about coaching? My God, learn to read, or ask someone to explain it to you before commenting

Seems to dumb me that the topic was about coaching or did you just randomly list historical football records?

If you do not understand the questions asked, than I am not the one who needs
reading or comprehension lessons.

What an insulting response, surely you are better than that.

(03-01-2019 10:09 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 02:33 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 07:35 AM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says media markets, hub airport, and light rail connectivity to campus should be factored in.

thus making Rice #1?

Lots of personal preference in this. For me, living in Houston, rather than Lubbock, Waco, or College Station, is a no brainer. I know others prefer small town amenities.

clt says small towns lack amenities but can provide limited charm in pockets.

(03-01-2019 12:31 PM)Grandgreen Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 08:11 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 08:04 PM)Grandgreen Wrote:  

(02-27-2019 11:30 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-27-2019 10:29 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  Besides WKUs last 5-6 years before last year and their 2002 National Title over McNeese State, WKU for the most part has been a 4-6 win team over their life. Sure they had moderate success when they were senior heavy sometimes but overall its been tough sledding in Bowling Green KY. Also they have always put basketball 1st.

Western has the 1st or 2nd highest winning % in CUSA...dont have the time to look it but I believe its 1st

So what are the rest of you?

EDIT:
Did not have to look it up...had it in a file
Winning % and total games played

Old Dominion 0.628...121

Western Kentucky 0.587...1005

Southern Miss 0.58...1039

Middle Tennessee 0.573...1039

Louisiana Tech 0.57...1114

Marshall 0.517...1171

North Texas 0.502...1041

UTSA 0.463...82

UAB 0.444...284

Rice 0.439...1108

Florida Atlantic 0.422...205

UTEP 0.403...1005

Fine, now explain to me how historical winning percentage is a significant factor in job selection. First, the record older than a few seasons makes little difference; second, would a coach rather replace a losing or a winning coach?

Fine, now show me where I said anything about coaching? My God, learn to read, or ask someone to explain it to you before commenting

Seems to dumb me that the topic was about coaching or did you just randomly list historical football records?

If you do not understand the questions asked, than I am not the one who needs
reading or comprehension lessons.

What an insulting response, surely you are better than that.

Don't ever attempt to have a reasonable discussion about attendance with WKUYG. Ever. It always takes a negative turn. It never ends well.

(02-28-2019 08:50 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 06:56 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt asks if it goes to rice campus.

Also CLT>IAH

Sure does, train on over sometime for a game or a tour!

How ever it does not go to IAH. Agree with you and it. Who’d wanna go there?!

Yes, on the lower Red Line, 7th up from the bottom: Hermann Park/Rice U.

Also agree Charlotte has a nice airport, and manageable size, too.

Owl at the moon says Rice pays more per win than anyone in the house.

(03-01-2019 06:25 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 08:50 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 06:56 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt asks if it goes to rice campus.

Also CLT>IAH

Sure does, train on over sometime for a game or a tour!

How ever it does not go to IAH. Agree with you and it. Who’d wanna go there?!

Yes, on the lower Red Line, 7th up from the bottom: Hermann Park/Rice U.

Also agree Charlotte has a nice airport, and manageable size, too.

No no no. While it IS a very nice airport. It is a huge CF air traffic-wise. Need more taxiways and another runway for all of the taxi traffic.

(03-01-2019 09:49 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(03-01-2019 06:25 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 08:50 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 06:56 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt asks if it goes to rice campus.

Also CLT>IAH

Sure does, train on over sometime for a game or a tour!

How ever it does not go to IAH. Agree with you and it. Who’d wanna go there?!

Yes, on the lower Red Line, 7th up from the bottom: Hermann Park/Rice U.

Also agree Charlotte has a nice airport, and manageable size, too.

No no no. While it IS a very nice airport. It is a huge CF air traffic-wise. Need more taxiways and another runway for all of the taxi traffic.

clt says the 4th parallel is coming and will be 12k ft to allow non stop to Asia.

(03-01-2019 12:31 PM)Grandgreen Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 08:11 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 08:04 PM)Grandgreen Wrote:  

(02-27-2019 11:30 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-27-2019 10:29 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  Besides WKUs last 5-6 years before last year and their 2002 National Title over McNeese State, WKU for the most part has been a 4-6 win team over their life. Sure they had moderate success when they were senior heavy sometimes but overall its been tough sledding in Bowling Green KY. Also they have always put basketball 1st.

Western has the 1st or 2nd highest winning % in CUSA...dont have the time to look it but I believe its 1st

So what are the rest of you?

EDIT:
Did not have to look it up...had it in a file
Winning % and total games played

Old Dominion 0.628...121

Western Kentucky 0.587...1005

Southern Miss 0.58...1039

Middle Tennessee 0.573...1039

Louisiana Tech 0.57...1114

Marshall 0.517...1171

North Texas 0.502...1041

UTSA 0.463...82

UAB 0.444...284

Rice 0.439...1108

Florida Atlantic 0.422...205

UTEP 0.403...1005

Fine, now explain to me how historical winning percentage is a significant factor in job selection. First, the record older than a few seasons makes little difference; second, would a coach rather replace a losing or a winning coach?

Fine, now show me where I said anything about coaching? My God, learn to read, or ask someone to explain it to you before commenting

Seems to dumb me that the topic was about coaching or did you just randomly list historical football records?

If you do not understand the questions asked, than I am not the one who needs
reading or comprehension lessons.

What an insulting response, surely you are better than that.

WKUYG can be abrasive, but he was directly responding to a comment about our historical records. That comment was in the chain you quoted in your post. It wasn't random at all.

(03-01-2019 11:49 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  The USM and Marshall jobs are without question the two best. Usm would be clear #1 if not for the low pay.

West Kentucky is about where they should be.

It might have a ton of reasons that its a good job, but in my mind the inability to attract the best talent due to low pay makes it by default not one of the two best jobs.

(02-28-2019 09:01 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 08:46 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 08:41 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 02:53 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 02:33 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Firing a coach after two years shows opposite imo, we know when to cut our losses and realize we made a mistake. Will get back to winning in which we are good at...

I do agree our fan base sucks for football but what is crazy is we will have I am sure 20k in Nashville for UofL game at least.....WKU fans love being in Nashville vs. traveling the few miles to our home stadium.....

No more than any other fan base in CUSA....

so maybe you should say, the way Western counts attendance, sucks. Do it like the rest of CUSA and most Western games are SRO.

I also view firing a coach after 2 seasons shows...Western expects more and will not accept, less. If you do your job, do it well, stay as long as you want. But winning is expected.

No. The attendance problem is more prevalent in the eastern division. Aside from Marshall, teams in the eastern division are sub 20K. You can assign this to the manner in which attendance is calculated at the various universities, but that isn't an accurate assessment of the problem. At North Texas, we are usually pulling in the numbers we are posting. maybe once or twice a season, weather will dramatically effect the number of fans that show up for a game, and we will post total number of tickets sold. But, most of the time, we are actually seeing the between 23,000-30,000 fans in our stands. Here are the numbers that were posted after week 12 of this past season.

UTSA- 25,676 (5)
UAB- 24,291 (6)
Marshall- 24,063 (6)
North Texas- 23,356 (6)
So Miss- 21,615 (6)
Rice- 20,590(5)

ODU- 19,633 (6)
La Tech- 19,041 (4)
FAU- 18,134 (5)
FIU- 15,929 (5)
MTSU- 15,812 (4)
WKU- 14,232 (5)
UTEP- 13,994 (5)
Charlotte- 12,670 (6)

Are you talking make believe numbers or butts? You and I both know the announced attendance is made up.

Asks some LA Tech fans if we had 30,000 in the stand when they came to town? I'm a season ticket holder. On most nights, we actually get butts in seats. I expect us to reach 24,000 or 25,000 attendance average next season.

UNT did have 30K that night. But you had 30K that night BECAUSE you were playing LA Tech. That's a fact.

(02-27-2019 08:20 PM)Magic95Fan Wrote:  I think Western's rank on this list is the most egregious.

No doubt. Should have been 15th.

(02-28-2019 08:41 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 02:53 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 02:33 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 08:30 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(02-27-2019 11:30 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Western has the 1st or 2nd highest winning % in CUSA...dont have the time to look it but I believe its 1st

So what are the rest of you?

EDIT:
Did not have to look it up...had it in a file
Winning % and total games played

Old Dominion 0.628...121

Western Kentucky 0.587...1005

Southern Miss 0.58...1039

Middle Tennessee 0.573...1039

Louisiana Tech 0.57...1114

Marshall 0.517...1171

North Texas 0.502...1041

UTSA 0.463...82

UAB 0.444...284

Rice 0.439...1108

Florida Atlantic 0.422...205

UTEP 0.403...1005

That's one of many criteria. You also just fired a coach after two years. Makes the job less attractive. You have typically smaller fan bases in ratio to team performance. The fan base is basketball centric. Not much wrong with his take on WKU, but I agree it's a bit low. The right guy lives like a king in BG. Brohm had anything he wanted except a P5 patch.

Firing a coach after two years shows opposite imo, we know when to cut our losses and realize we made a mistake. Will get back to winning in which we are good at...

I do agree our fan base sucks for football but what is crazy is we will have I am sure 20k in Nashville for UofL game at least.....WKU fans love being in Nashville vs. traveling the few miles to our home stadium.....

No more than any other fan base in CUSA....

so maybe you should say, the way Western counts attendance, sucks. Do it like the rest of CUSA and most Western games are SRO.

I also view firing a coach after 2 seasons shows...Western expects more and will not accept, less. If you do your job, do it well, stay as long as you want. But winning is expected.

No. The attendance problem is more prevalent in the eastern division. Aside from Marshall, teams in the eastern division are sub 20K. You can assign this to the manner in which attendance is calculated at the various universities, but that isn't an accurate assessment of the problem. At North Texas, we are usually pulling in the numbers we are posting. Maybe once or twice a season, weather will dramatically effect the number of fans that show up for a game, and we will post total number of tickets sold. But, most of the time, we are actually seeing the between 23,000-30,000 fans in our stands. Here are the numbers that were posted after week 12 of this past season.

UTSA- 25,676 (5)
UAB- 24,291 (6)
Marshall- 24,063 (6)
North Texas- 23,356 (6)
So Miss- 21,615 (6)
Rice- 20,590(5)

ODU- 19,633 (6)
La Tech- 19,041 (4)
FAU- 18,134 (5)
FIU- 15,929 (5)
MTSU- 15,812 (4)
WKU- 14,232 (5)
UTEP- 13,994 (5)
Charlotte- 12,670 (6)

I dunno games i have seen on TV with UNT involved looks very sparse on TV. Like todays bball game, amybe 1/4 of that arena was full

(03-01-2019 11:49 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  The USM and Marshall jobs are without question the two best. Usm would be clear #1 if not for the low pay.

West Kentucky is about where they should be.

I can not even tell if this sarcasm.

Stadium way better.
Facilities will be top in the conference in December when the new 60 million dollars new athletic building opens.

Do we need to compare living? Lane has a house on the intercoastal that FAU pay's for.
Schools, restaurants, and weather are all check marks for FAU.

Recruiting? Well, USM offered 115 players in one week in Florida this February. That should tell you all you need to know which state has more players.


Lane makes a million a year plus FAU makes 500k payments on his house over the first four years. We pay almost three times as much as USM.

I guess USM has some big wins over schools like 15 years ago.....yeaaahhhhh.

(03-02-2019 04:56 AM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(03-01-2019 09:49 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(03-01-2019 06:25 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 08:50 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 06:56 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt asks if it goes to rice campus.

Also CLT>IAH

Sure does, train on over sometime for a game or a tour!

How ever it does not go to IAH. Agree with you and it. Who’d wanna go there?!

Yes, on the lower Red Line, 7th up from the bottom: Hermann Park/Rice U.

Also agree Charlotte has a nice airport, and manageable size, too.

No no no. While it IS a very nice airport. It is a huge CF air traffic-wise. Need more taxiways and another runway for all of the taxi traffic.

clt says the 4th parallel is coming and will be 12k ft to allow non stop to Asia.

And you guys just took our last big local bank with BB&T buying SunTrust.