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RE: Trevor Moore
(01-25-2019 03:17 PM)OKIcat Wrote: Still hoping the light comes on for Trevor this season. I respect Mick for standing by his players and I too see potential in Moore. But nearing the midpoint of his collegiate career one has to wonder if this program is a "fit" for his style of play and if it's in his best interest at some point to start fresh in another program. Often, transferring can be mutually benefit-- a "win-win" as some say.
LOL, come on, man. It's not like we have to make room for some one-and-done shooting guard. I'd bet that Moore develops into a solid player before he's done at UC.
Also, you don't actually think that Moore is a bad fit for Cronin's style. You just think he's not good enough. It's pretty low, in my mind, to get a kid to transfer for that reason. By all accounts, Moore is a good teammate and doing everything the staff asks of him.
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RE: Trevor Moore
(01-25-2019 04:18 PM)levydl Wrote: (01-25-2019 03:17 PM)OKIcat Wrote: Still hoping the light comes on for Trevor this season. I respect Mick for standing by his players and I too see potential in Moore. But nearing the midpoint of his collegiate career one has to wonder if this program is a "fit" for his style of play and if it's in his best interest at some point to start fresh in another program. Often, transferring can be mutually benefit-- a "win-win" as some say.
LOL, come on, man. It's not like we have to make room for some one-and-done shooting guard. I'd bet that Moore develops into a solid player before he's done at UC.
Also, you don't actually think that Moore is a bad fit for Cronin's style. You just think he's not good enough. It's pretty low, in my mind, to get a kid to transfer for that reason. By all accounts, Moore is a good teammate and doing everything the staff asks of him.
Bolded, never questioned that. Could that have been said of Quadri Moore too before he left? Not sure.
Despite your assertion, I do think there is an issue with "fit". He doesn't appear to have the skill set to slide over and play the point if needed (Cumberland & Broome can); he doesn't drive with the ball to score on offense (Williams does). That leaves him in the role of being a set shooter who can bust a zone, which he just hasn't been able to do with any consistency in game situations.
We're told Mick's teams have interchangeable parts--guys who can play two or three positions on the floor in any given lineup. By that definition, I don't see the fit. And I'd imagine he would prefer to be playing a lot more here or elsewhere.
Finally, I'd say it's on this staff to recruit a productive set shooter who can deliver three pointers as the shot clock expires and the lane is jammed. We've seen opposing teams each year with a three point assassin who comes off the bench specifically for that purpose. It's a viable model, if that shooter can deliver with some degree of consistency.
(This post was last modified: 01-25-2019 05:16 PM by OKIcat.)
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RE: Trevor Moore
(01-25-2019 05:14 PM)OKIcat Wrote: (01-25-2019 04:18 PM)levydl Wrote: (01-25-2019 03:17 PM)OKIcat Wrote: Still hoping the light comes on for Trevor this season. I respect Mick for standing by his players and I too see potential in Moore. But nearing the midpoint of his collegiate career one has to wonder if this program is a "fit" for his style of play and if it's in his best interest at some point to start fresh in another program. Often, transferring can be mutually benefit-- a "win-win" as some say.
LOL, come on, man. It's not like we have to make room for some one-and-done shooting guard. I'd bet that Moore develops into a solid player before he's done at UC.
Also, you don't actually think that Moore is a bad fit for Cronin's style. You just think he's not good enough. It's pretty low, in my mind, to get a kid to transfer for that reason. By all accounts, Moore is a good teammate and doing everything the staff asks of him.
Bolded, never questioned that. Could that have been said of Quadri Moore too before he left? Not sure.
Despite your assertion, I do think there is an issue with "fit". He doesn't appear to have the skill set to slide over and play the point if needed (Cumberland & Broome can); he doesn't drive with the ball to score on offense (Williams does). That leaves him in the role of being a set shooter who can bust a zone, which he just hasn't been able to do with any consistency in game situations.
We're told Mick's teams have interchangeable parts--guys who can play two or three positions on the floor in any given lineup. By that definition, I don't see the fit. And I'd imagine he would prefer to be playing a lot more here or elsewhere.
Finally, I'd say it's on this staff to recruit a productive set shooter who can deliver three pointers as the shot clock expires and the lane is jammed. We've seen opposing teams each year with a three point assassin who comes off the bench specifically for that purpose. It's a viable model, if that shooter can deliver with some degree of consistency.
Pretty sure it couldn't be said of Quadri Moore. Think Quadri was a big who wanted to play as a stretch 4/5 and wouldn't bang inside. Led to a difference of opinion with Cronin, who of course wants his bigs to be play tough D and grab rebounds first and foremost.
As for interchangable parts, that is more on the defensive end. He wants guys who can guard at least 2-3 positions. On the offensive end he seems quite willing to have guys play to their strengths (or play even though they have no offensive strengths) as long as they play good D and rebound.
Some guys want to play as many minutes as possible and don't care where they play. Those guys end up as stars on teams that go under .500 and never make the NCAA tournament. But most guys care more about the team achievement then their own minutes. Just look at schools like UK and Duke who have 4 and 5 star guys sitting on the bench. UC tends to get the guys who are willing to sit as long as they know they will get opportunities if they earn it.
By all reports Moore is an excellent 3-point shooter and he has shown it a few times (he went 3-7 in a game not too long ago and looked good doing it). He's got a bit of a mental block, but he will get there eventually.
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All you need to do is look at JJ. Many, myself included, would have been happy to see him leave a couple years ago. Now he's the top shooter in the league. If Trevor's doing the work it sounds like he is his time will come.
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RE: Trevor Moore
(01-25-2019 06:03 PM)skyblade Wrote: (01-25-2019 05:14 PM)OKIcat Wrote: (01-25-2019 04:18 PM)levydl Wrote: (01-25-2019 03:17 PM)OKIcat Wrote: Still hoping the light comes on for Trevor this season. I respect Mick for standing by his players and I too see potential in Moore. But nearing the midpoint of his collegiate career one has to wonder if this program is a "fit" for his style of play and if it's in his best interest at some point to start fresh in another program. Often, transferring can be mutually benefit-- a "win-win" as some say.
LOL, come on, man. It's not like we have to make room for some one-and-done shooting guard. I'd bet that Moore develops into a solid player before he's done at UC.
Also, you don't actually think that Moore is a bad fit for Cronin's style. You just think he's not good enough. It's pretty low, in my mind, to get a kid to transfer for that reason. By all accounts, Moore is a good teammate and doing everything the staff asks of him.
Bolded, never questioned that. Could that have been said of Quadri Moore too before he left? Not sure.
Despite your assertion, I do think there is an issue with "fit". He doesn't appear to have the skill set to slide over and play the point if needed (Cumberland & Broome can); he doesn't drive with the ball to score on offense (Williams does). That leaves him in the role of being a set shooter who can bust a zone, which he just hasn't been able to do with any consistency in game situations.
We're told Mick's teams have interchangeable parts--guys who can play two or three positions on the floor in any given lineup. By that definition, I don't see the fit. And I'd imagine he would prefer to be playing a lot more here or elsewhere.
Finally, I'd say it's on this staff to recruit a productive set shooter who can deliver three pointers as the shot clock expires and the lane is jammed. We've seen opposing teams each year with a three point assassin who comes off the bench specifically for that purpose. It's a viable model, if that shooter can deliver with some degree of consistency.
Pretty sure it couldn't be said of Quadri Moore. Think Quadri was a big who wanted to play as a stretch 4/5 and wouldn't bang inside. Led to a difference of opinion with Cronin, who of course wants his bigs to be play tough D and grab rebounds first and foremost.
As for interchangable parts, that is more on the defensive end. He wants guys who can guard at least 2-3 positions. On the offensive end he seems quite willing to have guys play to their strengths (or play even though they have no offensive strengths) as long as they play good D and rebound.
Some guys want to play as many minutes as possible and don't care where they play. Those guys end up as stars on teams that go under .500 and never make the NCAA tournament. But most guys care more about the team achievement then their own minutes. Just look at schools like UK and Duke who have 4 and 5 star guys sitting on the bench. UC tends to get the guys who are willing to sit as long as they know they will get opportunities if they earn it.
By all reports Moore is an excellent 3-point shooter and he has shown it a few times (he went 3-7 in a game not too long ago and looked good doing it). He's got a bit of a mental block, but he will get there eventually.
Man do we miss The Big Q who torched Tulane with 16 in a short spell.
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RE: Trevor Moore
I predict Trevor will get his confidence and shot figured out come March. What a perfect time...
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RE: Trevor Moore
(01-25-2019 11:17 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: I predict Trevor will get his confidence and shot figured out come March. What a perfect time...
Yeah, he does everything the coaches want, except make baskets. Weird how people might think that a basketball player should be able to score the ball. Crazy people.
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RE: Trevor Moore
(01-26-2019 02:45 AM)rtaylor Wrote: (01-25-2019 11:17 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: I predict Trevor will get his confidence and shot figured out come March. What a perfect time...
Yeah, he does everything the coaches want, except make baskets. Weird how people might think that a basketball player should be able to score the ball. Crazy people.
What are you blabbering about?
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RE: Trevor Moore
(01-26-2019 12:07 PM)levydl Wrote: (01-26-2019 02:45 AM)rtaylor Wrote: (01-25-2019 11:17 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: I predict Trevor will get his confidence and shot figured out come March. What a perfect time...
Yeah, he does everything the coaches want, except make baskets. Weird how people might think that a basketball player should be able to score the ball. Crazy people.
What are you blabbering about?
Good ol' rtaylor - never happy about Cincy hoops. Like the cranky old neighbor that yells from his front porch when a ball goes in his yard LOL. All I'm saying is it's not like he's a critical piece that we were counting on this year for our success. There's time for him to get his shot right and Mick will increase his minutes if he can do this. I look at him as a potential scoring "bonus" come March.
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RE: Trevor Moore
(01-26-2019 12:23 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: (01-26-2019 12:07 PM)levydl Wrote: (01-26-2019 02:45 AM)rtaylor Wrote: (01-25-2019 11:17 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: I predict Trevor will get his confidence and shot figured out come March. What a perfect time...
Yeah, he does everything the coaches want, except make baskets. Weird how people might think that a basketball player should be able to score the ball. Crazy people.
What are you blabbering about?
Good ol' rtaylor - never happy about Cincy hoops. Like the cranky old neighbor that yells from his front porch when a ball goes in his yard LOL. All I'm saying is it's not like he's a critical piece that we were counting on this year for our success. There's time for him to get his shot right and Mick will increase his minutes if he can do this. I look at him as a potential scoring "bonus" come March.
Yeah he’s not going to take a lot of minutes from Williams or Cumberland this year anyways. With the loss of 2 guards he will be expected to contribute next year. I still believe its purely mental bc his stroke looks smooth.
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RE: Trevor Moore
(01-26-2019 12:39 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote: Yeah he’s not going to take a lot of minutes from Williams or Cumberland this year anyways. With the loss of 2 guards he will be expected to contribute next year. I still believe its purely mental bc his stroke looks smooth.
Moore does not seem to be enough of a ball handler to be a 2 guard. He needs to be at that 3 position (and occasionally the 4) to minimize his ball handling. He might sub in for Cumberland, but he does not play the same role.
The only way you could think of him as a "guard" is in a "4 guard" system, which is not really what UC runs.
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RE: Trevor Moore
(01-26-2019 12:07 PM)levydl Wrote: (01-26-2019 02:45 AM)rtaylor Wrote: (01-25-2019 11:17 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: I predict Trevor will get his confidence and shot figured out come March. What a perfect time...
Yeah, he does everything the coaches want, except make baskets. Weird how people might think that a basketball player should be able to score the ball. Crazy people.
What are you blabbering about?
I will use smaller words next time, just for you.
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RE: Trevor Moore
(01-26-2019 05:44 PM)rtaylor Wrote: (01-26-2019 12:07 PM)levydl Wrote: (01-26-2019 02:45 AM)rtaylor Wrote: (01-25-2019 11:17 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: I predict Trevor will get his confidence and shot figured out come March. What a perfect time...
Yeah, he does everything the coaches want, except make baskets. Weird how people might think that a basketball player should be able to score the ball. Crazy people.
What are you blabbering about?
I will use smaller words next time, just for you.
Ooooh got eeeeeem!
I figured you would pop up right before a tough road game. Maybe UC will lose and you will get to come here and vomit all over the game thread with your miserable buddies. I know you're hoping!
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RE: Trevor Moore
(01-26-2019 06:20 PM)levydl Wrote: (01-26-2019 05:44 PM)rtaylor Wrote: (01-26-2019 12:07 PM)levydl Wrote: (01-26-2019 02:45 AM)rtaylor Wrote: (01-25-2019 11:17 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: I predict Trevor will get his confidence and shot figured out come March. What a perfect time...
Yeah, he does everything the coaches want, except make baskets. Weird how people might think that a basketball player should be able to score the ball. Crazy people.
What are you blabbering about?
I will use smaller words next time, just for you.
Ooooh got eeeeeem!
I figured you would pop up right before a tough road game. Maybe UC will lose and you will get to come here and vomit all over the game thread with your miserable buddies. I know you're hoping!
I rarely post during games. Would rather watch them when I can. Nice that you have taken upon yourself to categorize the UC fan base. Those that agree with your palaver, and those that don't. The Miserables. I like that. Grow up, in real life there will always be people who may disagree with you. Life's rough that way. Wear a helmet.
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RE: Trevor Moore
Trevor has played hard the last few games and brings some much needed energy off the bench. I really hope he finds his shot.
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RE: Trevor Moore
For those not paying attention... TM was playing as a big man today due to foul trouble. Kudos to him. Shame on fans complaining on his lack of scoring. Pay attention people...his job today was to hold down the fort...and he did it well
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RE: Trevor Moore
(01-27-2019 09:26 PM)GoCats1994 Wrote: For those not paying attention... TM was playing as a big man today due to foul trouble. Kudos to him. Shame on fans complaining on his lack of scoring. Pay attention people...his job today was to hold down the fort...and he did it well
Thank you for shaming me. I needed that.
Trevor plays his ass off and I like what he brings on the defensive end. Doesn't change the fact that he needs to find his shot to be a true difference maker. Still respect that he keeps putting in the work and hope he starts knocking down shots, because he definitely deserves to have that happen.
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RE: Trevor Moore
(01-27-2019 10:06 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote: (01-27-2019 09:26 PM)GoCats1994 Wrote: For those not paying attention... TM was playing as a big man today due to foul trouble. Kudos to him. Shame on fans complaining on his lack of scoring. Pay attention people...his job today was to hold down the fort...and he did it well
Thank you for shaming me. I needed that.
Trevor plays his ass off and I like what he brings on the defensive end. Doesn't change the fact that he needs to find his shot to be a true difference maker. Still respect that he keeps putting in the work and hope he starts knocking down shots, because he definitely deserves to have that happen.
It is always a great sign when a scorer is willing to do the other things needed to contribute to a team when his shot is no falling.
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RE: Trevor Moore
Against Temple, Trevor:
played good defense
rebounded, offensive and defensive
set good screens
hustled on loose balls
avoided turnovers
made a 3
generally played smart and hard.
We would all love for him to break loose as a 3 point shooter, but if he can continue with that list above, I can be (a little) patient waiting for him to turn it up. He isn't a finished product yet, but he is working on it. Go Trevor.
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RE: Trevor Moore
(01-28-2019 04:06 PM)ucbandguy Wrote: Against Temple, Trevor:
played good defense
rebounded, offensive and defensive
set good screens
hustled on loose balls
avoided turnovers
made a 3
generally played smart and hard.
We would all love for him to break loose as a 3 point shooter, but if he can continue with that list above, I can be (a little) patient waiting for him to turn it up. He isn't a finished product yet, but he is working on it. Go Trevor.
Unfortunately, Trevor did not make a three in the Temple game. He made a 2-point put back after an offensive rebound, but he did rebound the ball well. His shot has to start falling because his shooting has been woeful. Notwithstanding his good-looking stroke, too many of his shots are not even close to being on target.
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