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(01-18-2019 09:00 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  It's simple. Memphis promised the Liberty Bowl. Get it done or it's back to CUSA for you!

But Peso!!!
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attactcoog, i seen some nice ideas you throw out there
indy bowl is not 1 of them
Bir vs SEC
Military vs ACC
Dallas vs B-12
Detriot vs B-10 with MAC backup
Ft Worth vs MWC
Tampa vs ACC
Indy vs C-USA
Haw vs MWC
take BYU & Army to fill any openings
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Shrieport wants to stay on map
locals have to support bowl game
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(01-18-2019 06:08 PM)rosewater Wrote:  
(01-18-2019 04:21 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  the Liberty Bowl isn't going to give up it's Big 12 vs SEC match up

Arkansas vs K-State 61k
[Image: Chuck_Lajeunesse_Aerials_1_1280x1121.jpg]

this season Mizzou and OK State had bad weather and 52k still showed up
[Image: 453df8b2-00c2-4cf5-9355-70cfce1eee16-lar...6295656655]

they're not going to give that up...

Who would you rather have had this year: UCF or Oklahoma State.

Access Bowl would override the Indy Bowl, UCF would have still gotten the Fiesta this season.
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Possible Fenway Bowl post 2020:

According to sources familiar with the process, ESPN (which is college football's primary bowl network) is discussing the possibility of bringing a bowl game to Fenway Park in Boston.

""It's being talked about,''' said one source with knowledge of the discussions, "but it's just part of wide ranging discussions of what is possible.'''

What is missing is the timeframe--probably following the 2020 season would be the earliest time slot, although a faster pace is possible, but unlikely.

The next question would be which conferences would have tie ins.

The most logical candidates would be the Atlantic Coast Conference (Boston College is a member team), the American (sp) Athletic Conference (Conference office located in Providence, R.I) and has northeast teams such as Temple, Navy and UConn or the Mid-American Conference (if it can host a bowl game in Detroit, Boston would be an upgrade).


https://collegesportsmaven.io/tmg/mark-b...N2j8oSrKw/
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(01-18-2019 10:00 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  attactcoog, i seen some nice ideas you throw out there
indy bowl is not 1 of them
Bir vs SEC
Military vs ACC
Dallas vs B-12
Detriot vs B-10 with MAC backup
Ft Worth vs MWC
Tampa vs ACC
Indy vs C-USA
Haw vs MWC
take BYU & Army to fill any openings


Its times like this I am thankful for HHOOTER

No to Detroit. We're not in the conversation for it and shouldn't be.

Pretty sure everyone wants to stay away from Hawaii in Hawaii. That is probably becoming an alternating one with the mwc [Hawaii] vs BYU/Army/CUSA since it would actually make sense for them, we might be a back up.

Indy is by the most prestigious bowl you have listed and the highest pay out or close. They have no reason to take cusa which would for sure be there highest bowl pay out by a bit.

We play the armed forces on a rotating basis mostly against b12, so a rotation with the Dallas bowl would make sense. Then positioning the Gasparilla ACC match up to rotate with Ft. Worth so we have a A5 match up every year.
We really need to try and move towards four A5 matchups out of seven bowls or better every year.
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1st 5 bowls on that list pay more than Indy
MAC was putting 50,000 in Detriot game
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(01-18-2019 10:00 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  attactcoog, i seen some nice ideas you throw out there
indy bowl is not 1 of them
Bir vs SEC
Military vs ACC
Dallas vs B-12
Detriot vs B-10 with MAC backup
Ft Worth vs MWC
Tampa vs ACC
Indy vs C-USA
Haw vs MWC
take BYU & Army to fill any openings

lol...well, they cant all be home runs. 04-cheers

That said, while it’s locstion is not exactly a great destination—the Independence Bowl would be the be the most established bowl in our line up. Like I said, to get the kind of opponent we want—we need to find s bowl that needs us as much as we need them.
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(01-18-2019 10:33 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  1st 5 bowls on that list pay more than Indy
MAC was putting 50,000 in Detriot game

http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/bowl-schedule/2018/


Quote:Bir vs SEC 1.65 million

Military vs ACC 2 million

Dallas vs B-12 1.8 million was nearly insolvent, rescued last minute by city council, terrible attendance, still wasn't played this year and no one cared

Detriot vs B-10 with MAC backup 750k

Ft Worth vs MWC 900k

Tampa vs ACC 1.13 million

Indy vs C-USA 1.248 million

Haw vs MWC 1 million

Our current bowls are more, should the Dallas bowl survive, it seems doubtful it will still be a 1.8 million pay out. The other bowls have less history, worse locations, and less money.

Detroit is not an option, returns nothing. Louisiana is in our footprint and talent rich. Hawaii is expensive and low paying, no fan support. Dallas may or may not survive and the Armed Forces is low paying.

For context though there are 5 schools within 350 miles of the Independence Bowl, there is not another bowl location that can claim that. Even the Liberty Bowl (4.3 million) only has 4 at less than 500 miles, 5 at less than 600. Its close location to Houston and New Orleans means even Navy should have a solid group of supporters in the region. As far as the West Division goes it is as prime a location as possible.

Birmingham/Military serves a similar position for the East Division. Birmingham is less than 500 miles from USF and Cincy, roughly 600 for UCF and ECU. Temple, UConn, and ECU are less than 350 miles from Military and Cincy is roughly 500.
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Champion should go Birmingham Bowl against SEC team. Bowl game is typically played late in the bowl season and after New Years (When ECU played there it the Sat after New Years as the game leading into the NFL Playoffs) and with the new Birmingham Stadium would be a nice location and decent size stadium that could be filled up. Birmingham is also in a central location for all teams to get to. Late season bowl against a decent SEC team is about as good as we can ask for.

Question for people why were no bowl games played after Jan 1 this year we use to have several bowl games leading up to the championship game. This year it was Jan 1 games then nothing on Wed, Thur, or Friday going into the NFL playoff.
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All of what OP said but do it for the New Orleans Bowl.
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(01-18-2019 06:08 PM)rosewater Wrote:  
(01-18-2019 04:21 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  the Liberty Bowl isn't going to give up it's Big 12 vs SEC match up

Arkansas vs K-State 61k
[Image: Chuck_Lajeunesse_Aerials_1_1280x1121.jpg]

this season Mizzou and OK State had bad weather and 52k still showed up
[Image: 453df8b2-00c2-4cf5-9355-70cfce1eee16-lar...6295656655]

they're not going to give that up...

Who would you rather have had this year: UCF or Oklahoma State.

would have been Memphis, UCF would have been in access.
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(01-19-2019 03:01 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Champion should go Birmingham Bowl against SEC team. Bowl game is typically played late in the bowl season and after New Years (When ECU played there it the Sat after New Years as the game leading into the NFL Playoffs) and with the new Birmingham Stadium would be a nice location and decent size stadium that could be filled up. Birmingham is also in a central location for all teams to get to. Late season bowl against a decent SEC team is about as good as we can ask for.

there are questions as to how the Birmingham Bowl proceeds once the new stadium is built. SEC is not going to want to play in a 40k stadium so their long term association is questionable. Legion Field is a slum and it remaining open is not going to happen. Big questions going forward there.
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(01-18-2019 10:04 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(01-18-2019 06:08 PM)rosewater Wrote:  
(01-18-2019 04:21 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  the Liberty Bowl isn't going to give up it's Big 12 vs SEC match up

Arkansas vs K-State 61k
[Image: Chuck_Lajeunesse_Aerials_1_1280x1121.jpg]

this season Mizzou and OK State had bad weather and 52k still showed up
[Image: 453df8b2-00c2-4cf5-9355-70cfce1eee16-lar...6295656655]

they're not going to give that up...

Who would you rather have had this year: UCF or Oklahoma State.

Access Bowl would override the Indy Bowl, UCF would have still gotten the Fiesta this season.

Agree, but the number one AAC is better than a sixth place Big 12. We have some pretty good traveling fan bases at the top of the league, UCF, Cincy, Memphis to name a few. This is the step that we are ready for. It is not outrageous to pit our number two against the number six or seven of the sec/big 12. It would be a very competitive game with many eyeballs and a sell out audience.
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(01-18-2019 02:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Below is an article lamenting the fact that the Independence Bowl is in trouble. Even after finally getting their desired ACC vs SEC selections---the attendance was weak---as the game wasnt very attractive because they got the bottom selection from both the ACC and SEC. The article below explains why the bowl is dying. Basically---its getting low picks from P5's (and often, because they get last selection---they dont get a P5 pick at all). The Indy Bowl's selection is low because the bowl's payout is comparatively low. Additionally, when even when the bowl slots are filled with P5 picks----iit doesn't get teams who's fan bases are nearby. The article concludes the bowl should try instead to be a top G5 vs G5 bowl rather than serve up unattractive bottom rung P5 teams who are located far away.

My solution is better I think. The AAC, should take set aside 2 million a year. This money can be taken from the extra CFP earning we receive when we finish as the first or second place G5 conferences (in other words, just pay ourselves as if we finished as the 3rd place G5 conference every year) or it can be part of our TV negotiation with ESPN where they pay an extra 2 million to help create a permanent anchor bowl for the AAC. This 2 million will be paid to the Independence Bowl annually to make the bowl and the AAC "partners" in a sense (the "partner" part will be explained later).

The AAC champ (or runner up) will then play a mid to upper tier selection from a P5 every year in the Indy Bowl. The Indy Bowl will be able to attract such a high P5 selection because the 2 million will be added to the existing Indy Bowl opponent payout giving the participating P5 team a $3.3 million dollar payout. The AAC team will only get the current 1.3 million payout. However, the AAC will receive that 1.3 million dollar payout PLUS a percentage of the the Indy Bowl profit (if there is any). So, as a "partner", as the game does better--so do we. However, we will have no ownership in the game---thus---we have no liability if the game fails beyond the money we already contributed to the payout.

http://www.latechreport.com/2017/01/03/t...n-trouble/

It's hilarious to you select a DYING (basically DEAD) bowl game that even locals in Shreveport don't care about anymore as the GOAL for the conf to shoot for.

If you haven't figured it out by now...outside the Final Four...Bowl Games are exhibitions and outside just a few...most are benefited from having LOCAL teams (at least one within driving distance) in the games.

With AAC soooo spread out...I don't think you will see a FL team play in a minor bowl in TX while a TX team plays in one of the minor bowl games in FL.

Most Bowls are REGIONAL now...and "locked in" tiny/minor bowls don't really work (outside of the Rose, Sugar, etc...).
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(01-19-2019 08:52 AM)tigerjeb Wrote:  
(01-19-2019 03:01 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Champion should go Birmingham Bowl against SEC team. Bowl game is typically played late in the bowl season and after New Years (When ECU played there it the Sat after New Years as the game leading into the NFL Playoffs) and with the new Birmingham Stadium would be a nice location and decent size stadium that could be filled up. Birmingham is also in a central location for all teams to get to. Late season bowl against a decent SEC team is about as good as we can ask for.

there are questions as to how the Birmingham Bowl proceeds once the new stadium is built. SEC is not going to want to play in a 40k stadium so their long term association is questionable. Legion Field is a slum and it remaining open is not going to happen. Big questions going forward there.

i thought the new Birmingham stadium was going to be 50k so it could host UAB and the bowl?
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(01-19-2019 09:49 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(01-18-2019 02:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Below is an article lamenting the fact that the Independence Bowl is in trouble. Even after finally getting their desired ACC vs SEC selections---the attendance was weak---as the game wasnt very attractive because they got the bottom selection from both the ACC and SEC. The article below explains why the bowl is dying. Basically---its getting low picks from P5's (and often, because they get last selection---they dont get a P5 pick at all). The Indy Bowl's selection is low because the bowl's payout is comparatively low. Additionally, when even when the bowl slots are filled with P5 picks----iit doesn't get teams who's fan bases are nearby. The article concludes the bowl should try instead to be a top G5 vs G5 bowl rather than serve up unattractive bottom rung P5 teams who are located far away.

My solution is better I think. The AAC, should take set aside 2 million a year. This money can be taken from the extra CFP earning we receive when we finish as the first or second place G5 conferences (in other words, just pay ourselves as if we finished as the 3rd place G5 conference every year) or it can be part of our TV negotiation with ESPN where they pay an extra 2 million to help create a permanent anchor bowl for the AAC. This 2 million will be paid to the Independence Bowl annually to make the bowl and the AAC "partners" in a sense (the "partner" part will be explained later).

The AAC champ (or runner up) will then play a mid to upper tier selection from a P5 every year in the Indy Bowl. The Indy Bowl will be able to attract such a high P5 selection because the 2 million will be added to the existing Indy Bowl opponent payout giving the participating P5 team a $3.3 million dollar payout. The AAC team will only get the current 1.3 million payout. However, the AAC will receive that 1.3 million dollar payout PLUS a percentage of the the Indy Bowl profit (if there is any). So, as a "partner", as the game does better--so do we. However, we will have no ownership in the game---thus---we have no liability if the game fails beyond the money we already contributed to the payout.

http://www.latechreport.com/2017/01/03/t...n-trouble/

It's hilarious to you select a DYING (basically DEAD) bowl game that even locals in Shreveport don't care about anymore as the GOAL for the conf to shoot for.

If you haven't figured it out by now...outside the Final Four...Bowl Games are exhibitions and outside just a few...most are benefited from having LOCAL teams (at least one within driving distance) in the games.

With AAC soooo spread out...I don't think you will see a FL team play in a minor bowl in TX while a TX team plays in one of the minor bowl games in FL.

Most Bowls are REGIONAL now...and "locked in" tiny/minor bowls don't really work (outside of the Rose, Sugar, etc...).


exactly! Tulane, SMU, Houston, Tulsa, and Memphis are all in the Indy Bowls 'region'...it's pays well 1.24+ million...it offers a good opponent...and there is plenty of stuff to do in Shreveport like casinos and the Louisiana Boardwalk.

Independence, Birmingham, Military, and Armed Forces should be divided up based off geography and fan interest to our top 4 teams who don't make the Access Bowl.
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(01-19-2019 10:13 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
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(01-19-2019 03:01 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Champion should go Birmingham Bowl against SEC team. Bowl game is typically played late in the bowl season and after New Years (When ECU played there it the Sat after New Years as the game leading into the NFL Playoffs) and with the new Birmingham Stadium would be a nice location and decent size stadium that could be filled up. Birmingham is also in a central location for all teams to get to. Late season bowl against a decent SEC team is about as good as we can ask for.

there are questions as to how the Birmingham Bowl proceeds once the new stadium is built. SEC is not going to want to play in a 40k stadium so their long term association is questionable. Legion Field is a slum and it remaining open is not going to happen. Big questions going forward there.

i thought the new Birmingham stadium was going to be 50k so it could host UAB and the bowl?

not unless they are adding temporary seating.
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(01-19-2019 08:52 AM)tigerjeb Wrote:  there are questions as to how the Birmingham Bowl proceeds once the new stadium is built. SEC is not going to want to play in a 40k stadium so their long term association is questionable. Legion Field is a slum and it remaining open is not going to happen. Big questions going forward there.

LOL! SEC would LOVE to play one of their lowest minor bowl games in the new 40,000 seat stadium that the city of Birmingham is planning on building. (Birmingham Bowl uses giant tarps to cover up both empty end zones and actual crowds most year's in in the 20,000 range or so).

Legion Field (what remains of it) might be the worst stadium in the entire country, hence why the city is building a new one that UAB will use and this bowl game will use.

40,000 seats (with new suites, club seats, etc...) is plenty big enough for 20-25 plus bowl games including this one.
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(01-19-2019 09:49 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(01-18-2019 02:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Below is an article lamenting the fact that the Independence Bowl is in trouble. Even after finally getting their desired ACC vs SEC selections---the attendance was weak---as the game wasnt very attractive because they got the bottom selection from both the ACC and SEC. The article below explains why the bowl is dying. Basically---its getting low picks from P5's (and often, because they get last selection---they dont get a P5 pick at all). The Indy Bowl's selection is low because the bowl's payout is comparatively low. Additionally, when even when the bowl slots are filled with P5 picks----iit doesn't get teams who's fan bases are nearby. The article concludes the bowl should try instead to be a top G5 vs G5 bowl rather than serve up unattractive bottom rung P5 teams who are located far away.

My solution is better I think. The AAC, should take set aside 2 million a year. This money can be taken from the extra CFP earning we receive when we finish as the first or second place G5 conferences (in other words, just pay ourselves as if we finished as the 3rd place G5 conference every year) or it can be part of our TV negotiation with ESPN where they pay an extra 2 million to help create a permanent anchor bowl for the AAC. This 2 million will be paid to the Independence Bowl annually to make the bowl and the AAC "partners" in a sense (the "partner" part will be explained later).

The AAC champ (or runner up) will then play a mid to upper tier selection from a P5 every year in the Indy Bowl. The Indy Bowl will be able to attract such a high P5 selection because the 2 million will be added to the existing Indy Bowl opponent payout giving the participating P5 team a $3.3 million dollar payout. The AAC team will only get the current 1.3 million payout. However, the AAC will receive that 1.3 million dollar payout PLUS a percentage of the the Indy Bowl profit (if there is any). So, as a "partner", as the game does better--so do we. However, we will have no ownership in the game---thus---we have no liability if the game fails beyond the money we already contributed to the payout.

http://www.latechreport.com/2017/01/03/t...n-trouble/

It's hilarious to you select a DYING (basically DEAD) bowl game that even locals in Shreveport don't care about anymore as the GOAL for the conf to shoot for.

If you haven't figured it out by now...outside the Final Four...Bowl Games are exhibitions and outside just a few...most are benefited from having LOCAL teams (at least one within driving distance) in the games.

With AAC soooo spread out...I don't think you will see a FL team play in a minor bowl in TX while a TX team plays in one of the minor bowl games in FL.

Most Bowls are REGIONAL now...and "locked in" tiny/minor bowls don't really work (outside of the Rose, Sugar, etc...).

Sure. But none of the bowls you mention have a high Selection from a P5. Right now, if an AAC champ fails to make the access bowl—-it’s Birmignham vs the bottom of the SEC bowl qualifiers or play in Navy’s stadium against the #7-9 qualifier from the ACC. That’s a big drop off.

What I’m suggesting is finding a bowl that needs us as much as we need them—-and upgrade it’s opponent so we end up with a guaranteed mid-to-upper tier bowl for our champ (and a great bowl for the runner up when our champ is in the access bowl). I suggested the Indy Bowl because of the timely article and because it’s an older bowl with some history and name recognition. However—if you want a better destination—the Heart of Dallas Bowl played on the old Cotton Bowl is also facing financial difficulties and would probably jump at an offer like I suggest as well. It’s worth noting our conference HQ will be moving to Dallas soon. 04-cheers
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