(03-23-2019 02:12 PM)pesik Wrote:  so i just glimpsed into the Cincinnati forum..and the main issue at Cincinnati fans have is recruiting.... THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE!

here is Cincinnati's offensive rank when cincy was getting 4/5 stars in the big east (according to kenpm: which cincy fans love)

2015 94
2014 98
2013 118
2012 62
2011 55
2010 120

i said it before and uc fans attacked.....mick cronin doesnt know how to develop the offense of his players ..if he got more 4stars he'd just nagg into them the importance of defense, deflections and not turning the ball over...

To me Cincy is the team that has benefitted most from UConn/Memphis struggling since 2014. Mick's defense works against most of the conference teams who don't have the athlete/shooters to defeat it. They have struggled when SMU was good with Larry Brown/Janks first year and then this year with Sampson and Houston.

As soon as they get into the tournament and face a team with even a little athleticism or the ability to hit the 3, they fold. Iowa was the perfect example.

Going forward, Cronin either has to change his style of play or get better players. With UConn and Memphis bringing in Top 15 classes, Houston in great shape going forward, and Witchia bringing back most of their team and a nice recruiting class, I see Cincy falling back to the middle of the league.

They may still be solid next year if Cumberland comes back (I do think he will test the NBA process as he should) but after that I expect a drop-off unless his recruiting improves.

(03-24-2019 02:23 PM)BFieldHusky Wrote:  

(03-23-2019 02:12 PM)pesik Wrote:  so i just glimpsed into the Cincinnati forum..and the main issue at Cincinnati fans have is recruiting.... THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE!

here is Cincinnati's offensive rank when cincy was getting 4/5 stars in the big east (according to kenpm: which cincy fans love)

2015 94
2014 98
2013 118
2012 62
2011 55
2010 120

i said it before and uc fans attacked.....mick cronin doesnt know how to develop the offense of his players ..if he got more 4stars he'd just nagg into them the importance of defense, deflections and not turning the ball over...

To me Cincy is the team that has benefitted most from UConn/Memphis struggling since 2014. Mick's defense works against most of the conference teams who don't have the athlete/shooters to defeat it. They have struggled when SMU was good with Larry Brown/Janks first year and then this year with Sampson and Houston.

As soon as they get into the tournament and face a team with even a little athleticism or the ability to hit the 3, they fold. Iowa was the perfect example.

Going forward, Cronin either has to change his style of play or get better players. With UConn and Memphis bringing in Top 15 classes, Houston in great shape going forward, and Witchia bringing back most of their team and a nice recruiting class, I see Cincy falling back to the middle of the league.

They may still be solid next year if Cumberland comes back (I do think he will test the NBA process as he should) but after that I expect a drop-off unless his recruiting improves.

very fair analysis.

(03-24-2019 02:27 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(03-24-2019 02:23 PM)BFieldHusky Wrote:  

(03-23-2019 02:12 PM)pesik Wrote:  so i just glimpsed into the Cincinnati forum..and the main issue at Cincinnati fans have is recruiting.... THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE!

here is Cincinnati's offensive rank when cincy was getting 4/5 stars in the big east (according to kenpm: which cincy fans love)

2015 94
2014 98
2013 118
2012 62
2011 55
2010 120

i said it before and uc fans attacked.....mick cronin doesnt know how to develop the offense of his players ..if he got more 4stars he'd just nagg into them the importance of defense, deflections and not turning the ball over...

To me Cincy is the team that has benefitted most from UConn/Memphis struggling since 2014. Mick's defense works against most of the conference teams who don't have the athlete/shooters to defeat it. They have struggled when SMU was good with Larry Brown/Janks first year and then this year with Sampson and Houston.

As soon as they get into the tournament and face a team with even a little athleticism or the ability to hit the 3, they fold. Iowa was the perfect example.

Going forward, Cronin either has to change his style of play or get better players. With UConn and Memphis bringing in Top 15 classes, Houston in great shape going forward, and Witchia bringing back most of their team and a nice recruiting class, I see Cincy falling back to the middle of the league.

They may still be solid next year if Cumberland comes back (I do think he will test the NBA process as he should) but after that I expect a drop-off unless his recruiting improves.

very fair analysis.

this is spot on....

(03-24-2019 03:29 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(03-24-2019 02:27 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(03-24-2019 02:23 PM)BFieldHusky Wrote:  

(03-23-2019 02:12 PM)pesik Wrote:  so i just glimpsed into the Cincinnati forum..and the main issue at Cincinnati fans have is recruiting.... THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE!

here is Cincinnati's offensive rank when cincy was getting 4/5 stars in the big east (according to kenpm: which cincy fans love)

2015 94
2014 98
2013 118
2012 62
2011 55
2010 120

i said it before and uc fans attacked.....mick cronin doesnt know how to develop the offense of his players ..if he got more 4stars he'd just nagg into them the importance of defense, deflections and not turning the ball over...

To me Cincy is the team that has benefitted most from UConn/Memphis struggling since 2014. Mick's defense works against most of the conference teams who don't have the athlete/shooters to defeat it. They have struggled when SMU was good with Larry Brown/Janks first year and then this year with Sampson and Houston.

As soon as they get into the tournament and face a team with even a little athleticism or the ability to hit the 3, they fold. Iowa was the perfect example.

Going forward, Cronin either has to change his style of play or get better players. With UConn and Memphis bringing in Top 15 classes, Houston in great shape going forward, and Witchia bringing back most of their team and a nice recruiting class, I see Cincy falling back to the middle of the league.

They may still be solid next year if Cumberland comes back (I do think he will test the NBA process as he should) but after that I expect a drop-off unless his recruiting improves.

very fair analysis.

this is spot on....

I agree, except I think that next year will be more indicative of what Cincy as a program under Cronin will do with a returning UConn, Memphis, and the add of Wichita, an elevated Houston program. Remember we are a year early generally as a conference and for Cincy definitely. Cumberland coming into his own and Jennifer deleting turnovers, upping assists, and improving his outside shooting pushed Cincinnati ahead of schedule.

The team next year will be a good guide of how the Bearcats will compete every other year since Cronin has been so consistent and develops solid teams with small dips in individual years. UConn should be well on it's way back, Wichita will be a more typical Wichita team, Memphis will give us a sneak peek into their program under Penny, and Houston will be the Houston we can begin to consistently expect. Temple will still be a bit of a question from the Mckie take over but everyone else should be roughly where they will be as a program for the next few years.

(03-24-2019 03:40 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(03-24-2019 03:29 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(03-24-2019 02:27 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(03-24-2019 02:23 PM)BFieldHusky Wrote:  

(03-23-2019 02:12 PM)pesik Wrote:  so i just glimpsed into the Cincinnati forum..and the main issue at Cincinnati fans have is recruiting.... THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE!

here is Cincinnati's offensive rank when cincy was getting 4/5 stars in the big east (according to kenpm: which cincy fans love)

2015 94
2014 98
2013 118
2012 62
2011 55
2010 120

i said it before and uc fans attacked.....mick cronin doesnt know how to develop the offense of his players ..if he got more 4stars he'd just nagg into them the importance of defense, deflections and not turning the ball over...

To me Cincy is the team that has benefitted most from UConn/Memphis struggling since 2014. Mick's defense works against most of the conference teams who don't have the athlete/shooters to defeat it. They have struggled when SMU was good with Larry Brown/Janks first year and then this year with Sampson and Houston.

As soon as they get into the tournament and face a team with even a little athleticism or the ability to hit the 3, they fold. Iowa was the perfect example.

Going forward, Cronin either has to change his style of play or get better players. With UConn and Memphis bringing in Top 15 classes, Houston in great shape going forward, and Witchia bringing back most of their team and a nice recruiting class, I see Cincy falling back to the middle of the league.

They may still be solid next year if Cumberland comes back (I do think he will test the NBA process as he should) but after that I expect a drop-off unless his recruiting improves.

very fair analysis.

this is spot on....

I agree, except I think that next year will be more indicative of what Cincy as a program under Cronin will do with a returning UConn, Memphis, and the add of Wichita, an elevated Houston program. Remember we are a year early generally as a conference and for Cincy definitely. Cumberland coming into his own and Jennifer deleting turnovers, upping assists, and improving his outside shooting pushed Cincinnati ahead of schedule.

The team next year will be a good guide of how the Bearcats will compete every other year since Cronin has been so consistent and develops solid teams with small dips in individual years. UConn should be well on it's way back, Wichita will be a more typical Wichita team, Memphis will give us a sneak peek into their program under Penny, and Houston will be the Houston we can begin to consistently expect. Temple will still be a bit of a question from the Mckie take over but everyone else should be roughly where they will be as a program for the next few years.

UCONN is at least two years out.

Memphis probably same.

(03-24-2019 03:40 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(03-24-2019 03:29 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(03-24-2019 02:27 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(03-24-2019 02:23 PM)BFieldHusky Wrote:  

(03-23-2019 02:12 PM)pesik Wrote:  so i just glimpsed into the Cincinnati forum..and the main issue at Cincinnati fans have is recruiting.... THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE!

here is Cincinnati's offensive rank when cincy was getting 4/5 stars in the big east (according to kenpm: which cincy fans love)

2015 94
2014 98
2013 118
2012 62
2011 55
2010 120

i said it before and uc fans attacked.....mick cronin doesnt know how to develop the offense of his players ..if he got more 4stars he'd just nagg into them the importance of defense, deflections and not turning the ball over...

To me Cincy is the team that has benefitted most from UConn/Memphis struggling since 2014. Mick's defense works against most of the conference teams who don't have the athlete/shooters to defeat it. They have struggled when SMU was good with Larry Brown/Janks first year and then this year with Sampson and Houston.

As soon as they get into the tournament and face a team with even a little athleticism or the ability to hit the 3, they fold. Iowa was the perfect example.

Going forward, Cronin either has to change his style of play or get better players. With UConn and Memphis bringing in Top 15 classes, Houston in great shape going forward, and Witchia bringing back most of their team and a nice recruiting class, I see Cincy falling back to the middle of the league.

They may still be solid next year if Cumberland comes back (I do think he will test the NBA process as he should) but after that I expect a drop-off unless his recruiting improves.

very fair analysis.

this is spot on....

I agree, except I think that next year will be more indicative of what Cincy as a program under Cronin will do with a returning UConn, Memphis, and the add of Wichita, an elevated Houston program. Remember we are a year early generally as a conference and for Cincy definitely. Cumberland coming into his own and Jennifer deleting turnovers, upping assists, and improving his outside shooting pushed Cincinnati ahead of schedule.

The team next year will be a good guide of how the Bearcats will compete every other year since Cronin has been so consistent and develops solid teams with small dips in individual years. UConn should be well on it's way back, Wichita will be a more typical Wichita team, Memphis will give us a sneak peek into their program under Penny, and Houston will be the Houston we can begin to consistently expect. Temple will still be a bit of a question from the Mckie take over but everyone else should be roughly where they will be as a program for the next few years.

I think Houston takes a step back next year. Davis and Robinson will be a far greater loss than Jennifer and Broome for Cincinnati. I have no idea, who fills those minutes. I predict Houston to fall to fourth or worse. I Have no idea where Wichta will finish but I don't think they can be a contender without McDuffie. They will need at least another year. Temple has the best returning nucleus of the teams mentioned. They bring back Rose, Pierre, and Moorman. The great unknown is Mckie. Memphis has Harris and Lomax coupled with Wiseman and another four star. They could make some noise, but this is not a roster that is comparable to Kentucky(a team that can plug and play freshman). If they could mix these high riser freshman with the current Memphis roster, I would say definitely, but to put Memphis at the top of the league is a stretch. Uconn has the best chance to immediately turn it around. Vital and Carlton are strong players. Gilbert goes into the iffy category with all his recent injuries. They also have at least three strong 4 star players along with some other returners. As long as Hurley gets it right, Uconn should do very well within the league.

(03-24-2019 04:03 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(03-24-2019 03:40 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(03-24-2019 03:29 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(03-24-2019 02:27 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(03-24-2019 02:23 PM)BFieldHusky Wrote:  To me Cincy is the team that has benefitted most from UConn/Memphis struggling since 2014. Mick's defense works against most of the conference teams who don't have the athlete/shooters to defeat it. They have struggled when SMU was good with Larry Brown/Janks first year and then this year with Sampson and Houston.

As soon as they get into the tournament and face a team with even a little athleticism or the ability to hit the 3, they fold. Iowa was the perfect example.

Going forward, Cronin either has to change his style of play or get better players. With UConn and Memphis bringing in Top 15 classes, Houston in great shape going forward, and Witchia bringing back most of their team and a nice recruiting class, I see Cincy falling back to the middle of the league.

They may still be solid next year if Cumberland comes back (I do think he will test the NBA process as he should) but after that I expect a drop-off unless his recruiting improves.

very fair analysis.

this is spot on....

I agree, except I think that next year will be more indicative of what Cincy as a program under Cronin will do with a returning UConn, Memphis, and the add of Wichita, an elevated Houston program. Remember we are a year early generally as a conference and for Cincy definitely. Cumberland coming into his own and Jennifer deleting turnovers, upping assists, and improving his outside shooting pushed Cincinnati ahead of schedule.

The team next year will be a good guide of how the Bearcats will compete every other year since Cronin has been so consistent and develops solid teams with small dips in individual years. UConn should be well on it's way back, Wichita will be a more typical Wichita team, Memphis will give us a sneak peek into their program under Penny, and Houston will be the Houston we can begin to consistently expect. Temple will still be a bit of a question from the Mckie take over but everyone else should be roughly where they will be as a program for the next few years.

I think Houston takes a step back next year. Davis and Robinson will be a far greater loss than Jennifer and Broome for Cincinnati. I have no idea, who fills those minutes. I predict Houston to fall to fourth or worse. I Have no idea where Wichta will finish but I don't think they can be a contender without McDuffie. They will need at least another year. Temple has the best returning nucleus of the teams mentioned. They bring back Rose, Pierre, and Moorman. The great unknown is Mckie. Memphis has Harris and Lomax coupled with Wiseman and another four star. They could make some noise, but this is not a roster that is comparable to Kentucky(a team that can plug and play freshman). If they could mix these high riser freshman with the current Memphis roster, I would say definitely, but to put Memphis at the top of the league is a stretch. Uconn has the best chance to immediately turn it around. Vital and Carlton are strong players. Gilbert goes into the iffy category with all his recent injuries. They also have at least three strong 4 star players along with some other returners. As long as Hurley gets it right, Uconn should do very well within the league.

Where have I heard this before?

(03-24-2019 02:23 PM)BFieldHusky Wrote:  

(03-23-2019 02:12 PM)pesik Wrote:  so i just glimpsed into the Cincinnati forum..and the main issue at Cincinnati fans have is recruiting.... THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE!

here is Cincinnati's offensive rank when cincy was getting 4/5 stars in the big east (according to kenpm: which cincy fans love)

2015 94
2014 98
2013 118
2012 62
2011 55
2010 120

i said it before and uc fans attacked.....mick cronin doesnt know how to develop the offense of his players ..if he got more 4stars he'd just nagg into them the importance of defense, deflections and not turning the ball over...

To me Cincy is the team that has benefitted most from UConn/Memphis struggling since 2014. Mick's defense works against most of the conference teams who don't have the athlete/shooters to defeat it. They have struggled when SMU was good with Larry Brown/Janks first year and then this year with Sampson and Houston.

As soon as they get into the tournament and face a team with even a little athleticism or the ability to hit the 3, they fold. Iowa was the perfect example.

Going forward, Cronin either has to change his style of play or get better players. With UConn and Memphis bringing in Top 15 classes, Houston in great shape going forward, and Witchia bringing back most of their team and a nice recruiting class, I see Cincy falling back to the middle of the league.

They may still be solid next year if Cumberland comes back (I do think he will test the NBA process as he should) but after that I expect a drop-off unless his recruiting improves.

i dont think its recruiting.....their offense was bad even when they were getting recruits..

houston went to ncaa last year with 1 3star PG and 4 juco..and most feel we could have gotten to the finals, if not for the miracel jumper

there are similar number of touted players on cincy this year s houston, looking at purely recruiting

dejon at the beginning of the season dejon couldnt hit a contested layup and couldnt hit a shot (started the season 1-11 from 3)..(only 24% in umass)....there was an interview earlier in the season where sampson spends like 15 mins talking about the fundamental flaws in dejon layup technique ..dejon now rarely misses contested layups and has been shooting 60% from 3 since midseason...

... i went to a summer seminar with sampson this summer he spent the full hour talking about the spacing in offense for shooters (more specifically the importance of maintaining that spacing)

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ive watched tons of interview with cronin, he has never once spoken about offense...when directly asked about offense, he deflects it back to defense ..ive seen him talk technical defense an uncountable amount of times, never once offense

i dont think recruiting in the issue, i think what needs to happen is Cincinnati needs to hire a proven offensive coach as an assistant and then trust him to do his job

(03-23-2019 02:12 PM)pesik Wrote:  so i just glimpsed into the Cincinnati forum..and the main issue at Cincinnati fans have is recruiting.... THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE!

here is Cincinnati's offensive rank when cincy was getting 4/5 stars in the big east (according to kenpm: which cincy fans love)

2015 94
2014 98
2013 118
2012 62
2011 55
2010 120

i said it before and uc fans attacked.....mick cronin doesnt know how to develop the offense of his players ..if he got more 4stars he'd just nagg into them the importance of defense, deflections and not turning the ball over...

Your concern for UC Basketball is noted and appreciated...

(03-24-2019 04:03 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(03-24-2019 03:40 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(03-24-2019 03:29 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(03-24-2019 02:27 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(03-24-2019 02:23 PM)BFieldHusky Wrote:  To me Cincy is the team that has benefitted most from UConn/Memphis struggling since 2014. Mick's defense works against most of the conference teams who don't have the athlete/shooters to defeat it. They have struggled when SMU was good with Larry Brown/Janks first year and then this year with Sampson and Houston.

As soon as they get into the tournament and face a team with even a little athleticism or the ability to hit the 3, they fold. Iowa was the perfect example.

Going forward, Cronin either has to change his style of play or get better players. With UConn and Memphis bringing in Top 15 classes, Houston in great shape going forward, and Witchia bringing back most of their team and a nice recruiting class, I see Cincy falling back to the middle of the league.

They may still be solid next year if Cumberland comes back (I do think he will test the NBA process as he should) but after that I expect a drop-off unless his recruiting improves.

very fair analysis.

this is spot on....

I agree, except I think that next year will be more indicative of what Cincy as a program under Cronin will do with a returning UConn, Memphis, and the add of Wichita, an elevated Houston program. Remember we are a year early generally as a conference and for Cincy definitely. Cumberland coming into his own and Jennifer deleting turnovers, upping assists, and improving his outside shooting pushed Cincinnati ahead of schedule.

The team next year will be a good guide of how the Bearcats will compete every other year since Cronin has been so consistent and develops solid teams with small dips in individual years. UConn should be well on it's way back, Wichita will be a more typical Wichita team, Memphis will give us a sneak peek into their program under Penny, and Houston will be the Houston we can begin to consistently expect. Temple will still be a bit of a question from the Mckie take over but everyone else should be roughly where they will be as a program for the next few years.

I think Houston takes a step back next year. Davis and Robinson will be a far greater loss than Jennifer and Broome for Cincinnati. I have no idea, who fills those minutes. I predict Houston to fall to fourth or worse. I Have no idea where Wichta will finish but I don't think they can be a contender without McDuffie. They will need at least another year. Temple has the best returning nucleus of the teams mentioned. They bring back Rose, Pierre, and Moorman. The great unknown is Mckie. Memphis has Harris and Lomax coupled with Wiseman and another four star. They could make some noise, but this is not a roster that is comparable to Kentucky(a team that can plug and play freshman). If they could mix these high riser freshman with the current Memphis roster, I would say definitely, but to put Memphis at the top of the league is a stretch. Uconn has the best chance to immediately turn it around. Vital and Carlton are strong players. Gilbert goes into the iffy category with all his recent injuries. They also have at least three strong 4 star players along with some other returners. As long as Hurley gets it right, Uconn should do very well within the league.

lol UH fans say they have three future NBA players on the bench...so they will disagree with your assessment of next year. FYI

(03-24-2019 06:01 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(03-24-2019 04:03 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(03-24-2019 03:40 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(03-24-2019 03:29 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(03-24-2019 02:27 PM)rosewater Wrote:  very fair analysis.

this is spot on....

I agree, except I think that next year will be more indicative of what Cincy as a program under Cronin will do with a returning UConn, Memphis, and the add of Wichita, an elevated Houston program. Remember we are a year early generally as a conference and for Cincy definitely. Cumberland coming into his own and Jennifer deleting turnovers, upping assists, and improving his outside shooting pushed Cincinnati ahead of schedule.

The team next year will be a good guide of how the Bearcats will compete every other year since Cronin has been so consistent and develops solid teams with small dips in individual years. UConn should be well on it's way back, Wichita will be a more typical Wichita team, Memphis will give us a sneak peek into their program under Penny, and Houston will be the Houston we can begin to consistently expect. Temple will still be a bit of a question from the Mckie take over but everyone else should be roughly where they will be as a program for the next few years.

I think Houston takes a step back next year. Davis and Robinson will be a far greater loss than Jennifer and Broome for Cincinnati. I have no idea, who fills those minutes. I predict Houston to fall to fourth or worse. I Have no idea where Wichta will finish but I don't think they can be a contender without McDuffie. They will need at least another year. Temple has the best returning nucleus of the teams mentioned. They bring back Rose, Pierre, and Moorman. The great unknown is Mckie. Memphis has Harris and Lomax coupled with Wiseman and another four star. They could make some noise, but this is not a roster that is comparable to Kentucky(a team that can plug and play freshman). If they could mix these high riser freshman with the current Memphis roster, I would say definitely, but to put Memphis at the top of the league is a stretch. Uconn has the best chance to immediately turn it around. Vital and Carlton are strong players. Gilbert goes into the iffy category with all his recent injuries. They also have at least three strong 4 star players along with some other returners. As long as Hurley gets it right, Uconn should do very well within the league.

lol UH fans say they have three future NBA players on the bench...so they will disagree with your assessment of next year. FYI

I know, I know sigh