Paging Mr. Belcher, Mr. J. D. Belcher. You have a telephone call..........

(04-18-2019 12:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yes...the libs. Of course there is no evidence available that Hillary had Vince Foster and/or Seth Rich killed (among myriad others), but that hasn't stopped many a con one iota. SMH.

Deflection.

(04-18-2019 12:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yes...the libs. Of course there is no evidence available that Hillary had Vince Foster and/or Seth Rich killed (among myriad others), but that hasn't stopped many a con one iota. SMH.

Not going to let you change the subject...

Was the claim that Trump Ordered Cohen to Lie to congress True or False?

If you want to claim that its True... by all means do so.

If its false... then Admit it. And while you're at it... since the left always likes to talk about 'sides'.... why dont you call our those on your "side" for their BS.

(01-18-2019 12:26 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  Not good for DJT. AND before yall say this isnt a big deal... the nominee for AG Barr said under oath that THIS VERY ACTION constitutes obstruction of justice and lying to Co gress, which is a felony.

"If a President...suborns perjury, or induces a witness to change testimony, or commits any act deliberately impairing the integrity of available evidence, then he, like anyone else, commits the crime of obstruction." — William Barr



And Before anyone complains about the provenance of Buzzfeed reporting...

Anthony Cormier is an investigative reporter for BuzzFeed News and is based in New York. While working for the Tampa Bay Times, Cormier won the 2016 Pulitzer Prize for Investigative Reporting.

Jason Leopold is a senior investigative reporter for BuzzFeed News and is based in Los Angeles. He is a 2018 Pulitzer finalist for international reporting

(01-18-2019 12:53 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Yep, that is going to be one of the things that send Donald Trump to prison. Mueller busted Cohen for lying about it because he had physical evidence, per the reporting

Physical evidence + Witness corroboration = Conviction.

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This is not surprising from Trump. But it is a bona fide BOMBSHELL of a story regardless.

(01-18-2019 07:41 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 06:58 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Cohen has no credibility...period.

You will MOST definitely need more than Cohen but if you have emails or other such hard evidence. That's another story. Listen, I know the majority of this room doesn't care if he instructed witnesses to lie to Congress, but that's a big thing. Obstructing justice and witness tampering are big things.

(04-18-2019 12:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yes...the libs. Of course there is no evidence available that Hillary had Vince Foster and/or Seth Rich killed (among myriad others), but that hasn't stopped many a con one iota. SMH.

#Whataboutism...

I’ve got a feeling there is a lot of material for many more threads like this one.

(04-18-2019 06:58 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  I’ve got a feeling there is a lot of material for many more threads like this one.

Tons more. Hopefully this time the mods don't take pity on the leftists and threaten banning for resurrecting threads like they did in Nov 2016.

The lying libs lose again...you think they be better at it since they've had so much practice

(04-18-2019 04:08 PM)q5sys Wrote:  Was the claim that Trump Ordered Cohen to Lie to congress True or False?

If you want to claim that its True... by all means do so.

True, according to the BuzzFeed sources - "federal law enforcement officials". Who's to say Mueller's team got everything 100% correct? We'll never know, but reporters gonna report.
Bottom line is DT has caused the need for the HOR to seriously consider impeachment.

(04-19-2019 11:06 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(04-18-2019 04:08 PM)q5sys Wrote:  Was the claim that Trump Ordered Cohen to Lie to congress True or False?

If you want to claim that its True... by all means do so.

True, according to the BuzzFeed sources - "federal law enforcement officials". Who's to say Mueller's team got everything 100% correct? We'll never know, but reporters gonna report.
Bottom line is DT has caused the need for the HOR to seriously consider impeachment.

Buzz feed

impeachment


lulz

we must trust the findings of the Mueller report


lol

remember that one?

(04-19-2019 11:06 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(04-18-2019 04:08 PM)q5sys Wrote:  Was the claim that Trump Ordered Cohen to Lie to congress True or False?

If you want to claim that its True... by all means do so.

True, according to the BuzzFeed sources - "federal law enforcement officials". Who's to say Mueller's team got everything 100% correct? We'll never know, but reporters gonna report.
Bottom line is DT has caused the need for the HOR to seriously consider impeachment.

Please please I beg them to please do it please.....

(04-19-2019 11:06 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(04-18-2019 04:08 PM)q5sys Wrote:  Was the claim that Trump Ordered Cohen to Lie to congress True or False?

If you want to claim that its True... by all means do so.

True, according to the BuzzFeed sources - "federal law enforcement officials". Who's to say Mueller's team got everything 100% correct? We'll never know, but reporters gonna report.
Bottom line is DT has caused the need for the HOR to seriously consider impeachment.

And there you have it folks. The only outcome of the Mueller investigation that would have satisfied dems would have been Mueller recommending impeachment. Even in its failure, the coup attempt has succeeded in casting a cloud over the trump administration. I don't even think a dominant EC and 5m vote spread in the popular vote would get the message across.

Each and every dem needs to shut the **** up and deal with the fact that Hillary was a horrible candidate and Trump won fair and square. While they're at it, they might as well prepare for the next election cause there isnt a dem running with a message that will put them in the white house.

It wasn't just that the Buzzfeed clowns got their reporting wrong. They claimed they saw documents that proved it. That was a lie, too.

#1 Buzzfeed knows who told Cohen to lie

Quote:Which brings us to the top foul-up of the whole sordid saga. That would be Buzzfeed report by Jason Leopold and Anthony Cormier, in January claiming that Trump had directed Cohen to lie to Congress about talks to build a Trump Tower in Moscow. Well, here’s the Mueller report on that count: “The president did not direct [Cohen] to provide false testimony. Cohen also said he did not tell the president about his planned testimony.” Ouch.

So surely BuzzFeed has now offered a straightforward correction and apology, right? Think again. Instead, Editor in Chief Ben Smith published a convoluted self-defense, only begrudgingly admitting that “Mueller has the last word.”

Link

Post-Mueller, Buzzfeed FINALLY Admits Its Debunked Cohen Story Was Wrong

The Mueller report proved several media stories false, this included.

Quote:One day after U.S. Attorney General Bill Barr publicly released a redacted version of the Mueller report, which concluded that there was no collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian government to rig the 2016 presidential election, Buzzfeed is finally admitting its earlier reporting that Trump had “directed” his former attorney, Michael Cohen, to lie to Congress about a building project in Moscow was…well, complete crap.

First reported in January, Buzzfeed’s “bombshell” story was fawned over by the liberal media…for about 24 hours. Shortly after Buzzfeed published the damning accusations, the Mueller team, in a rare break from their historically stoic silence, stated that Buzzfeed’s report was totally false.

The publication stood behind their reporting, though – until Friday, when the outlet published a “note” at the top of its original report admitting that its earlier report was factually wrong.

“The series of interactions between Trump, Cohen, and their lawyers did not, in the prosecutors’ view, amount to Trump ‘directing’ Cohen to lie,” Buzzfeed Editor-In-Chief Ben Smith wrote in the carefully worded update. “As a matter of what constitutes a crime, Mueller has the last word, and his characterization has the force of law.”

“Two weeks ago, Cohen’s attorneys sent a lengthy memo to lawmakers, including more than 100 pages of documentation, that stated Cohen’s false testimony was based on ‘Trump and associates’ overall and intense effort to persuade Cohen to commit crime of lying to congress,’” Smith went on.

“Our sources — federal law enforcement officials — interpreted the evidence Cohen presented as meaning that the president ‘directed’ Cohen to lie,” he continued. “We now know that Mueller did not.”

It is, in essence, a total admission that Buzzfeed ran with a story they presented as “fact,” only to later admit, as we all already knew, that it was totally and completely false.

But when it comes to reporting actual facts over rumors and “bombshell” allegations, better late than never….right?

Eh, not really.

LInk

Democrats screamed Trump was not going to accept the results of the election!

Democrats screamed Trump would not accept the findings of the Mueller report.

Democrats project.

(04-19-2019 11:06 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(04-18-2019 04:08 PM)q5sys Wrote:  Was the claim that Trump Ordered Cohen to Lie to congress True or False?

If you want to claim that its True... by all means do so.

True, according to the BuzzFeed sources - "federal law enforcement officials". Who's to say Mueller's team got everything 100% correct? We'll never know, but reporters gonna report.
Bottom line is DT has caused the need for the HOR to seriously consider impeachment.

Wrong, they don't need a true justification for it.

That was the only thing that could realistically have been construed as obstruction. The rest simply isn't.

You need three elements to make obstruction:
1) an act that could be obstructive,
2) nexus to an ongoing or contemplated investigation, and
3) criminal or corrupt intent.

You have to have all three. One or two, no matter how egregious, don't get you there without all three. Since there is no collusion or conspiracy, proving element 3), intent, is almost impossible, particularly given the extent to which the Trump administration cooperated.