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(04-09-2019 11:20 AM)Former Lurker Wrote:  Poor Mick. He's actually a pretty good coach, but he's leaving a program when the fans wouldn't forgive him for not being Bob Huggins, and going to one where they won't forgive him for not being John effing Wooden.

Poor post. No one expects him to be Bob Huggins. We just don't want him to act like a tool when we lose games.

Unexpected. Our new coach will be coming into an excellent situation assuming he can keep the starting 4 here. Since Cronin left is there a chance of guys transferring out and not having to sit a year? I could see Cumberland potentially wanting to transfer to a top school if he doesn't have to sit a year, to get his name out there for the draft and show he can compete every night at the top level.

Brennan would be my top choice based on the names I've seen. There are several others I'd be happy with though. As long as we get a relatively young up-and-comer I'll be happy.

(04-09-2019 11:29 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(04-09-2019 09:43 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(04-09-2019 07:47 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  LOL, I don't think Skyblade is Hep (I doubt Hep is savvy enough to get on social media). I just think we have a portion of the fan base that are bigger fans of the coach than they are of the program. Not accusing Blade, but I have actually seen people on various platforms postthat UC will never make the tournament again if Mick leaves and that our program will return to the Badger/Yates era. One guy on BCJ is suggesting we experiment with a female coach. It will be an adjustment if Mick leaves, but I trust it will get figured out. If the replacement doesn't work out, guess what... we'll fire their arse and hire someone else until it does.

I just think it'd be a very low probability gamble. To me, it's much more likely that Cronin gets UC to the Final 4 than that we find a replacement who does. It's also much more likely that UC is garbage under a different coach. That's obviously subjective, but I don't think it's plausible to weight these variables in a way that would make it a smart move to want to get a different coach.

I'm not nearly as blase as you are about UC being terrible for several years before firing the next coach. Blowing it in the first weekend of the tournament sucks. Being bad for the whole year and not even sniffing the tournament for 2, 3, 4 years would be awful.

As for there being a portion fans who like Cronin more than UC, I think that's an exceptionally small group. Pretty much every UC fan I know sits on a continuum from "Often Annoyed by but Tolerates Cronin" to "Outright Despises Cronin."

Cincinnatians, not just UC fans, are conditioned to downgrade their expectations and not promote their institutions. I am not sure where it began, whether listening to local media or fans of local opposing teams. UC basketball is a great job. The facilities, fanbase and support are there.

The fear of change and the unknown immobilizes some. Status quo rules the day. I heard this with Marvin Lewis. Yes, the AD might make a bad hire. He could make a great one though. Not sure why some cannot see change can be a good thing for both parties.

Mick is not being let go. So, if Mick decides UCLA is the spot, then more power to him and find the best replacement possible. UC basketball was here before Mick and will go on whenever he decides to leave. (yes - he currently has life tenure) The only way I see UC basketball failing is if the admin/high level boosters do not have high level goals. Or they have high expectations, but lack a clear way to achieve them.

Amen Brotha!

(04-09-2019 11:29 AM)bearcatdp Wrote:  

(04-09-2019 11:26 AM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  Let’s see if we lose any players to transfer. I asked the question previously in this thread and everyone acted like we wouldn’t lose anyone, but I find that a bit hard to believe. Whether it’s someone who gets little playing time, Curtis decommitting, or someone like Cumberland who decides to try his hand in the draft now I expect we will lose at least someone.

Depends on the hire. Curtis is signed although we can let him out if he really wants out. I am excited about our future whether Mick or someone else is coaching. Bohn has made good hires up to this point (FB, WBB, Baseball (jury still our, right?)). Lets see who he brings in and then we will see.

Agree. I’m kinda excited, but also nervous. A new coach could bring a new attitude and style that could reenergize our team. I just hope we can maintain our players until they are able to bring in their own recruits. We have a pretty good team next year if everyone stays and that should make the job more appealing.

I thank Mick for everything he did here and wish him well at UCLA. But as all true fans should be - next man in.

(04-09-2019 11:32 AM)bearcatdp Wrote:  

(04-09-2019 11:29 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(04-09-2019 09:43 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(04-09-2019 07:47 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  LOL, I don't think Skyblade is Hep (I doubt Hep is savvy enough to get on social media). I just think we have a portion of the fan base that are bigger fans of the coach than they are of the program. Not accusing Blade, but I have actually seen people on various platforms postthat UC will never make the tournament again if Mick leaves and that our program will return to the Badger/Yates era. One guy on BCJ is suggesting we experiment with a female coach. It will be an adjustment if Mick leaves, but I trust it will get figured out. If the replacement doesn't work out, guess what... we'll fire their arse and hire someone else until it does.

I just think it'd be a very low probability gamble. To me, it's much more likely that Cronin gets UC to the Final 4 than that we find a replacement who does. It's also much more likely that UC is garbage under a different coach. That's obviously subjective, but I don't think it's plausible to weight these variables in a way that would make it a smart move to want to get a different coach.

I'm not nearly as blase as you are about UC being terrible for several years before firing the next coach. Blowing it in the first weekend of the tournament sucks. Being bad for the whole year and not even sniffing the tournament for 2, 3, 4 years would be awful.

As for there being a portion fans who like Cronin more than UC, I think that's an exceptionally small group. Pretty much every UC fan I know sits on a continuum from "Often Annoyed by but Tolerates Cronin" to "Outright Despises Cronin."

Cincinnatians, not just UC fans, are conditioned to downgrade their expectations and not promote their institutions. I am not sure where it began, whether listening to local media or fans of local opposing teams. UC basketball is a great job. The facilities, fanbase and support are there.

The fear of change and the unknown immobilizes some. Status quo rules the day. I heard this with Marvin Lewis. Yes, the AD might make a bad hire. He could make a great one though. Not sure why some cannot see change can be a good thing for both parties.

Mick is not being let go. So, if Mick decides UCLA is the spot, then more power to him and find the best replacement possible. UC basketball was here before Mick and will go on whenever he decides to leave. (yes - he currently has life tenure) The only way I see UC basketball failing is if the admin/high level boosters do not have high level goals. Or they have high expectations, but lack a clear way to achieve them.

Amen Brotha!

At the current time, I have a lot of faith in Bohn to make a good hire. His hires have so far been very good in the short term and I think he will find a coach who continues our basketball success.

(04-09-2019 11:34 AM)scvanguard1 Wrote:  I thank Mick for everything he did here and wish him well at UCLA. But as all true fans should be - next man in.

I didn’t expect he would leave, but I admit there is some excitement in seeing who our next coach will be. Make the right hire and we could end up taking our program to the next level.

Wow. If you're on Twitter, go read the comments on the UCLA announcement tweet. Fans are NOT happy.

(04-09-2019 11:29 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  My outside the box target has always been Dave Smart. What he does with that Carleton program is pretty awesome. They trash good NCAA teams ever single year. I'd love to see if he could do it in major college basketball.

That would actually be awesome, and I'd be totally down for it. Seems unlikely though.

Guess they didn't keep Samari in the loop:

https://twitter.com/samari41_/status/111...6923213829

(04-09-2019 11:45 AM)digibrink Wrote:  Guess they didn't keep Samari in the loop:

https://twitter.com/samari41_/status/111...6923213829

Already deleted, what did it say?

(04-09-2019 11:46 AM)The Big O Wrote:  

(04-09-2019 11:45 AM)digibrink Wrote:  Guess they didn't keep Samari in the loop:

https://twitter.com/samari41_/status/111...6923213829

Already deleted, what did it say?

"Oh"

New coaches number one priority will be keeping Samari and our current players. We are set to be a top 15-20 team next year with an average coach as long as we keep all our players here.

(04-09-2019 09:43 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(04-09-2019 07:47 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  LOL, I don't think Skyblade is Hep (I doubt Hep is savvy enough to get on social media). I just think we have a portion of the fan base that are bigger fans of the coach than they are of the program. Not accusing Blade, but I have actually seen people on various platforms postthat UC will never make the tournament again if Mick leaves and that our program will return to the Badger/Yates era. One guy on BCJ is suggesting we experiment with a female coach. It will be an adjustment if Mick leaves, but I trust it will get figured out. If the replacement doesn't work out, guess what... we'll fire their arse and hire someone else until it does.

I just think it'd be a very low probability gamble. To me, it's much more likely that Cronin gets UC to the Final 4 than that we find a replacement who does. It's also much more likely that UC is garbage under a different coach. That's obviously subjective, but I don't think it's plausible to weight these variables in a way that would make it a smart move to want to get a different coach.

I'm not nearly as blase as you are about UC being terrible for several years before firing the next coach. Blowing it in the first weekend of the tournament sucks. Being bad for the whole year and not even sniffing the tournament for 2, 3, 4 years would be awful.

As for there being a portion fans who like Cronin more than UC, I think that's an exceptionally small group. Pretty much every UC fan I know sits on a continuum from "Often Annoyed by but Tolerates Cronin" to "Outright Despises Cronin."

Very good take. I think the likelihood that things will get worse without Cronin (possibly even much worse) easily exceeds the likelihood that we'll get better without him. Which basically sums up my take on the whole issue. I hope we get lucky and buck my estimation of the odds (Matta or especially Pitino would be a great start). We're about to start finding out either way...

(04-09-2019 09:57 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(04-09-2019 09:43 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(04-09-2019 07:47 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  LOL, I don't think Skyblade is Hep (I doubt Hep is savvy enough to get on social media). I just think we have a portion of the fan base that are bigger fans of the coach than they are of the program. Not accusing Blade, but I have actually seen people on various platforms postthat UC will never make the tournament again if Mick leaves and that our program will return to the Badger/Yates era. One guy on BCJ is suggesting we experiment with a female coach. It will be an adjustment if Mick leaves, but I trust it will get figured out. If the replacement doesn't work out, guess what... we'll fire their arse and hire someone else until it does.

I just think it'd be a very low probability gamble. To me, it's much more likely that Cronin gets UC to the Final 4 than that we find a replacement who does. It's also much more likely that UC is garbage under a different coach. That's obviously subjective, but I don't think it's plausible to weight these variables in a way that would make it a smart move to want to get a different coach.

I'm not nearly as blase as you are about UC being terrible for several years before firing the next coach. Blowing it in the first weekend of the tournament sucks. Being bad for the whole year and not even sniffing the tournament for 2, 3, 4 years would be awful.

As for there being a portion fans who like Cronin more than UC, I think that's an exceptionally small group. Pretty much every UC fan I know sits on a continuum from "Often Annoyed by but Tolerates Cronin" to "Outright Despises Cronin."

I am not blasé at all about terrible for several years. In fact, I don't think we will be "terrible" at all but for maybe one year due to adjustments of a new coach/issue with recruits. My only point is that guys saying that we will revert to the 1980s when UC was still dealing with the effects of NCAA sanctions, the university had no money and were playing in an off campus arena smacks in the face of today's reality of nearly 30 years of history as a strong program, a beautiful refurbished arena, we are on national TV dozens of times a year, etc.

Who has said this will happen? Enough of the straw man stuff...Mick's first few years here were a close enough reminder and nobody saw that coming when Huggins was in good graces with the Admin. Players transfer, we make a bad hire.... things could get a lot worse very easily (e.g. a middle of the pack AAC team).

Magic Johnson just stepped down as president of the Lakers, he must be coming to coach UC

(04-09-2019 08:28 PM)icecat21 Wrote:  Magic Johnson just stepped down as president of the Lakers, he must be coming to coach UC

...with Mike Shanahan running the offense.

(04-09-2019 08:41 PM)bearcatdp Wrote:  

(04-09-2019 08:28 PM)icecat21 Wrote:  Magic Johnson just stepped down as president of the Lakers, he must be coming to coach UC

...with Mike Shanahan running the offense.

good memories

Alford to Nevada

i wonder if UCLA is wondering if they should have waited?