I guess we can all agree that UCF is the best at everything? I'll just wait for them to release their actuals...oh wait.

Don’t worry Memphis. With Temple football back on your schedule next year y’all will have at least one sell out.

(02-01-2019 01:07 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 01:04 PM)usffan Wrote:  Reason number 32,495,239,875 why it would be incredibly stupid to drop nine figures on building an on-campus stadium when college football attendance is down across the country.

https://lastwordoncollegefootball.com/20...ttendance/

It's a problem at just about every school, though winning does mask it to at least a limited extent...

USFFan

So paying rent on a much more expensive, 70,000 seat stadium that give you almost no revenue and you never get close to filling makes better financial sense? You realize you pay off a new stadium, it's yours, and maintenance is the cost.

So would you lease a car for three decades?

Leasing a car for an annual fee that's <<<1% of the total cost that doesn't cost us a penny to maintain at the sacrifice of revenue from overpriced refreshments is a far better use of money than buying a stadium that will be outdated within 25 years (leading to increased expenditures on updating it to appropriate amenities), at a time when attendance is dramatically falling because fans are voting with their feet that they'd rather watch the games on high definition TV's sure seems like a fiscally sound plan to me...

USFFan

(02-01-2019 01:04 PM)usffan Wrote:  Reason number 32,495,239,875 why it would be incredibly stupid to drop nine figures on building an on-campus stadium when college football attendance is down across the country.

https://lastwordoncollegefootball.com/20...ttendance/

It's a problem at just about every school, though winning does mask it to at least a limited extent...

USFFan

Several things:

1) Dozens of teams have moved up from Div I-AA over the last 20 years and almost all average 25,000 or less fans per game which have brought down Div I-A overall attendance average.

2) Fan going experience has changed...with more and more schools building new stadiums and or renovating old ones by adding revenue amenities while reducing some general seating capacity.

Fans will now pay $200 plus per Tix for an "experience" in a club, loge or even.more for a suite vs.paying $20 for an end zone bleacher seat.

Gone are the days of building just "bleacher stadiums" as the new focus is on increasing revenue.

this is usf level bad.

(02-01-2019 01:04 PM)usffan Wrote:  Reason number 32,495,239,875 why it would be incredibly stupid to drop nine figures on building an on-campus stadium when college football attendance is down across the country.

https://lastwordoncollegefootball.com/20...ttendance/

It's a problem at just about every school, though winning does mask it to at least a limited extent...

USFFan

LOL Thats a mentality only a fball team that cant get fans would have. notice how pretty much every school has an on campus stadium and those that don't lag way behind in attendance and revenue? Im sure thats just a coincidence and everyone will be demolishing their stadium soon to play in nearby rented off campus stadiums

If we averaged 17,000 then the Liberty bowl only seats about 30K because that place is well beyond 1/2 full. Anyone can look at most any Memphis game & easily tell that there’s 35,000+ in the stands.

(02-01-2019 12:47 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Uhhhhhhh those are USF type horrible numbers.

(02-01-2019 12:50 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  Yikes! These are usf kind of numbers.

(02-01-2019 02:41 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  this is usf level bad.

USFFan

This is complete bs. All you have to do is look at the pictures/footage of each game to know this is way off.


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(02-01-2019 02:43 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 01:04 PM)usffan Wrote:  Reason number 32,495,239,875 why it would be incredibly stupid to drop nine figures on building an on-campus stadium when college football attendance is down across the country.

https://lastwordoncollegefootball.com/20...ttendance/

It's a problem at just about every school, though winning does mask it to at least a limited extent...

USFFan

LOL Thats a mentality only a fball team that cant get fans would have. notice how pretty much every school has an on campus stadium and those that don't lag way behind in attendance and revenue? Im sure thats just a coincidence and everyone will be demolishing their stadium soon to play in nearby rented off campus stadiums

Man, you have NO idea how much I look forward to UCF coming back to Earth and the karmic retribution some of your fans are going to face. Then again, I think most will have been long gone from boards like this...

USFFan

(02-01-2019 03:04 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 02:43 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 01:04 PM)usffan Wrote:  Reason number 32,495,239,875 why it would be incredibly stupid to drop nine figures on building an on-campus stadium when college football attendance is down across the country.

https://lastwordoncollegefootball.com/20...ttendance/

It's a problem at just about every school, though winning does mask it to at least a limited extent...

USFFan

LOL Thats a mentality only a fball team that cant get fans would have. notice how pretty much every school has an on campus stadium and those that don't lag way behind in attendance and revenue? Im sure thats just a coincidence and everyone will be demolishing their stadium soon to play in nearby rented off campus stadiums

Man, you have NO idea how much I look forward to UCF coming back to Earth and the karmic retribution some of your fans are going to face. Then again, I think most will have been long gone from boards like this...

USFFan

even if we suck again you're still going to be touting out playing in a rented off campus stadium with a pirate ship and pink seats is so much better than building your own on campus stadium right?

The funny thing is usf has had the best run in its history the last few years and draws flies. You'd think that would be enough to convince their fans they need an on campus stadium but nope...too much pride is a terrible thing

(02-01-2019 02:50 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  If we averaged 17,000 then the Liberty bowl only seats about 30K because that place is well beyond 1/2 full. Anyone can look at most any Memphis game & easily tell that there’s 35,000+ in the stands.

So now Memphis suddenly averaged 5,000 plus more per game than they even REPORTED? (Announced attendance average was 30,178)

Remember, Memphis put up tarps in end zones to push people closer to sideline sections...and I think most fans (most on this board have never been to a game at the Liberty Bowl) don't realize just how big that stadium is (especially sideline sections), as there are over 100 rows to their sideline sections (and most games, no one from Memphis sat about row 40).

Heck, UCF's stadium only has 45 rows all around the stadium (really not a bad seat in the house...as seats/sections built close to the field)...as Liberty Bowl has more than twice as many rows on their sideline sections.

Bottom line...Memphis didn't have any attractive non-conf home game...as they normally get a huge boost when they get to host one of their neighbors like Ole Miss (which they will in 2019) or Miss St in 2021...but their home slate for 2020 and 2022 looks pretty bad:

2020 non-conf home games:
09/05 - Arkansas State
09/19 - Div I-AA UT Martin

2022 non-conf home games:
09/03 - Arkansas State
09/17 - North Texas
10/01 - Div I-AA North Alabama

Man, football offseason sucks.

(02-01-2019 03:07 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 03:04 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 02:43 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 01:04 PM)usffan Wrote:  Reason number 32,495,239,875 why it would be incredibly stupid to drop nine figures on building an on-campus stadium when college football attendance is down across the country.

https://lastwordoncollegefootball.com/20...ttendance/

It's a problem at just about every school, though winning does mask it to at least a limited extent...

USFFan

LOL Thats a mentality only a fball team that cant get fans would have. notice how pretty much every school has an on campus stadium and those that don't lag way behind in attendance and revenue? Im sure thats just a coincidence and everyone will be demolishing their stadium soon to play in nearby rented off campus stadiums

Man, you have NO idea how much I look forward to UCF coming back to Earth and the karmic retribution some of your fans are going to face. Then again, I think most will have been long gone from boards like this...

USFFan

even if we suck again you're still going to be touting out playing in a rented off campus stadium with a pirate ship and pink seats is so much better than building your own on campus stadium right?

You bet your a$$ I will. In the long run, it's financially irresponsible. Not that you'll ever know - your athletic department now lives behind a privatized firewall.

Quote:The funny thing is usf has had the best run in its history the last few years and draws flies. You'd think that would be enough to convince their fans they need an on campus stadium but nope...too much pride is a terrible thing

I have no excuse for our pathetic and fickle fan base. Too many students were spoiled by the Big East and now look down their noses. We deserve that scorn. But what rankles is the way so many UCF fans suddenly feel some sense of righteous superiority in telling us what to do. You're drawing very well because your team has been playing exceptionally well. But the empty stands dancing girl from just a few years ago should serve as a reminder that that success can turn back around, which is why you're really just a sh!tty coaching hire and/or somebody poaching Danny White away from potential oblivion again. So you can take your air of superiority and put it where the sun don't shine.

USFFan

(02-01-2019 03:17 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 03:07 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 03:04 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 02:43 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 01:04 PM)usffan Wrote:  Reason number 32,495,239,875 why it would be incredibly stupid to drop nine figures on building an on-campus stadium when college football attendance is down across the country.

https://lastwordoncollegefootball.com/20...ttendance/

It's a problem at just about every school, though winning does mask it to at least a limited extent...

USFFan

LOL Thats a mentality only a fball team that cant get fans would have. notice how pretty much every school has an on campus stadium and those that don't lag way behind in attendance and revenue? Im sure thats just a coincidence and everyone will be demolishing their stadium soon to play in nearby rented off campus stadiums

Man, you have NO idea how much I look forward to UCF coming back to Earth and the karmic retribution some of your fans are going to face. Then again, I think most will have been long gone from boards like this...

USFFan

even if we suck again you're still going to be touting out playing in a rented off campus stadium with a pirate ship and pink seats is so much better than building your own on campus stadium right?

You bet your a$$ I will. In the long run, it's financially irresponsible. Not that you'll ever know - your athletic department now lives behind a privatized firewall.

Quote:The funny thing is usf has had the best run in its history the last few years and draws flies. You'd think that would be enough to convince their fans they need an on campus stadium but nope...too much pride is a terrible thing

I have no excuse for our pathetic and fickle fan base. Too many students were spoiled by the Big East and now look down their noses. We deserve that scorn. But what rankles is the way so many UCF fans suddenly feel some sense of righteous superiority in telling us what to do. You're drawing very well because your team has been playing exceptionally well. But the empty stands dancing girl from just a few years ago should serve as a reminder that that success can turn back around, which is why you're really just a sh!tty coaching hire and/or somebody poaching Danny White away from potential oblivion again. So you can take your air of superiority and put it where the sun don't shine.

USFFan

we drew as well in our 0-12 season as usf did this year or last year. Let that sink in.

lmao at calling something fiscally irresponsible when referring to college sports.
Maybe usf and 90% of college football programs should just shut down because its "fiscally irresonsible" and doesn't make any money whatsoever without student subsidies? the faux moral outrage there is laughable at best. You can't be sincere?

(02-01-2019 03:09 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  So now Memphis suddenly averaged 5,000 plus more per game than they even REPORTED? (Announced attendance average was 30,178)

Remember, Memphis put up tarps in end zones to push people closer to sideline sections...and I think most fans (most on this board have never been to a game at the Liberty Bowl) don't realize just how big that stadium is (especially sideline sections), as there are over 100 rows to their sideline sections (and most games, no one from Memphis sat about row 40).

My season tickets are on row 42 and there’s a good 30 rows of people who sit behind us.

(02-01-2019 12:47 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Uhhhhhhh those are USF type horrible numbers.

Memphis has had a team that went to the title game 2 years in a row and they can't get 25K a game? Multiple game's in the 15-20K range?

What's going on in Memphis?

0-12 was so long ago wasnt it...




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(02-01-2019 03:03 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  This is complete bs. All you have to do is look at the pictures/footage of each game to know this is way off.


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I gather it was supposed to be more of an indictment on the home schedule which is fair. Basically, you've got a reporter confirming the numbers are off...something that would never have happened back in print days. Of course, running a story with questionable figures may or may not have made it to print in the first place. At least there's a platform to get the info out there.

(02-01-2019 03:24 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 03:17 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 03:07 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 03:04 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 02:43 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  LOL Thats a mentality only a fball team that cant get fans would have. notice how pretty much every school has an on campus stadium and those that don't lag way behind in attendance and revenue? Im sure thats just a coincidence and everyone will be demolishing their stadium soon to play in nearby rented off campus stadiums

Man, you have NO idea how much I look forward to UCF coming back to Earth and the karmic retribution some of your fans are going to face. Then again, I think most will have been long gone from boards like this...

USFFan

even if we suck again you're still going to be touting out playing in a rented off campus stadium with a pirate ship and pink seats is so much better than building your own on campus stadium right?

You bet your a$$ I will. In the long run, it's financially irresponsible. Not that you'll ever know - your athletic department now lives behind a privatized firewall.

Quote:The funny thing is usf has had the best run in its history the last few years and draws flies. You'd think that would be enough to convince their fans they need an on campus stadium but nope...too much pride is a terrible thing

I have no excuse for our pathetic and fickle fan base. Too many students were spoiled by the Big East and now look down their noses. We deserve that scorn. But what rankles is the way so many UCF fans suddenly feel some sense of righteous superiority in telling us what to do. You're drawing very well because your team has been playing exceptionally well. But the empty stands dancing girl from just a few years ago should serve as a reminder that that success can turn back around, which is why you're really just a sh!tty coaching hire and/or somebody poaching Danny White away from potential oblivion again. So you can take your air of superiority and put it where the sun don't shine.

USFFan

we drew as well in our 0-12 season as usf did this year or last year. Let that sink in.

lmao at calling something fiscally irresponsible when referring to college sports.
Maybe usf and 90% of college football programs should just shut down because its "fiscally irresonsible" and doesn't make any money whatsoever without student subsidies? the faux moral outrage there is laughable at best. You can't be sincere?

Of course, that's your "announced" attendance. Don't hold your breath on the Orlando Sentinel ever getting their hands on your turnstile numbers.

As for fiscally responsible - colleges and universities have long realized that they're in the customer service business, only the customers are students. Other than the academic elites who can get by almost exclusively on the value of their degrees (i.e. the Ivy's, Rice, Tulane, Stanford, etc. - if I omitted an elite school, it wasn't an intentional slight), universities realize they need amenities to be attractive to students. This is why they now have palatial dorms, lazy rivers, popular restaurants on campus, Publixes - anything to make themselves more attractive. Another of those things is athletics. It's an advertising service, which is why schools will invest in it and not expect it to be profitable on its face.

However, that doesn't justify spending hundred(s) of millions of dollars on a building that gets used < 10 days a year.

USFFan

I was at the Memphis opener vs Mercer...there were 29,000+ actual butts in the seats.

I was at the homecoming game against UConn and we had at the very least 20,000+ actual butts in the seats.

I was at the season finale against Houston and there were definitely more than 20,000+ actual butts in the seats.

I question those reported numbers...