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RE: Game 26, Elon
Nice to have all three juniors play well in the same game for a change. Elon’s new gym looked super nice on TV by the way...how come we can’t do something like that instead of the ancient cavern in Williamsburg?
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RE: Game 26, Elon
(02-16-2019 09:27 PM)Tribester Wrote:  Elon’s new gym looked super nice on TV by the way...how come we can’t do something like that instead of the ancient cavern in Williamsburg?

Pony up $45 M and your wish can be granted.

It hasn't changed their basketball program, though.

I would be happy with just the video board.
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RE: Game 26, Elon
(02-16-2019 09:00 PM)Naptown Tribe Wrote:  
(02-16-2019 08:52 PM)wmmii Wrote:  We are in a two way tie for 5th place with Towson at 6-8.

And we currently have the tie breaker over Towson ... we control our own destiny for the 4/5 game ... let’s keep going 1 game at a time ... tonight was far from our best but we got it done ... Nate playing his best ball of his career right now ... hope he takes it to Brantley on Thursday and let’s beat Charleston!


You are right we beat Towson so have the tiebreaker now, but if they beat us on 2/28 then they win the tiebreaker with a better win against NE. It is looking like that could be a must win game for us if both Towson and W&M have the same record next week. They play Hofstra and NE on the road and we have CoC and UNCW at home.
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RE: Game 26, Elon
Are the stats for this game tonight a national second issue? I’m traveling so I couldn’t watch or listen. And still no box score from Tribe Athletics, Live Stats or ESPN.

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Game 26, Elon
Id like to see Owens and Audige hit their strides again.

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RE: Game 26, Elon
Nate with 35 pts, 13 rebs and 4 blocks. Another great night except for having 5 of our 9 turnovers. Very good night from Justin and Matt. Now, if Paul could play to his capability, we'd be ready to roll.

Held Elon to only 6 pts in the last 7 1/2 minutes. That's winning basketball.

Need to come out swinging Thursday night. Going to need more than 2 pts from the bench to reach the level of play we'll need. If we are not in foul trouble, I think having Nate and Mehkel on the floor together may add some better matchup options with Charleston for a few stretches. I, also, hope we'll bring the 3/4 press back out to limit Riller time. Need to make Riller work on defense, and getting the ball up the court, in order to get in his legs and not let him pace himself. We can't let them have energy left in the tank for the last 10 minute finish. Bench has got to step up and be the difference. (UNCW's bench outscored Hofstra's, 51-0!)
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RE: Game 26, Elon
Audige had a poor shooting night, but he didn't forget the rest of his game: 3 blocks, 4 steals, 4 assists, and 5 rebounds! Chase brings it every game.

And watch Nathan in the highlights...did we see two Kareem Abdul Jabbar-like sky hooks?
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RE: Game 26, Elon
You can thank me for the Tribe victory.

I bought my ticket behind the Tribe bench way in advance, but I picked up the flu at a trade show last week and had to skip the game.

I actually had to skip the Davidson home win against St. Joes Friday night as well.

I always knew trade shows were "inconvenient" since the one in Bangkok will keep me away from the CAA tourney this year, but this is ridiculous.

So, I will go this entire school year without seeing either a Tribe football or basketball game in person. This hasn't happened in a really long time.

I smell a CAA title for Tribe hoops!
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RE: Game 26, Elon
I posted the following in the "MBB Disappointment " thread on January 14. I thought it would be instructive to revisit now.

This team has been somewhat frustrating because there is considerable talent and that talent has not been maximized as reflected in the win-loss record. The reasons for this are numerous (No particular order):

1) We have barley played a game this season when everyone was healthy and in game shape We are probably the healthiest we've been all season. Trending up.

2) Rowley's has yet to find his 3-pt stroke.
Rowley is still struggling offensively. He buried a couple 3s at NU, but did not follow it up. Rowley playing to his abilities could put this team over the top. No Change.

3) Milon is shooting okay from 3, but not as well as last year.
Without checking his numbers, my sense is Milon's shooting has improved. He's also not just content to be a 3-pt shooter in recent games. Trending up.


4) Too many unforced TOs. This remains a problem. Still too many silly, unforced TOs. Figure this one out and we could really make some noise. No change.
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5) Stretches of game with poor shot selection.
We are getting better here (see below), but still have a tendency for poor shot selection when we build a lead. I get the sense the guys forget the formula the instant they get comfortable. Great teams play the same whether they're down 10 or up 10. Also on this front we are attempting for fewer 3s overall, which is a positive development. It took a while, but the staff/players realized we can't rely on the same offensive formula from past seasons. Trending up.

6) Free-throw shooting woes, particularly from Pierce.
FT shooting has markedly improved, especially Pierce. Trending up.

7) Knight is a foul magnet (partly his fault with some silly fouls, some horrendous refereeing).
Knight has gotten better here. It has been several games since he's picked up a silly foul. No more trying to dribble the ball up the court or drive the lane from outside the arc. I also think as Knight makes a name for himself around the league he gets the benefit of more calls (or non-calls) from the refs. Trending up.

8) Knight not getting enough touches in post.
Kudos to Shaver here. There has been a concerted effort the past few weeks to run the offense through Nate and get him the ball on the block. Most designed plays coming out of TOs are now designed to get Nate the ball down low. Last two games demonstrate merits of this adjustment. Consistently getting the ball to Nate also means fewer and shorter offensive droughts. Trending up.

9) Meshing youth and veterans, taking time in OOC to find and establish rotation.
We have settled into a rotation and found some continuity. Play of Audige has been amazing to behold. Getting CJ more minutes by rotating him at PG was also a great move. Trending up.

10) No single/great answer at PG.
Loewe brings the best defense and is decent finishing around the rim, but has not been able to knock down open perimeter shots. Scot has shown well for a freshman, but shows his inexperience. Both with a few bad TOs most games. I am in favor of sticking with the combination of Loewe and CJ at PG and not bringing Scott back into the "normal" rotation. Nothing against Scott, but Loewe brings better defense, rebounding, and finishes well around the rim.


So, from my perspective the team has improved in 8 of the 10 problem areas identified a month ago, with two unchanged. The ride has not been smooth, but the final destination is still achievable with this group. We can't ask for much more than what we are getting from the underclassmen. Assuming we don't backslide anywhere, I see two things critical to our chances of success in March.

1) We have got to take care of the ball. TOs have absolutely killed us. Need to cut the TOs in half most games.

2) Upper classmen (Nate, Rowley, Milon, and JP) need to consistently
play to their potential. We can't afford nights where multiple upperclassmen are off their game. We win almost any game where at least 3 of these 4 are on their game.
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RE: Game 26, Elon
(02-17-2019 12:40 PM)WMTribe90 Wrote:  3) Milon is shooting okay from 3, but not as well as last year. [/color]Without checking his numbers, my sense is Milon's shooting has improved. He's also not just content to be a 3-pt shooter in recent games. Trending up.[/color][color=#000000]
He's shooting threes, .390, which is good but down from .428 last season. Since he's played 25 games, I'll give his percentage shooting threes in 5 groups of 5 games:

21-25 (team 3-2): 11/27 = .407
16-20 (team 0-5): 17/52 = .327
11-15 (team 3-2): 17/38 = .447
6-10 (team 2-3): 11/29 = .379
1-5 (team 2-3): 15/36 = .417

He's alternated going up and down. You have a better record when he shoots threes better.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...=401085893 is the Associated Press recap, which made a mistake. It says:

"Nathan Knight scored a career-high 35 points."
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AP doesn't do any homework, nor do they write much of what they print for this type of blurb. That string of paragraphs came from either our folks or Elon's.
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RE: Game 26, Elon
(02-17-2019 01:07 PM)EvanJ Wrote:  
(02-17-2019 12:40 PM)WMTribe90 Wrote:  3) Milon is shooting okay from 3, but not as well as last year. [/color]Without checking his numbers, my sense is Milon's shooting has improved. He's also not just content to be a 3-pt shooter in recent games. Trending up.[/color][color=#000000]
He's shooting threes, .390, which is good but down from .428 last season. Since he's played 25 games, I'll give his percentage shooting threes in 5 groups of 5 games:

21-25 (team 3-2): 11/27 = .407
16-20 (team 0-5): 17/52 = .327
11-15 (team 3-2): 17/38 = .447
6-10 (team 2-3): 11/29 = .379
1-5 (team 2-3): 15/36 = .417

He's alternated going up and down. You have a better record when he shoots threes better.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...=401085893 is the Associated Press recap, which made a mistake. It says:

"Nathan Knight scored a career-high 35 points."

Interesting, thank you for running the numbers Evan. What those numbers tell me is it's less an issue of Milan being hot or cold and more to do with the quality of his attempts. Lowest percentage stretch came with most attempts. No denying the correlation with team success and Matt's shooting. We need Milon knocking down 3s. Winning formula is fewer, but higher quality, attempts. Matches up well with added emphasis on getting the ball to Nate in the post.
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RE: Game 26, Elon
Nathan Knight entered the Tribe record book last night when he became the first William & Mary player ever to score 35 or more points in two consecutive ballgames!! 39 against Hofstra and 35 against Elon last evening. Quite an achievement for our big guy.
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Game 26, Elon
Nathan Knight (1361 pts) up to 14, passing Scott Smith, Ed McMillan, Adam Hess, and Daniel Dixon.

Justin Pierce (901 pts) up to 50, passing Steve Dodge, Don Engelken, and Roger Bergey.

Matt Milon (712 pts) up to 78, passing Terence Jennings, Brendan Connor, and Walter Wenk.

Chase Audige (267 pts) up to 168, passing Charlie Teach and Matt O'Reilly.

L.J. Owens (196 pts) up to T-191 with Jack Jenkins.

Luke Loewe (123 pts) up to solo 225.

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RE: Game 26, Elon
(02-17-2019 05:07 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Nathan Knight (1361 pts) up to 14, passing Scott Smith, Ed McMillan, Adam Hess, and Daniel Dixon.

Justin Pierce (901 pts) up to 50, passing Steve Dodge, Don Engelken, and Roger Bergey.

Matt Milon (712 pts) up to 78, passing Terence Jennings, Brendan Connor, and Walter Wenk.

Chase Audige (267 pts) up to 168, passing Charlie Teach and Matt O'Reilly.

L.J. Owens (196 pts) up to T-191 with Jack Jenkins.

Luke Loewe (123 pts) up to solo 225.

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Wow, Nathan could get into the top 3 next year at the rate he is progressing! Justin also with a chance to get to the top 10 next year.
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RE: Game 26, Elon
(02-17-2019 12:40 PM)WMTribe90 Wrote:  9) We have settled into a rotation and found some continuity. Play of Audige has been amazing to behold. Getting CJ more minutes by rotating him at PG was also a great move. Trending up.

10) Loewe brings the best defense and is decent finishing around the rim, but has not been able to knock down open perimeter shots. Scot has shown well for a freshman, but shows his inexperience. Both with a few bad TOs most games. I am in favor of sticking with the combination of Loewe and CJ at PG and not bringing Scott back into the "normal" rotation. Nothing against Scott, but Loewe brings better defense, rebounding, and finishes well around the rim.

Did you mean "LJ" in these comments? Otherwise, who is "CJ"? Do we have a secret weapon hiding on the bench somewhere?
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(02-17-2019 05:07 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Justin Pierce (901 pts) up to 50, passing Steve Dodge, Don Engelken, and Roger Bergey.

Roger Bergey was a college roommate of Charlie Woollum, and from all accounts could really fill it up.
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RE: Game 26, Elon
(02-17-2019 08:30 PM)TribeInTheBurg Wrote:  
(02-17-2019 05:07 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Justin Pierce (901 pts) up to 50, passing Steve Dodge, Don Engelken, and Roger Bergey.

Roger Bergey was a college roommate of Charlie Woollum, and from all accounts could really fill it up.

I got to watch both Roger and Charlie for 3 years in Blow Gym. The teams were not that great but they were both fun to watch.
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Roger would always stop by to speak to us when ever we played in Harrisonburg.
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RE: Game 26, Elon
I confess to being old enough to remember watching Steve Dodge at Blow - some fun teams with Tom Jasper, Neil Gewirtzman, and I think Jeff Trammell was that era as well.
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