(01-20-2019 05:10 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(01-20-2019 03:47 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-20-2019 11:45 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(01-20-2019 11:33 AM)PT_american Wrote:  

(01-19-2019 09:30 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  We don't have a deal with Army or BYU.

Why do you keep bringing up Detroit? Who cares how many fans the MAC sends to it?

The Big Xii does not need a Dallas game, OU/Texas play there every year. Most teams play there at least every other year and the championship game is in Dallas.







For the others, I notice a lot of you who are against the Indy bowl are East teams. How would you feel about adding it to the line up say instead of the Boca Bowl?

It seems no one has any idea where the actual bowl negotiations are for any bowls, with any teams and or conferences beyond the owned bowls. If we don't end up with the Liberty Bowl for our champ our bowl selection will probably remain best fit. The Indy would work great to guarantee a West bowl vs an A5 opponent. As I pointed out earlier the military and birmingham serve that purpose in the east. Maybe divide it up by fours for selection, swap to avoid rematches, but generally:

Military Bowl (If not the ny6/champ's bowl) vs ACC
Navy = 0
Temple 128 miles
ECU 308 miles
UConn 330 miles


Birmingham Bowl (If not the ny6/champ's bowl) vs SEC
Memphis 239 miles
Cincinnati 465 miles
USF 471 miles
UCF 584 miles

Independence Bowl (If not the ny6/champ's bowl) vs SEC
SMU 188 miles
Houston 240 miles
Tulane 327 miles
Tulsa 339 miles

Decent bowls for the AAC's 2-5 teams in down years, 3-6 in good ones.

If the league can keep the A5 opponents it absolutely makes sense to have these 3 as part of the lineup. I wouldnt say independence should be reserved for our champ though unless you can bump the opponent. Not sure how likely that is though. I still think Liberty is the best option if the SEC is indeed trying to get Vegas against the PAC12. If that happens it is likely the liberty drops to a much later pick which mayn’t be as appealing to the liberty. I also think the league should try to elevate the Cure bowl and maybe land the ACC as an opponent. They have a partial to gator and the orange so they could use another Florida bowl. Plus it is with CBS sports so you could easily move it to post Christmas.

Access champ
Liberty vs Big 12 league champ or runner up
Pool 2-4
Military vs ACC
Independence vs SEC
Bham vs SEC

5-7
HOD or Armed Forces vs Big12
Cure vs ACC maybe move up if you can boost payout and date
St Pete vs G5

Kind of what I was thinking but remember the ACC has a deal already for St. Pete's on rotation. We could add another A5 opponent by pairing that bowl with the Armed Forces so they alternate years for the A5 opponent. Something I am pretty sure we did this year to have three A5 opponents guaranteed for next year's bowl line up. If you add the Indy and Liberty and work the rotation the AAC has five of its seven bowls vs A5 teams, all in the footprint. I think the Indy would be a nice add, but not necessarily for the Champ.

Ive been saying for a while I kinda am expecting an improvement in the AAC Bowl line up this next cycle---but it likely to be only incremental improvement.

I think our realistic goal going into the next bowl cycle is to maximize the number of post season games we have vs P5 opponents. So, best case would be to capture every existing G5 vs P5 bowl in our conference footprint.

Military vs ACC
St Pete vs ACC/CUSA (try to upgrade this one to a FULL TIME ACC opponent)
Birmingham vs SEC
Ft Worth vs Big12
Heart of Dallas vs Big10

Then try to add the Indy (which is currently SEC vs ACC---but is likely to lose its SEC tie with the SEC taking the upgraded Vegas Bowl). That would hopefully leave us with a AAC vs ACC Indy Bowl.

That would give us 6 AAC ns P5 bowl games. Add in two AAC vs G5 games in good destinations and call it a day. Id grab NOLA and the Cure Bowl as the two G5 games. So our final line up would look something like

Military vs ACC
Birmingham vs SEC
St Pete vs ACC
Ft Worth vs Big12
Heart of Dallas vs Big10
Indy vs ACC
NOLA vs SB (maybe even their champ)
Cure vs random CUSA team or someone from the G5 pool.

Not bad, not great, but an improvement. I agree it seems the Liberty bowl is are best shot at a upgraded bowl. The others have long odds and the Liberty Bowl has had past relationships. It is by no means a slam dunk to get though, barring that the sort of improvement you foresee seems highly likely.

One issue though, the Dallas bowl already doesn't get the Big 10 pick a lot. It's also out of the area for them and the bowl is desperate for local support. B10 seems unlikely to stay in it. I could see it taking a MWC/BYU and CUSA/Army team match up though. I think that would help lock us in to the full time Ft Worth game and get us out of Frisco. BYU would help attendance, as of course Army would and both would like to be in Texas for games for recruits and local support. CUSA has plenty of teams that could bring a reasonable crowd within driving distance.

Yup. Frisco is a complete joke. $100K per team. Its the lowest paying bowl in FBS. I can see that becoming a bottom end MW or Sunbelt vs CUSA bowl.

Dallas game is 26th, for that game to survive
it's impertive that B-12 fills that slot that
is within driving distance & Allumni in area

Detriot is in same boat,played 26th
game needs local B-10 school

(01-18-2019 06:17 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  Per McMurphy last summer when it first appeared the bowl contracts would be settled early, the AAC was in talks to give Liberty the first pick after cfp/ny6.

I doubt that has changed. The Vegas bowl seems very set on getting a top tier bowl matchup, it looks as though the holiday will be taking a step back and you will probably see it trade spots for the PAC pick with Vegas and take an mwc team. The redbox bowl in San Francisco is probably going to need another team as the big 10 wants out. The sun bowl is down and there has been some talk of affiliation change.

The SEC taking the Vegas bowl bumps the Liberty Bowl lower and they have already struggled to fill that spot over the last bowl period. Currently they also have the Indy bowl. I could easily see the AAC switching its order of assignment to pick up the SEC spot in the liberty bowl and the ACC spot in the Indy.

Conference champ cfp/ny6/liberty vs big 12
West champ to Indy vs SEC
East champ to Military vs ACC
Birmingham vs SEC (would be last bowl tie)
Than a rotation of St Pete's and the Armed Forces vs either big 12 or ACC depending.


That really adds only two bowls to the line up but makes a huge difference. Both added bowls are well in the footprint, historic, and have had AAC teams in the past, are back up bowl locations currently, shown future interest in a relationship through the bowl or community.

It'd B great IF da' American
could move one of those bowls
2 B an early morning New Year's Day Bowl
& finish B4 da' Rose Bowl

(01-20-2019 08:20 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Dallas game is 26th, for that game to survive
it's impertive that B-12 fills that slot that
is within driving distance & Allumni in area

Detriot is in same boat,played 26th
game needs local B-10 school

(01-20-2019 08:28 PM)HHOOTter Wrote:  It'd B great IF da' American
could move one of those bowls
2 B an early morning New Year's Day Bowl
& finish B4 da' Rose Bowl

Wow. It's like a unicorn moment.

Templeff:
There are several schools that could anchor that bowl including most of the CUSA West division, which is as close as the B12. BYU who has a good Texas fan base. Army who will always draw well in a pro military state, never mind army bases relatively close by. The AAC West division. All of which do not have a competing bowl in the same metro, held in a member's stadium.

HHOOTter:
The Liberty Bowl is traditionally played on or near New Years. Tulsa played Fresno St on new years eve for one of its appearences.

Yes ^^^, and whoever was talking about the Birmingham bowl and how it's good because it is one of the later bowls, it is played before Christmas, and has done so every year AFAIK. This year it was on the 22nd.

(01-20-2019 11:54 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Yes ^^^, and whoever was talking about the Birmingham bowl and how it's good because it is one of the later bowls, it is played before Christmas, and has done so every year AFAIK. This year it was on the 22nd.

This was only the second year it was before Xmas.

(01-21-2019 12:22 AM)NewEnglandBull Wrote:  

(01-20-2019 11:54 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Yes ^^^, and whoever was talking about the Birmingham bowl and how it's good because it is one of the later bowls, it is played before Christmas, and has done so every year AFAIK. This year it was on the 22nd.

This was only the second year it was before Xmas.

After looking it up, I see you are right... kinda. Its first 3 years were also pre-Christmas. But at any rate, it looks like a trend. I would only be interested in pursuing it as a higher priority bowl for us if it were to move back to a post-Christmas game.

The answer is really simple.

The AAC champ either goes to an access bowl, or the Liberty bowl each and every year.

Make a deal with the Liberty Bowl to take the AAC champ IF that champ is not in an access bowl. Since the AAC is likely to be in a NY6 bowl 4 out of 6 years during a bowl cycle, you're only asking the Liberty Bowl to take the AAC champ twice (approximately) in a 6 years cycle. So you're bumping the SEC or B12 once each cycle, you offer the Birmingham bowl to the B12 if bumped, or the Military bowl to the SEC if bumped as compensation.

Done.

(01-21-2019 12:49 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  The answer is really simple.

The AAC champ either goes to an access bowl, or the Liberty bowl each and every year.

Make a deal with the Liberty Bowl to take the AAC champ IF that champ is not in an access bowl. Since the AAC is likely to be in a NY6 bowl 4 out of 6 years during a bowl cycle, you're only asking the Liberty Bowl to take the AAC champ twice (approximately) in a 6 years cycle. So you're bumping the SEC or B12 once each cycle, you offer the Birmingham bowl to the B12 if bumped, or the Military bowl to the SEC if bumped as compensation.

Done.

Works for me.

(01-21-2019 12:49 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  The answer is really simple.

The AAC champ either goes to an access bowl, or the Liberty bowl each and every year.

Make a deal with the Liberty Bowl to take the AAC champ IF that champ is not in an access bowl. Since the AAC is likely to be in a NY6 bowl 4 out of 6 years during a bowl cycle, you're only asking the Liberty Bowl to take the AAC champ twice (approximately) in a 6 years cycle. So you're bumping the SEC or B12 once each cycle, you offer the Birmingham bowl to the B12 if bumped, or the Military bowl to the SEC if bumped as compensation.

Done.

That won't work, the way the new rules are set you can have a back up deal if someone can't fill it, but every bowl must have a bid from two conferences, or independents for each game for the next 6 years. Conditional bids will not work.

Pretty sure this is the biggest reason the bowl talk slowed down. Throw in Chicago and Vegas wanting a high SEC pick and you have the early bowl talks grinding to a halt. The Vegas and Chicago mess seems sorted except for Vegas wants the #3/4 SEC team guaranteed. So now they have to work out the math for the rotating bowls like the music and gator that were split between three conferences.

This is also why I think that the AAC can pick up some of the lower choice bowls like a Liberty, Indy, or Sun. Those bowls are already considering change and the conference's they currently have with the cfp and media money have other bowl priorities. Throw Vegas in knocking down some selection positions for lower bowls like dominos and there will be some openings. Can the conference take advantage?

#1 priority for bowls is a serious upgrade for our non cfp/ny6 champions to go to. I honestly think the fact that our new media deal coming along at the same time could help. Increased money and guaranteed media future will make the teams even more attractive.

(01-21-2019 01:16 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(01-21-2019 12:49 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  The answer is really simple.

The AAC champ either goes to an access bowl, or the Liberty bowl each and every year.

Make a deal with the Liberty Bowl to take the AAC champ IF that champ is not in an access bowl. Since the AAC is likely to be in a NY6 bowl 4 out of 6 years during a bowl cycle, you're only asking the Liberty Bowl to take the AAC champ twice (approximately) in a 6 years cycle. So you're bumping the SEC or B12 once each cycle, you offer the Birmingham bowl to the B12 if bumped, or the Military bowl to the SEC if bumped as compensation.

Done.

That won't work, the way the new rules are set you can have a back up deal if someone can't fill it, but every bowl must have a bid from two conferences, or independents for each game for the next 6 years. Conditional bids will not work.

Pretty sure this is the biggest reason the bowl talk slowed down. Throw in Chicago and Vegas wanting a high SEC pick and you have the early bowl talks grinding to a halt. The Vegas and Chicago mess seems sorted except for Vegas wants the #3/4 SEC team guaranteed. So now they have to work out the math for the rotating bowls like the music and gator that were split between three conferences.

This is also why I think that the AAC can pick up some of the lower choice bowls like a Liberty, Indy, or Sun. Those bowls are already considering change and the conference's they currently have with the cfp and media money have other bowl priorities. Throw Vegas in knocking down some selection positions for lower bowls like dominos and there will be some openings. Can the conference take advantage?

#1 priority for bowls is a serious upgrade for our non cfp/ny6 champions to go to. I honestly think the fact that our new media deal coming along at the same time could help. Increased money and guaranteed media future will make the teams even more attractive.

Damn. I liked BullsFan's suggestion. He is an A+ quality Pokemon.