(02-01-2019 03:36 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 03:24 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 03:17 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 03:07 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 03:04 PM)usffan Wrote:  Man, you have NO idea how much I look forward to UCF coming back to Earth and the karmic retribution some of your fans are going to face. Then again, I think most will have been long gone from boards like this...

USFFan

even if we suck again you're still going to be touting out playing in a rented off campus stadium with a pirate ship and pink seats is so much better than building your own on campus stadium right?

You bet your a$$ I will. In the long run, it's financially irresponsible. Not that you'll ever know - your athletic department now lives behind a privatized firewall.

Quote:The funny thing is usf has had the best run in its history the last few years and draws flies. You'd think that would be enough to convince their fans they need an on campus stadium but nope...too much pride is a terrible thing

I have no excuse for our pathetic and fickle fan base. Too many students were spoiled by the Big East and now look down their noses. We deserve that scorn. But what rankles is the way so many UCF fans suddenly feel some sense of righteous superiority in telling us what to do. You're drawing very well because your team has been playing exceptionally well. But the empty stands dancing girl from just a few years ago should serve as a reminder that that success can turn back around, which is why you're really just a sh!tty coaching hire and/or somebody poaching Danny White away from potential oblivion again. So you can take your air of superiority and put it where the sun don't shine.

USFFan

we drew as well in our 0-12 season as usf did this year or last year. Let that sink in.

lmao at calling something fiscally irresponsible when referring to college sports.
Maybe usf and 90% of college football programs should just shut down because its "fiscally irresonsible" and doesn't make any money whatsoever without student subsidies? the faux moral outrage there is laughable at best. You can't be sincere?

Of course, that's your "announced" attendance. Don't hold your breath on the Orlando Sentinel ever getting their hands on your turnstile numbers.

As for fiscally responsible - colleges and universities have long realized that they're in the customer service business, only the customers are students. Other than the academic elites who can get by almost exclusively on the value of their degrees (i.e. the Ivy's, Rice, Tulane, Stanford, etc. - if I omitted an elite school, it wasn't an intentional slight), universities realize they need amenities to be attractive to students. This is why they now have palatial dorms, lazy rivers, popular restaurants on campus, Publixes - anything to make themselves more attractive. Another of those things is athletics. It's an advertising service, which is why schools will invest in it and not expect it to be profitable on its face.

However, that doesn't justify spending hundred(s) of millions of dollars on a building that gets used < 10 days a year.

USFFan

I am comparing "announced" ucf to "announced" usf.... but don't get the facts get in the way of a good narrative lol.

LMAO at the 2nd part of your post. Talking about a stadium being fiscally irresponsible but spending hundreds of millions on a football team to lose money because its in the customer service business is fiscally responsible? Especially in USF case where they get like 3K students to a game. Lol man just take the L. Nothing about college sports is fiscally responsible unless you're Bama or Texas.

Anyway back on topic....whats going on in Memphis? averaging as much in hoops as football? Thats crazy.

(02-01-2019 03:27 PM)panama Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 12:47 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Uhhhhhhh those are USF type horrible numbers.

Memphis has had a team that went to the title game 2 years in a row and they can't get 25K a game? Multiple game's in the 15-20K range?

What's going on in Memphis?

0-12 was so long ago wasnt it...




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Neither of them were. And for as much as the talk is "we still drew in our 0-12 year," it was only 2 years removed from their Fiesta Bowl win. UCF is only 7 years removed from these "announced" home numbers in the bounce house:

Marshall (24,750)
UTEP (21,127)

Again, USF has no right to make fun of anybody's attendance. But it's not like UCF's attendance is better because their fans are better. It's better because you guys have won 25 of your last 26 games. Prior to this run, you guys drew 27K to the Cure Bowl down the street from your campus.



USFFan

Is it a coincidence these football attendance articles are coming out when we are debating whether to go to the open market or take what ESPN is offering?

(02-01-2019 03:53 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 03:27 PM)panama Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 12:47 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Uhhhhhhh those are USF type horrible numbers.

Memphis has had a team that went to the title game 2 years in a row and they can't get 25K a game? Multiple game's in the 15-20K range?

What's going on in Memphis?

0-12 was so long ago wasnt it...




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Neither of them were. And for as much as the talk is "we still drew in our 0-12 year," it was only 2 years removed from their Fiesta Bowl win. UCF is only 7 years removed from these "announced" home numbers in the bounce house:

Marshall (24,750)
UTEP (21,127)

Again, USF has no right to make fun of anybody's attendance. But it's not like UCF's attendance is better because their fans are better. It's better because you guys have won 25 of your last 26 games. Prior to this run, you guys drew 27K to the Cure Bowl down the street from your campus.



USFFan

so much comedy in this post. Glad you pulled those two games which were actually torrential downpour games and not really indicative of the fanbase for the season...which I am sure is why you didn't bother posting the whole season's attendance.

Funny you mention high horse since you wanna talk about fiscal responsibility yet are totally fine with spending hundreds of millions on a football program that makes no money.

As for attendance, everyone has ups and downs. I just thought Memphis would be much higher with how good of a run they had this and last year (applies to usf too, actually).

(02-01-2019 01:00 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 12:38 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Can't wait for the rest of the conference members' actual attendance threads!

We're private, so don't hold your breath bro.

Actual average is probably about 6-7k.

Our president and board are in the middle of changing some structural issues to deal with a building boom we had, followed by the restriction of international students (particularly from oil rich areas), and the weakening oil markets. We also took over a museum that was in a mess and took us years to sort out and now is getting set up correctly. Right now the AD runs a clean program, takes care of stuff so the President can focus on the overhaul, our coaches are nice guys and well liked. Right now athletics is on cruise control. We will have to wait till next year to see major changes some fans/alumni think are inevitable. But let me win the lottery and watch what happens a week later.

The Kaiser Foundation has been kind to TU and Tulsa so you can't ask much more of them. But man it would be nice if Mr. Kaiser personally decided to become our Boone Pickens and took us to another level.

(02-01-2019 03:59 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Is it a coincidence these football attendance articles are coming out when we are debating whether to go to the open market or take what ESPN is offering?

Not really.

Many contracts (i.e. some stadium contracts are dependent on actual attendance figures for concession/stadium personnel, etc...) are only finalized till well after the season ends...so public records from Nov/Dec...become available in Jan when payouts/fees are probably decided.

(02-01-2019 04:00 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 03:53 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 03:27 PM)panama Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 12:47 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Uhhhhhhh those are USF type horrible numbers.

Memphis has had a team that went to the title game 2 years in a row and they can't get 25K a game? Multiple game's in the 15-20K range?

What's going on in Memphis?

0-12 was so long ago wasnt it...




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Neither of them were. And for as much as the talk is "we still drew in our 0-12 year," it was only 2 years removed from their Fiesta Bowl win. UCF is only 7 years removed from these "announced" home numbers in the bounce house:

Marshall (24,750)
UTEP (21,127)

Again, USF has no right to make fun of anybody's attendance. But it's not like UCF's attendance is better because their fans are better. It's better because you guys have won 25 of your last 26 games. Prior to this run, you guys drew 27K to the Cure Bowl down the street from your campus.



USFFan

so much comedy in this post. Glad you pulled those two games which were actually torrential downpour games and not really indicative of the fanbase for the season...which I am sure is why you didn't bother posting the whole season's attendance.

Funny you mention high horse since you wanna talk about fiscal responsibility yet are totally fine with spending hundreds of millions on a football program that makes no money.

As for attendance, everyone has ups and downs. I just thought Memphis would be much higher with how good of a run they had this and last year (applies to usf too, actually).

Trust me - I have no idea what games were rainy. Impressed that you know so well so quickly. You know - it's OK to admit that UCF isn't God's gift to college football. The rest of us know that already.

And I'm NOT totally fine with spending hundreds of millions on a football program that makes no money. USF's total athletic expenditure budget for the last year I could easily find (2015) was less than $50MM, and that's for all sports. And they made at least some of that back in revenues, though clearly not nearly that total. Which is why, again, it's not worth sinking an additional ~$200,000,000 into a building that will get used < 10 times a year. Not sure it or I could be any clearer. You seem to be looking for an argument just for the sake of argument more than anything else.

USFFan

(02-01-2019 04:14 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 04:00 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 03:53 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 03:27 PM)panama Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 12:47 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Uhhhhhhh those are USF type horrible numbers.

Memphis has had a team that went to the title game 2 years in a row and they can't get 25K a game? Multiple game's in the 15-20K range?

What's going on in Memphis?

0-12 was so long ago wasnt it...




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Neither of them were. And for as much as the talk is "we still drew in our 0-12 year," it was only 2 years removed from their Fiesta Bowl win. UCF is only 7 years removed from these "announced" home numbers in the bounce house:

Marshall (24,750)
UTEP (21,127)

Again, USF has no right to make fun of anybody's attendance. But it's not like UCF's attendance is better because their fans are better. It's better because you guys have won 25 of your last 26 games. Prior to this run, you guys drew 27K to the Cure Bowl down the street from your campus.



USFFan

so much comedy in this post. Glad you pulled those two games which were actually torrential downpour games and not really indicative of the fanbase for the season...which I am sure is why you didn't bother posting the whole season's attendance.

Funny you mention high horse since you wanna talk about fiscal responsibility yet are totally fine with spending hundreds of millions on a football program that makes no money.

As for attendance, everyone has ups and downs. I just thought Memphis would be much higher with how good of a run they had this and last year (applies to usf too, actually).

Trust me - I have no idea what games were rainy. Impressed that you know so well so quickly. You know - it's OK to admit that UCF isn't God's gift to college football. The rest of us know that already.

And I'm NOT totally fine with spending hundreds of millions on a football program that makes no money. USF's total athletic expenditure budget for the last year I could easily find (2015) was less than $50MM, and that's for all sports. And they made at least some of that back in revenues, though clearly not nearly that total. Which is why, again, it's not worth sinking an additional ~$200,000,000 into a building that will get used < 10 times a year. Not sure it or I could be any clearer. You seem to be looking for an argument just for the sake of argument more than anything else.

USFFan

all ucf fans know of the marshall monsoon. Was a brutal game.

Again, preaching fiscal responsibility when you're spending hundreds of millions of dollars (50M/yr over many years) is laughable at best. Consider most of USF budget (and most G5 actually) is made up of student fee subsidies. Lets just say what it is, you are defending the fact USF doesn't have an on campus stadium with some lame moral high ground about "fiscal responsibility" which makes no sense since even having a football program in the G5 is not "fiscally responsible" per your standards.

$200M for a stadium lmaoooo Wonder how much UCF, FAU, Houston, Tulane spent?

Just the facts.

(02-01-2019 02:50 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  If we averaged 17,000 then the Liberty bowl only seats about 30K because that place is well beyond 1/2 full. Anyone can look at most any Memphis game & easily tell that there’s 35,000+ in the stands.

Breaking News: Memphis is actually undercutting their announced attendance numbers!

(02-01-2019 04:25 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 04:14 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 04:00 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 03:53 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 03:27 PM)panama Wrote:  0-12 was so long ago wasnt it...




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Neither of them were. And for as much as the talk is "we still drew in our 0-12 year," it was only 2 years removed from their Fiesta Bowl win. UCF is only 7 years removed from these "announced" home numbers in the bounce house:

Marshall (24,750)
UTEP (21,127)

Again, USF has no right to make fun of anybody's attendance. But it's not like UCF's attendance is better because their fans are better. It's better because you guys have won 25 of your last 26 games. Prior to this run, you guys drew 27K to the Cure Bowl down the street from your campus.



USFFan

so much comedy in this post. Glad you pulled those two games which were actually torrential downpour games and not really indicative of the fanbase for the season...which I am sure is why you didn't bother posting the whole season's attendance.

Funny you mention high horse since you wanna talk about fiscal responsibility yet are totally fine with spending hundreds of millions on a football program that makes no money.

As for attendance, everyone has ups and downs. I just thought Memphis would be much higher with how good of a run they had this and last year (applies to usf too, actually).

Trust me - I have no idea what games were rainy. Impressed that you know so well so quickly. You know - it's OK to admit that UCF isn't God's gift to college football. The rest of us know that already.

And I'm NOT totally fine with spending hundreds of millions on a football program that makes no money. USF's total athletic expenditure budget for the last year I could easily find (2015) was less than $50MM, and that's for all sports. And they made at least some of that back in revenues, though clearly not nearly that total. Which is why, again, it's not worth sinking an additional ~$200,000,000 into a building that will get used < 10 times a year. Not sure it or I could be any clearer. You seem to be looking for an argument just for the sake of argument more than anything else.

USFFan

all ucf fans know of the marshall monsoon. Was a brutal game.

Again, preaching fiscal responsibility when you're spending hundreds of millions of dollars (50M/yr over many years) is laughable at best. Consider most of USF budget (and most G5 actually) is made up of student fee subsidies. Lets just say what it is, you are defending the fact USF doesn't have an on campus stadium with some lame moral high ground about "fiscal responsibility" which makes no sense since even having a football program in the G5 is not "fiscally responsible" per your standards.

$200M for a stadium lmaoooo Wonder how much UCF, FAU, Houston, Tulane spent?

Just the facts.

Again, you're just looking for an excuse to show you know how to find the button and try to assert your "UCF is superior to USF in every way" bullsh!t. I covered that spending money on fielding an athletic program is in part for students (which justifies using student fees). I said it doesn't justify tying up nine figures to spend on a building. You just keep trying to rehash that apparently you think it is. I guess we'll agree to disagree.

And to be clear, I won't rule out that one day USF will build an OOC. Too many (in my opinion misguided) people continue to push for it. I will not, however, come off my belief that it's a terrible investment that pales in comparison to the current financial neutral aspect of simply having a team.



USFFan

(02-01-2019 04:43 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 04:25 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 04:14 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 04:00 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 03:53 PM)usffan Wrote:  Neither of them were. And for as much as the talk is "we still drew in our 0-12 year," it was only 2 years removed from their Fiesta Bowl win. UCF is only 7 years removed from these "announced" home numbers in the bounce house:

Marshall (24,750)
UTEP (21,127)

Again, USF has no right to make fun of anybody's attendance. But it's not like UCF's attendance is better because their fans are better. It's better because you guys have won 25 of your last 26 games. Prior to this run, you guys drew 27K to the Cure Bowl down the street from your campus.



USFFan

so much comedy in this post. Glad you pulled those two games which were actually torrential downpour games and not really indicative of the fanbase for the season...which I am sure is why you didn't bother posting the whole season's attendance.

Funny you mention high horse since you wanna talk about fiscal responsibility yet are totally fine with spending hundreds of millions on a football program that makes no money.

As for attendance, everyone has ups and downs. I just thought Memphis would be much higher with how good of a run they had this and last year (applies to usf too, actually).

Trust me - I have no idea what games were rainy. Impressed that you know so well so quickly. You know - it's OK to admit that UCF isn't God's gift to college football. The rest of us know that already.

And I'm NOT totally fine with spending hundreds of millions on a football program that makes no money. USF's total athletic expenditure budget for the last year I could easily find (2015) was less than $50MM, and that's for all sports. And they made at least some of that back in revenues, though clearly not nearly that total. Which is why, again, it's not worth sinking an additional ~$200,000,000 into a building that will get used < 10 times a year. Not sure it or I could be any clearer. You seem to be looking for an argument just for the sake of argument more than anything else.

USFFan

all ucf fans know of the marshall monsoon. Was a brutal game.

Again, preaching fiscal responsibility when you're spending hundreds of millions of dollars (50M/yr over many years) is laughable at best. Consider most of USF budget (and most G5 actually) is made up of student fee subsidies. Lets just say what it is, you are defending the fact USF doesn't have an on campus stadium with some lame moral high ground about "fiscal responsibility" which makes no sense since even having a football program in the G5 is not "fiscally responsible" per your standards.

$200M for a stadium lmaoooo Wonder how much UCF, FAU, Houston, Tulane spent?

Just the facts.

Again, you're just looking for an excuse to show you know how to find the button and try to assert your "UCF is superior to USF in every way" bullsh!t. I covered that spending money on fielding an athletic program is in part for students (which justifies using student fees). I said it doesn't justify tying up nine figures to spend on a building. You just keep trying to rehash that apparently you think it is. I guess we'll agree to disagree.

And to be clear, I won't rule out that one day USF will build an OOC. Too many (in my opinion misguided) people continue to push for it. I will not, however, come off my belief that it's a terrible investment that pales in comparison to the current financial neutral aspect of simply having a team.



USFFan

you: spending a ton of money on a stadium is fiscally irresponsible.
also you: spending a ton of money on a football program that 3K students care about is extremely fiscally responsible.

Don't you see how silly that is? Just admit you'd like a stadium but since usf is not building one anytime soon you have to pretend you don't want one. I think you can think of a better excuse than fiscally irresponsible though considering how much money usf and other G5s lose on the football program itself. Should just use what other USF fans do and say that you prefer the amenities of an NFL stadium. Makes way more sense.

(02-01-2019 04:32 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 02:50 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  If we averaged 17,000 then the Liberty bowl only seats about 30K because that place is well beyond 1/2 full. Anyone can look at most any Memphis game & easily tell that there’s 35,000+ in the stands.

Breaking News: Memphis is actually undercutting their announced attendance numbers!

Mainly because the stadium is run by the incompetent city and the ticket scanners don’t work half the time.

(02-01-2019 03:59 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Is it a coincidence these football attendance articles are coming out when we are debating whether to go to the open market or take what ESPN is offering?

makes you wonder...doesn't it?

(02-01-2019 04:32 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 02:50 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  If we averaged 17,000 then the Liberty bowl only seats about 30K because that place is well beyond 1/2 full. Anyone can look at most any Memphis game & easily tell that there’s 35,000+ in the stands.

Breaking News: Memphis is actually undercutting their announced attendance numbers!

LOL!

When you lie, at least pretend to keep it in the realm of possibility...but this Tiger Fan went way off on this one.

(02-01-2019 04:03 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 01:00 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 12:38 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Can't wait for the rest of the conference members' actual attendance threads!

We're private, so don't hold your breath bro.

Actual average is probably about 6-7k.

Our president and board are in the middle of changing some structural issues to deal with a building boom we had, followed by the restriction of international students (particularly from oil rich areas), and the weakening oil markets. We also took over a museum that was in a mess and took us years to sort out and now is getting set up correctly. Right now the AD runs a clean program, takes care of stuff so the President can focus on the overhaul, our coaches are nice guys and well liked. Right now athletics is on cruise control. We will have to wait till next year to see major changes some fans/alumni think are inevitable. But let me win the lottery and watch what happens a week later.

The Kaiser Foundation has been kind to TU and Tulsa so you can't ask much more of them. But man it would be nice if Mr. Kaiser personally decided to become our Boone Pickens and took us to another level.

There have been a few people in a century plus that have helped us to keep going. The history of the city is full of those same people. It's why I want to pull my hair out about this whole situation. The President is actually doing it right, but it's hard to watch him sit on his hands in regards to the athletic department, while everybody else is petal down right now. The AD has to go, he isn't even trying on our scheduling which is the one thing he has no excuse for. Everything else he does technically ok. But we need a Glenn Dobbs type right now and we have a nice guy who does great paperwork. We don't have a salesman in our current crop of coaches and PR is Dr. Graggs most glaring weakness so it's a bad combination.

UCF fans after a nice juicy attendance article

LOL Memphis...HORRIBLE

(02-01-2019 01:04 PM)usffan Wrote:  Reason number 32,495,239,875 why it would be incredibly stupid to drop nine figures on building an on-campus stadium when college football attendance is down across the country.

https://lastwordoncollegefootball.com/20...ttendance/

It's a problem at just about every school, though winning does mask it to at least a limited extent...

USFFan

I attribute this attendance problem to two things. The apathy of the Millennials, and big screen 4k TV sets.

(02-01-2019 05:37 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 03:59 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Is it a coincidence these football attendance articles are coming out when we are debating whether to go to the open market or take what ESPN is offering?

makes you wonder...doesn't it?

My brother used to put a 'Judy Doll' in the passenger seat so he could drive in the express lane in San Diego. Hey, as long as you've got two people in the car.

Memphis should do the same thing at the Liberty Bowl. That'll get those numbers up.

(02-01-2019 07:52 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 05:37 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 03:59 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Is it a coincidence these football attendance articles are coming out when we are debating whether to go to the open market or take what ESPN is offering?

makes you wonder...doesn't it?

My brother used to put a 'Judy Doll' in the passenger seat so he could drive in the express lane in San Diego. Hey, as long as you've got two people in the car.

Memphis should do the same thing at the Liberty Bowl. That'll get those numbers up.

Not sure what Memphis is going to do, but I'm going to talk to Tulsa's athletic department about getting this done.