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Gunner Kiel sighting (at least in print anyway).

Interesting to see him Coach Taylor's praises to hear that the two of them have remained in touch. Obvious that he holds no animosity to Taylor with respects to his demotion back in 2016 or how the season played out.

That's interesting.

I always felt that Kiel got the shaft from the Andy Griffith coaching staff... of which Taylor was a part.

(02-04-2019 02:20 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  That's interesting.

I always felt that Kiel got the shaft from the Andy Griffith coaching staff... of which Taylor was a part.

Yeah I thought that too... but it looks like Taylor (despite being OC) was on the outside of those running the offense may have little to no say over the personnel and the scheme.

(02-04-2019 02:28 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 02:20 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  That's interesting.

I always felt that Kiel got the shaft from the Andy Griffith coaching staff... of which Taylor was a part.

Yeah I thought that too... but it looks like Taylor (despite being OC) was on the outside of those running the offense may have little to no say over the personnel and the scheme.

I mean that's a nice theory, but I"m not sure I'm buying it. If Tubs was as checked out as people around here seem to think he was, why would he be micromanaginig the offense? Especially when it wasn't working (which it wasn't). It is interesting to hear Kiel's endorsement. Maybe someday we'll get the full story of what was going on back then...

(02-04-2019 03:24 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 02:28 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 02:20 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  That's interesting.

I always felt that Kiel got the shaft from the Andy Griffith coaching staff... of which Taylor was a part.

Yeah I thought that too... but it looks like Taylor (despite being OC) was on the outside of those running the offense may have little to no say over the personnel and the scheme.

I mean that's a nice theory, but I"m not sure I'm buying it. If Tubs was as checked out as people around here seem to think he was, why would he be micromanaginig the offense? Especially when it wasn't working (which it wasn't). It is interesting to hear Kiel's endorsement. Maybe someday we'll get the full story of what was going on back then...

Dumpsterville put the Kiel situation on Taylor. The Former Ghost Coach of Clifton made Pontius Pilate pale in comparison when it came to any accountability. I remember this was discussed in several articles at the time but I could only find a blog where this was mentioned....

Quote:First he said (I am paraphrasing/summarizing) that fans should be booing offensive coordinator Zach Taylor at games about the QB situation because he is the one who is making the QB decision. So, Tubs and Jason Garrett are the only head coaches in history who don’t have final say on who is playing QB.

That aside, if Kiel came out in support of Taylor then it is either a case of let bygones-be-bygones or what Cadaverville said publicly vs. privately were two different things.

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I think that just adds to my belief that Tubs didn't really give Taylor much control, but always kept throwing him under the bus about the QB decision, etc. Kiel probably lost the most on that, so he really has no reason to even talk about this, but an endorsement just seems to lead me to believe that even Kiel knew his hands were tied and maybe Taylor worked on some new stuff that Tubs vetoed or something.

Its been rumored that tuberville said (behind closed doors) that Kiel would never play another down for the bearcats again. I think Taylor walked in to a crap situation here.

I guess I missed it, but what was Tubbs beef woth Gunner?

(02-05-2019 09:47 AM)wanes Wrote:  Its been rumored that tuberville said (behind closed doors) that Kiel would never play another down for the bearcats again. I think Taylor walked in to a crap situation here.

If true, that may have been the greatest travesty of Tub's tenure.

(02-05-2019 11:16 AM)jarr Wrote:  I guess I missed it, but what was Tubbs beef woth Gunner?

Nobody has said what the beef was. Lot of speculation. Surely there are people who lurk around here that know.

The guy had a chance to play on Sundays with proper development, but his play unfortunately declined through his UC career. He was ruined before Taylor got here.

(02-05-2019 08:21 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  The guy had a chance to play on Sundays with proper development, but his play unfortunately declined through his UC career. He was ruined before Taylor got here.

He was banged up quite a bit too. I still remember that vicious helmet to helmet hit in the Memphis game when he was in the process of sliding and no call was made.

(02-05-2019 08:31 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 08:21 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  The guy had a chance to play on Sundays with proper development, but his play unfortunately declined through his UC career. He was ruined before Taylor got here.

He was banged up quite a bit too. I still remember that vicious helmet to helmet hit in the Memphis game when he was in the process of sliding and no call was made.

That hit was a disgrace.

(02-05-2019 09:08 PM)Dannyboy Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 08:31 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 08:21 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  The guy had a chance to play on Sundays with proper development, but his play unfortunately declined through his UC career. He was ruined before Taylor got here.

He was banged up quite a bit too. I still remember that vicious helmet to helmet hit in the Memphis game when he was in the process of sliding and no call was made.

That hit was a disgrace.

Someone with a better memory will have to help me but a penalty was called for that hit but I don't believe it was ruled targeting.

(02-05-2019 09:58 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 09:08 PM)Dannyboy Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 08:31 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 08:21 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  The guy had a chance to play on Sundays with proper development, but his play unfortunately declined through his UC career. He was ruined before Taylor got here.

He was banged up quite a bit too. I still remember that vicious helmet to helmet hit in the Memphis game when he was in the process of sliding and no call was made.

That hit was a disgrace.

Someone with a better memory will have to help me but a penalty was called for that hit but I don't believe it was ruled targeting.

He had the talent for Sunday’s. And don’t blame tubby or any of our coaches for him not making it. He was known as a bit of a head case committing to IU then LSU then finally ND if I remember correctly. Then after not starting probably as he thought he should’ve at ND transferred here. He’s Definately gave us his all and injuries also hurt him. But that was not a good look coming out of high school.

(02-05-2019 09:58 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 09:08 PM)Dannyboy Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 08:31 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 08:21 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  The guy had a chance to play on Sundays with proper development, but his play unfortunately declined through his UC career. He was ruined before Taylor got here.

He was banged up quite a bit too. I still remember that vicious helmet to helmet hit in the Memphis game when he was in the process of sliding and no call was made.

That hit was a disgrace.

Someone with a better memory will have to help me but a penalty was called for that hit but I don't believe it was ruled targeting.

They called targeting initially,but then picked up the flag.

(02-05-2019 10:52 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 09:58 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 09:08 PM)Dannyboy Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 08:31 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 08:21 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  The guy had a chance to play on Sundays with proper development, but his play unfortunately declined through his UC career. He was ruined before Taylor got here.

He was banged up quite a bit too. I still remember that vicious helmet to helmet hit in the Memphis game when he was in the process of sliding and no call was made.

That hit was a disgrace.

Someone with a better memory will have to help me but a penalty was called for that hit but I don't believe it was ruled targeting.

He had the talent for Sunday’s. And don’t blame tubby or any of our coaches for him not making it. He was known as a bit of a head case committing to IU then LSU then finally ND if I remember correctly. Then after not starting probably as he thought he should’ve at ND transferred here. He’s Definately gave us his all and injuries also hurt him. But that was not a good look coming out of high school.

The incident happened before the bowl game and he was sent home because of it.

(02-05-2019 10:52 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 09:58 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 09:08 PM)Dannyboy Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 08:31 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 08:21 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  The guy had a chance to play on Sundays with proper development, but his play unfortunately declined through his UC career. He was ruined before Taylor got here.

He was banged up quite a bit too. I still remember that vicious helmet to helmet hit in the Memphis game when he was in the process of sliding and no call was made.

That hit was a disgrace.

Someone with a better memory will have to help me but a penalty was called for that hit but I don't believe it was ruled targeting.

He had the talent for Sunday’s. And don’t blame tubby or any of our coaches for him not making it. He was known as a bit of a head case committing to IU then LSU then finally ND if I remember correctly. Then after not starting probably as he thought he should’ve at ND transferred here. He’s Definately gave us his all and injuries also hurt him. But that was not a good look coming out of high school.

The incident happened before the bowl game and he was sent home because of it.

(02-06-2019 05:18 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 09:58 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 09:08 PM)Dannyboy Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 08:31 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 08:21 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  The guy had a chance to play on Sundays with proper development, but his play unfortunately declined through his UC career. He was ruined before Taylor got here.

He was banged up quite a bit too. I still remember that vicious helmet to helmet hit in the Memphis game when he was in the process of sliding and no call was made.

That hit was a disgrace.

Someone with a better memory will have to help me but a penalty was called for that hit but I don't believe it was ruled targeting.

They called targeting initially,but then picked up the flag.

Yep! Ridiculous call and why I think you should still be able to assess a penalty for unnecessary roughness even if you feel there is no targeting.

Two articles for the Zac Taylor thread:

First - Doug Rosfeld being hired as an assistant for the Bengals.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25973...-assistant
Nice to see people with UC ties doing well.

Second - article by Dan Hoard regarding Taylor with some UC ties.
https://www.cincyjungle.com/2019/2/12/18...s-uc-stint
I will at least pay attention to anything Dan Hoard writes.

Interesting mention of Hayden Moore and the Gridiron Showcase (If anyone knows what that is - please enlighten us). I, for one, would love to see some more in depth reporting about that in GoBearcats.com, or Bearcat Journal, or OV, or DTD. (Hint, Hint)

And generally, articles about life plans for recent graduates seems a great off season topic for sports reporters trying to figure out what to write about. (Don't tell PDoc).