Trump created this issue, by shutting down the government in order to attempt to compel the Dems to give him what he wanted.

All because a couple of pundits told him to do it.

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The Dems aren't playing that game. You have to give up something (and not something you took away simply to use it as a negotiating tool) in order to get something.

(01-17-2019 04:52 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Trump created this issue, by shutting down the government in order to attempt to compel the Dems to give him what he wanted.

All because a couple of pundits told him to do it.

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The Dems aren't playing that game. You have to give up something (and not something you took away simply to use it as a negotiating tool) in order to get something.

You're not very good at this.

(01-17-2019 04:56 PM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 04:52 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Trump created this issue, by shutting down the government in order to attempt to compel the Dems to give him what he wanted.

All because a couple of pundits told him to do it.

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The Dems aren't playing that game. You have to give up something (and not something you took away simply to use it as a negotiating tool) in order to get something.

You're not very good at this.

Good news is that Pelosi is VERY good at this. Enjoy.

(01-17-2019 04:41 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 04:28 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 04:20 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 03:37 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Lindsay Graham is correct. As I pointed out yesterday, it's time Trump and Pelosi BOTH stopped acting like 5 year olds. I'm not really sure why anyone would applaud any of these sophomoric moves.

Totally agree. The longer this nonsense drags on the more respect I lose for both her and Trump and really our entire govt.

DJT has tried to negotiate at face value with both sides with a nominal mandate....

BOTH away at any attempt to allow a pittance to help protect OUR FIELD when a handful of years ago it was IMPORTANT from the left and is now to the right!!!

#dafuq is wrong with ewes....

shite stares ewe in the feces and ewes think it's yummy.....

lindsey is another hem haw lesion that makes up the swamp.....

If you can't see how childish both sides are acting then there is something definitely "dafuq wrong with ewes"

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what part of "lindsey" did you not comprehend.....

DJT is treating them all as req'd....do you really think he gives a shite about R or D at the end of the day..... (hint: NO)

seriously, nanny nan's play yesterday was about as childish as it gets.....DJT only responded in kind....

I, nor he, can help it when neither party can coexist with the donks mostly doing the pouting along the way....

do you really think the dems will lift up on the throttle of lunacy prior to '20???.....lmfao

(01-17-2019 04:49 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 04:42 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 04:36 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 04:26 PM)UofMTigerTim Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 04:23 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Believed by the Dems: Trumps fixation on the wall has nothing to do with security, but by hatred of brown people. He'll never concede on Dreamers, no matter what is given in return.

So basically, the Dems don't think that any concessions on their part will result in the Dream Act with citizenship paths becoming enacted.

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If you don't have the votes, you don't have the votes. Trump doesn't have the votes for a wall in House. So he's not getting a wall. Elections have consequences and the GOP just lost one. If he demands to not pay the Coast Guard and Corrections Officers because he's throwing a tantrum over that fact, that's on him.

But Pelosi ain't playin. She can do the CODEL trip later on I suppose.

He already offered a path to citizen ship for dreamers and the Dems balked.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...42fffda6a6

In return with massive curbs on legal immigration from non-white countries. Non-starter for the Dems.

Stand alone DREAM Act.

You are going to have to offer some proof to back up these accusation because as was proven earlier in the thread you have a habit of making up "facts".

Actually I don't, mainly because you confuse facts that you don't agree with and lying.

But in this case, its easy. My source is in the link you posted on this issue....LOL.

LOL


You want links proving you are full of ****? Fine. I'm not the one that's going to look the fool here Pinocchio.

Who protects the Speaker of the house:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congres...ed-n772296

Quote:The Capitol Police has over 2,100 officers and civilian staff, according to its website.

Only a small number of members in leadership positions receive full-time protective details from the Capitol Police, including the House Speaker, House and Senate Majority and Minority Leader, and House and Senate whips. Rank-and-file members sometimes receive added protection in response to specific concerns.

On the aircraft to be used belonging to the USAF:

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-...-aircraft/

Quote:Pelosi’s travel had been tasked out by the Office of the Secretary of Defense and approved, the Air Force said. That travel would have mostly likely been supported by the 89th Airlift Wing and other units overseas who regularly provide transport to dignitaries, such as generals and Cabinet members. The dignitaries typically fly on C-32 or C-40 planes, which are specially outfitted 757 and 737 official government aircraft with blue and white livery.

The direction to cancel the tasking was sent to the Air Force by the Office of the Secretary of Defense.

“The tasking has been turned off,” a defense official said.

On leftist congressmen & staffers taking a bus ride to nowhere:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/us/po...-trip.html

Quote:Some members of the congressional delegation were seen at the Capitol getting off an Air Force bus, which was going to take them to Joint Base Andrews to depart.

“We’re going to Afghanistan,” said Representative Stephen F. Lynch of Massachusetts, one of the delegation’s members, after getting off the bus. “We should be allowed to do our oversight.”

(01-17-2019 04:57 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 04:56 PM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 04:52 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Trump created this issue, by shutting down the government in order to attempt to compel the Dems to give him what he wanted.

All because a couple of pundits told him to do it.

---

The Dems aren't playing that game. You have to give up something (and not something you took away simply to use it as a negotiating tool) in order to get something.

You're not very good at this.

Good news is that Pelosi is VERY good at this. Enjoy.

Not a good look to make this statement on the day Trump made her look like the fool she is

(01-17-2019 05:00 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 04:41 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 04:28 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 04:20 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 03:37 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Lindsay Graham is correct. As I pointed out yesterday, it's time Trump and Pelosi BOTH stopped acting like 5 year olds. I'm not really sure why anyone would applaud any of these sophomoric moves.

Totally agree. The longer this nonsense drags on the more respect I lose for both her and Trump and really our entire govt.

DJT has tried to negotiate at face value with both sides with a nominal mandate....

BOTH away at any attempt to allow a pittance to help protect OUR FIELD when a handful of years ago it was IMPORTANT from the left and is now to the right!!!

#dafuq is wrong with ewes....

shite stares ewe in the feces and ewes think it's yummy.....

lindsey is another hem haw lesion that makes up the swamp.....

If you can't see how childish both sides are acting then there is something definitely "dafuq wrong with ewes"

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

what part of "lindsey" did you not comprehend.....

DJT is treating them all as req'd....do you really think he gives a shite about R or D at the end of the day..... (hint: NO)

seriously, nanny nan's play yesterday was about as childish as it gets.....DJT only responded in kind....

I, nor he, can help it when neither party can coexist with the donks mostly doing the pouting along the way....

do you really think the dems will lift up on the throttle of lunacy prior to '20???.....lmfao

I can easily call it Nancy for being childish. Because she is acting childish But why is it hard for you to say the same about Trump? Nobody cares about Lindsay. She is not the one cancelling other folks trips just to get some pay back. What they both need to do is to act like grownups and get this mess resolved.

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(01-17-2019 05:19 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 05:00 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 04:41 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 04:28 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 04:20 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  Totally agree. The longer this nonsense drags on the more respect I lose for both her and Trump and really our entire govt.

DJT has tried to negotiate at face value with both sides with a nominal mandate....

BOTH away at any attempt to allow a pittance to help protect OUR FIELD when a handful of years ago it was IMPORTANT from the left and is now to the right!!!

#dafuq is wrong with ewes....

shite stares ewe in the feces and ewes think it's yummy.....

lindsey is another hem haw lesion that makes up the swamp.....

If you can't see how childish both sides are acting then there is something definitely "dafuq wrong with ewes"

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

what part of "lindsey" did you not comprehend.....

DJT is treating them all as req'd....do you really think he gives a shite about R or D at the end of the day..... (hint: NO)

seriously, nanny nan's play yesterday was about as childish as it gets.....DJT only responded in kind....

I, nor he, can help it when neither party can coexist with the donks mostly doing the pouting along the way....

do you really think the dems will lift up on the throttle of lunacy prior to '20???.....lmfao

I can easily call it Nancy for being childish. Because she is acting childish But why is it hard for you to say the same about Trump? Nobody cares about Lindsay. She is not the one cancelling other folks trips just to get some pay back. What they both need to do is to act like grownups and get this mess resolved.

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

I agree with you, they are both acting like my children fighting to get their way. And Lindsey Graham is a man.

(01-17-2019 05:26 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 05:19 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 05:00 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 04:41 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 04:28 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  DJT has tried to negotiate at face value with both sides with a nominal mandate....

BOTH away at any attempt to allow a pittance to help protect OUR FIELD when a handful of years ago it was IMPORTANT from the left and is now to the right!!!

#dafuq is wrong with ewes....

shite stares ewe in the feces and ewes think it's yummy.....

lindsey is another hem haw lesion that makes up the swamp.....

If you can't see how childish both sides are acting then there is something definitely "dafuq wrong with ewes"

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

what part of "lindsey" did you not comprehend.....

DJT is treating them all as req'd....do you really think he gives a shite about R or D at the end of the day..... (hint: NO)

seriously, nanny nan's play yesterday was about as childish as it gets.....DJT only responded in kind....

I, nor he, can help it when neither party can coexist with the donks mostly doing the pouting along the way....

do you really think the dems will lift up on the throttle of lunacy prior to '20???.....lmfao

I can easily call it Nancy for being childish. Because she is acting childish But why is it hard for you to say the same about Trump? Nobody cares about Lindsay. She is not the one cancelling other folks trips just to get some pay back. What they both need to do is to act like grownups and get this mess resolved.

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

I agree with you, they are both acting like my children fighting to get their way. And Lindsey Graham is a man.

My fault. Got caught up my response.

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(01-17-2019 05:19 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 05:00 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 04:41 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 04:28 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 04:20 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  Totally agree. The longer this nonsense drags on the more respect I lose for both her and Trump and really our entire govt.

DJT has tried to negotiate at face value with both sides with a nominal mandate....

BOTH away at any attempt to allow a pittance to help protect OUR FIELD when a handful of years ago it was IMPORTANT from the left and is now to the right!!!

#dafuq is wrong with ewes....

shite stares ewe in the feces and ewes think it's yummy.....

lindsey is another hem haw lesion that makes up the swamp.....

If you can't see how childish both sides are acting then there is something definitely "dafuq wrong with ewes"

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

what part of "lindsey" did you not comprehend.....

DJT is treating them all as req'd....do you really think he gives a shite about R or D at the end of the day..... (hint: NO)

seriously, nanny nan's play yesterday was about as childish as it gets.....DJT only responded in kind....

I, nor he, can help it when neither party can coexist with the donks mostly doing the pouting along the way....

do you really think the dems will lift up on the throttle of lunacy prior to '20???.....lmfao

I can easily call it Nancy for being childish. Because she is acting childish But why is it hard for you to say the same about Trump? Nobody cares about Lindsay. She is not the one cancelling other folks trips just to get some pay back. What they both need to do is to act like grownups and get this mess resolved.

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

DJT understands lines 3 & 4 in my sig....

do you really think he wanted to do this.....

sometimes you have to resort to a spankin' to whip 'em into shape....

(01-17-2019 02:39 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  If this is real then I cannot expresses enough lulz.



ed.................. and it looks real!

Been pretty checked out today, just heard about this. So much for "the adulta in the room".

But, Day-um that IS funny as hell. Childish, petty, all those things, yes. Yet, funny? Oh yea.

30 mins from takeoff too. sure she was already 1 bottle of Chianti and 4 dramamines in.

I find this amusing...but how does this end? at some point someone has to negotiate... I do see either party caving in...

Pelosi started this by disinviting a President to present the Sate of The Union...

It is time for them to wrap this up and figure it out

(01-17-2019 05:05 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 04:57 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 04:56 PM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 04:52 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Trump created this issue, by shutting down the government in order to attempt to compel the Dems to give him what he wanted.

All because a couple of pundits told him to do it.

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The Dems aren't playing that game. You have to give up something (and not something you took away simply to use it as a negotiating tool) in order to get something.

You're not very good at this.

Good news is that Pelosi is VERY good at this. Enjoy.

Not a good look to make this statement on the day Trump made her look like the fool she is

Pelosi is owning the narrative. And that matters far more than Trump going to petty-land.

Do you really think this is going to help Trump get out of his self created mess?

The fact is the same today, as it was this morning.

Trump isn't going to do the SOTU in front of the House, Trump has still taken credit for the shutdown, Pelosi isn't giving Trump his wall, no Democrat in either the House or Senate has broken with her. Meanwhile at least 12 House GOP members and 2 Senators have broken with Trump publicly.

Its not our side that is breaking on this issue, but yours.

Hey, and since Pelosi isn't in Afghanistan, she can schedule more votes boxing in GOP Congressmen on reopening votes.

Good luck when our entire commercial travel system collapses sometime next week.

All because Trump decided to tie our government funding to House funding for a wall (which he didn't do when the GOP controlled the house) and because McConnell wont even schedule a vote on reopening the government (which would pass). Trump claimed credit for the shutdown.

Trump set this all off, because he couldn't take any criticism from Ann Coulter. And he won't back down, because he doesn't do that. But Trump's inability to concede, compromise, or backtrack doesn't change the fact that Nancy Pelosi is the duly elected House Speaker and SHE has something to say about funding. She's not going to be bullied. Trump didn't need the funding before, he doesn't need it now.

The way this ends is that McConnell and Trump reopen the government with no wall funding.

5.7 B in wall funding might be approved, but only with a path to citizenship for DREAMERS, no reduction in legal immigration quotas, an end to any impediments to asylum claims at legal ports of entry, greater oversight of ICE/CBP, a dramatic increase in immigration judges AND legal aid for those making claims, and end to Trump's child separation policy, etc.

WHY... would she leave the country with a partial government shutdown in progress? Shouldn't her priority working on a deal both sides can accept to re-open government? The fact she would consider leaving DC during her manufactured crisis shows she has not intention on compromise.

(01-17-2019 03:37 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Lindsay Graham is correct. As I pointed out yesterday, it's time Trump and Pelosi BOTH stopped acting like 5 year olds. I'm not really sure why anyone would applaud any of these sophomoric moves.

He kept her in the country and pointed out they have work to do. Now is not the time for a joy ride on the public’s dime.

(01-17-2019 03:41 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Sorry to rain on your 'owning the libs' thread.....but

Exactly who sets the White House Budget?

Oh, yea, that would be the US House of Representatives. Sure, some of that funding is already in a continuing resolution for 2 weeks more or so, but after that....LOL. And now Pelosi has all the cover she needs to make Trump pay for his Golf trips and his Kidrock Kool Kids rallies.

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BTW, the trip was cancelled, at least the Afghanistan portion, when Steve Scalise ® decided to violate security protocol and announce she was going to the press. Watch the Dems cut off his funding at the first possible opportunity. No rallies, no Mar-A-Lago, no nothing. Now he certainly can dust off his plane and fly on his own dime, or fly commercial. LOL.

BTW, you could have whined about being petty about the SOTU speech. Not anymore.

I think Speaker Pelosi will either just buy a plane ticket to go to Brussels as scheduled, or just not go. She's not walled up in the White House watching her poll numbers fall like a stone. As a matter of fact, Pelosi's approval/disapproval rating is approaching that of Trumps, which is a stunning turn of events for a House Speaker (these are very rarely popular). Wide and increasing majorities are siding with her on the issue.

So she doesn't have to fly 100 hours, which isn't fun, even in a non-commercial plane, to go to Cairo and Afghanistan. Or she can show her virility by just rolling up smooth to Dulles Airport and buying a ticket to Brussels and then let Secret Service figure out how to protect her.

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Either way, enjoy it for all its' worth Trumpers. Trump just kicked another one in his own goal.

Your lack of basic civics knowledge is frightening. To cut off funding a house budget has to pass the Senate and be signed by the president. Nancy can’t cut a thing on her own.

(01-17-2019 03:57 PM)UofMTigerTim Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 03:41 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Sorry to rain on your 'owning the libs' thread.....but

Exactly who sets the White House Budget?

Oh, yea, that would be the US House of Representatives. Sure, some of that funding is already in a continuing resolution for 2 weeks more or so, but after that....LOL. And now Pelosi has all the cover she needs to make Trump pay for his Golf trips and his Kidrock Kool Kids rallies.

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BTW, the trip was cancelled, at least the Afghanistan portion, when Steve Scalise ® decided to violate security protocol and announce she was going to the press. Watch the Dems cut off his funding at the first possible opportunity. No rallies, no Mar-A-Lago, no nothing. Now he certainly can dust off his plane and fly on his own dime, or fly commercial. LOL.

BTW, you could have whined about being petty about the SOTU speech. Not anymore.

I think Speaker Pelosi will either just buy a plane ticket to go to Brussels as scheduled, or just not go. She's not walled up in the White House watching her poll numbers fall like a stone. As a matter of fact, Pelosi's approval/disapproval rating is approaching that of Trumps, which is a stunning turn of events for a House Speaker (these are very rarely popular). Wide and increasing majorities are siding with her on the issue.

So she doesn't have to fly 100 hours, which isn't fun, even in a non-commercial plane, to go to Cairo and Afghanistan. Or she can show her virility by just rolling up smooth to Dulles Airport and buying a ticket to Brussels and then let Secret Service figure out how to protect her.

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Either way, enjoy it for all its' worth Trumpers. Trump just kicked another one in his own goal.

The Presidents Air Force One travel is done through the department of defense. So if she wants to attempt to cut the defense budget then go right ahead.

Lazy Tom is just spouting off while having a hissy fit about beloved Nancy having her ride taken away. Don't stop him or we will miss the entertainment he provides. If Tom really cared about the country, security, and the furloughed workers he would be on here saying aloud that he too wonders why Nancy decided to run out of town for a week instead of working with her conservative colleagues to get a deal that can pass through the White House. The seem to forget that it isn't enough for the House to pass it, or the House and Senate to pass it. The President also gets a vote and he has to pass it. Nothing has changed about that in like forever so these Democrats can jump up and down in front of the cameras all they want, but the President's vote counts just as much as the collective votes of the House and Senate. That's what really burns them up. Unfortunately for you and me ... they don't care about us. They only care about polls and votes.

(01-17-2019 06:20 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 05:05 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 04:57 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 04:56 PM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 04:52 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Trump created this issue, by shutting down the government in order to attempt to compel the Dems to give him what he wanted.

All because a couple of pundits told him to do it.

---

The Dems aren't playing that game. You have to give up something (and not something you took away simply to use it as a negotiating tool) in order to get something.

You're not very good at this.

Good news is that Pelosi is VERY good at this. Enjoy.

Not a good look to make this statement on the day Trump made her look like the fool she is

Pelosi is owning the narrative. And that matters far more than Trump going to petty-land.

Do you really think this is going to help Trump get out of his self created mess?

The fact is the same today, as it was this morning.

Trump isn't going to do the SOTU in front of the House, Trump has still taken credit for the shutdown, Pelosi isn't giving Trump his wall, no Democrat in either the House or Senate has broken with her. Meanwhile at least 12 House GOP members and 2 Senators have broken with Trump publicly.

Its not our side that is breaking on this issue, but yours.

Hey, and since Pelosi isn't in Afghanistan, she can schedule more votes boxing in GOP Congressmen on reopening votes.

Good luck when our entire commercial travel system collapses sometime next week.

All because Trump decided to tie our government funding to House funding for a wall (which he didn't do when the GOP controlled the house) and because McConnell wont even schedule a vote on reopening the government (which would pass). Trump claimed credit for the shutdown.

Trump set this all off, because he couldn't take any criticism from Ann Coulter. And he won't back down, because he doesn't do that. But Trump's inability to concede, compromise, or backtrack doesn't change the fact that Nancy Pelosi is the duly elected House Speaker and SHE has something to say about funding. She's not going to be bullied. Trump didn't need the funding before, he doesn't need it now.

The way this ends is that McConnell and Trump reopen the government with no wall funding.

5.7 B in wall funding might be approved, but only with a path to citizenship for DREAMERS, no reduction in legal immigration quotas, an end to any impediments to asylum claims at legal ports of entry, greater oversight of ICE/CBP, a dramatic increase in immigration judges AND legal aid for those making claims, and end to Trump's child separation policy, etc.

It's so sad Tom that everything that you just went on and on about is nothing more than showing your zeal of POLITICAL POSTURING for Democrat political points. Would you say those same things to the people that are out of work right now that just want to see the two sides come together with an agreement? Or, to the family members that have suffered PERMANENT loss of a loved one at the hands of an illegal immigrant?

Since you seem to think you have the answers on border security (the border patrol leaders have stated they would like a wall/fence/barrier , or whatever you would like it to be called), how about you provide your credentials so we can see how you got so smart on the subject. You didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night did you?