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RE: CUSA Basketball Thursday 1/17
(01-18-2019 11:55 AM)Eagleholic Wrote:  Herrion had some great talent, lots of guys that looked the part.

Yeah but they all flamed out. Kane was a Jones recruit just to get that out there.

Chris Thomas- 4 star borderline 5 star, never could get his head in the game, played with his head down most of the time just looking to score and not pass, kept him from getting min.

Jamir Hanner- Only a 2 star recruit but the kid scored 2731 points in HS. He avg 31.2 points in HS. Under Herrion he couldn't play his game and transferred because of it, sad part is he was dismissed from Buffalo before ever playing a game there.

Dennis Tinnon/Robert Goff- Putting these two together because they could have been soooo much more with the right coach. Both big men that could have played for anyone in CUSA at the time. Goff was underutilized and Tinnon played out of position his SR year.

Kareem Canty- Probably the 3rd or 4th most insanely gifted player Ive ever seen in my lifetime at Marshall. Only behind Skip Henderson, John Taft and maybe Tom Curry (Curry was a McDs All-American). But never had his head on straight and I never got the feeling that he wanted to be there.

But Herrion had his duds also in JP Kambola, Devince Boynkins, DD Scarver and Elijah Pittman. Thankfully Ryan Taylor and at the time walk on Austin Loop only had to play 1 year under Herrion.

Talking about Austin Loop, 2 years ago he broke a 22 year old record at Marshall with 293 3s made. Now 2 years later Jon Elmore is 6 3s away from tying that mark and 7 away from breaking it.
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(01-18-2019 11:03 AM)FIU Panther Fan Wrote:  


Damn they might as well cut the nets down last night03-lmfao03-lmfao....Bold prediction, Marshall beats them by 40 Saturday...
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RE: CUSA Basketball Thursday 1/17
(01-18-2019 11:44 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(01-18-2019 08:13 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Miss. St has done nothing since he left, its a tough place to win so even have a SEC wining record at a football school is not bad....

Up until a few years ago you could replace this statement with Auburn. Then they hired Bruce Pearl. Its the difference of having a poor to mediocre floor coach to a coach that knows how to actually coach, manage a game and run practice.

Under Tom Herrion Marshall had the #1 recruiting class in basketball 3 of the 4 years he was here. But in 4 years he went 67-67 and 24-31 his last 2 years.

Under Dan D'Antoni Marshall has been no where near the top of the basketball recruiting class but in that same time frame Marshall was 74-63 and he has topped his win total every year 11, 17, 20, 25, been to the title game twice with one championship a trip to the NCAA with a 1st round win.

I will take a good floor coach over an ace recruiter any day.

This is the problem I see with WKU. Stansburry recruited some highly talented guys but without Justin Johnson, Dwight Coleby and Darius Thompson you have a collection of players with no upper class leadership. You also have a few players out there either just trying to get by our out to get their own.

Clearly a lot of issues going on with WKU hoops and my guess we don't know the 1/4th of what's happening away from the court....I think a lot of it is off the court stuff starting with issues in off season and carried over through season, not being mentally strong enough and selfish players.....Its well known by now our Senior PG is at the bars around BG almost every night, so take that as you may....
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(01-18-2019 01:49 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(01-18-2019 11:03 AM)FIU Panther Fan Wrote:  


Damn they might as well cut the nets down last night03-lmfao03-lmfao....Bold prediction, Marshall beats them by 40 Saturday...

You may be right, Marshall might beat us by 40, who knows. WKU was the ore-season favorite, and for a program with a history of losing (except for Pitino Jr. year), going to your place and beating you guys after being down by 16, is a great step for the program. Good luck the rest of season, except with possibility of playing FIU again.
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RE: CUSA Basketball Thursday 1/17
(01-18-2019 01:51 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(01-18-2019 11:44 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(01-18-2019 08:13 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Miss. St has done nothing since he left, its a tough place to win so even have a SEC wining record at a football school is not bad....

Up until a few years ago you could replace this statement with Auburn. Then they hired Bruce Pearl. Its the difference of having a poor to mediocre floor coach to a coach that knows how to actually coach, manage a game and run practice.

Under Tom Herrion Marshall had the #1 recruiting class in basketball 3 of the 4 years he was here. But in 4 years he went 67-67 and 24-31 his last 2 years.

Under Dan D'Antoni Marshall has been no where near the top of the basketball recruiting class but in that same time frame Marshall was 74-63 and he has topped his win total every year 11, 17, 20, 25, been to the title game twice with one championship a trip to the NCAA with a 1st round win.

I will take a good floor coach over an ace recruiter any day.

This is the problem I see with WKU. Stansburry recruited some highly talented guys but without Justin Johnson, Dwight Coleby and Darius Thompson you have a collection of players with no upper class leadership. You also have a few players out there either just trying to get by our out to get their own.

Clearly a lot of issues going on with WKU hoops and my guess we don't know the 1/4th of what's happening away from the court....I think a lot of it is off the court stuff starting with issues in off season and carried over through season, not being mentally strong enough and selfish players.....Its well known by now our Senior PG is at the bars around BG almost every night, so take that as you may....

Man that's rough. I was for sure that once you guys got that senior PG back before conference that all would be right with WKU and the play on the court would equal the talent.
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(01-18-2019 12:53 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  I think that right now there are too many close down to the wire games where one team or the other wins on a last second shot, along with the fact that teams have yet to play each other once to say who is going to finish where. It tells me that anything can, and most likely will happen as far as upsets goes. Take 0-4 MTSU defeating 4-0 UTSA as an example of that.

ODU's games against Marshall, FIU, and LA Tech were all settled within the last 3 seconds of the game and any of them could very easily have ended in a different result. ODU could easily have come out on top of all three games, and also could have easily lost all three games. Coming out 2-1 in them under those circumstances isn't all that bad.

WKU has had significant leads in most if not all of their conference games, yet has had trouble finishing things for one reason or another. It would seem that is something that they can get a handle on over the next few weeks and if so the rest of the league will more than have their hands full trying to beat them. The old saying, "That which doesn't kill you makes you stronger" comes to mind here when thinking about their issues. Having watched some games from every team in CUSA now, WKU to me has the most talented team. They just aren't all playing from the same sheet of music sometimes. I'll be surprised if that doesn't change sometime over the next 3-4 weeks. Keep your heads up. Things are a long, long, long way from being decided.
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WKU has actually led every conference game by 15 or more at one time but has only won one. 8 more points and your unbeaten in league play.
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(01-18-2019 08:06 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(01-18-2019 01:21 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  I am starting to believe WKUs issue is fatigue down the stretch. Marshall won fairly comfortably tonight and FAU played very well. It is nice to see us win against others A games. 15 steals tonight and 21 turnovers forced by Marshall. Playing very well together. Looking forward to Saturday night and solidifying being all alone in 1st place

Its not fatigue, last year pretty much only played 7 guys......Pretty clear our guys are all about themselves this season, zero pride in playing for name on front of jersey....Not 1 min. after game last night we have a few players retweeting highlights of individuals dunks they had in game...That tells you where the mind set is, WKU is done this year, not going anywhere...


WOW...I'd be pissed if I was a fan. ESP coming off a loss like that.
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(01-18-2019 11:03 AM)FIU Panther Fan Wrote:  


First of all want to say that FIU fans should be proud. Your coach and those kids were not only well spoken but humble and seem to be great ambassadors for your school.

Last night was first time I watched you all and your style definitely reminded me of ours at Marshall. The big man (not even attempting to spell his name) looks pretty legit. He runs the floor well and can play. Can he also shoot the 3? I only watched last 10 minutes of WKU but I was impressed with you guys overall.
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RE: CUSA Basketball Thursday 1/17
(01-18-2019 12:41 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(01-18-2019 11:55 AM)Eagleholic Wrote:  Herrion had some great talent, lots of guys that looked the part.

Yeah but they all flamed out. Kane was a Jones recruit just to get that out there.

Chris Thomas- 4 star borderline 5 star, never could get his head in the game, played with his head down most of the time just looking to score and not pass, kept him from getting min.

Jamir Hanner- Only a 2 star recruit but the kid scored 2731 points in HS. He avg 31.2 points in HS. Under Herrion he couldn't play his game and transferred because of it, sad part is he was dismissed from Buffalo before ever playing a game there.

Dennis Tinnon/Robert Goff- Putting these two together because they could have been soooo much more with the right coach. Both big men that could have played for anyone in CUSA at the time. Goff was underutilized and Tinnon played out of position his SR year.

Kareem Canty- Probably the 3rd or 4th most insanely gifted player Ive ever seen in my lifetime at Marshall. Only behind Skip Henderson, John Taft and maybe Tom Curry (Curry was a McDs All-American). But never had his head on straight and I never got the feeling that he wanted to be there.

But Herrion had his duds also in JP Kambola, Devince Boynkins, DD Scarver and Elijah Pittman. Thankfully Ryan Taylor and at the time walk on Austin Loop only had to play 1 year under Herrion.

Talking about Austin Loop, 2 years ago he broke a 22 year old record at Marshall with 293 3s made. Now 2 years later Jon Elmore is 6 3s away from tying that mark and 7 away from breaking it.

Hanner was a great talent. Wasted unfortunately. I disagree on Canty as far as talent. He was a bad character kid, Dan told him to take a hike. Boykins was athletic, reminded me of Kinsey but didn't have a good developmental coach like Dantoni. Herrio. Also had other great players to work with. Damier Pitts was one of the best PGs we ever had. Shaq Johnson, Pena, Lutz, all great. And Hassan Whiteside, who ended up being a one and done. But i have said it a million times, to these sheep that say "jimmys and joes", coaching makes all the difference.
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(01-19-2019 12:10 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  Hanner was a great talent. Wasted unfortunately. I disagree on Canty as far as talent. He was a bad character kid, Dan told him to take a hike. Boykins was athletic, reminded me of Kinsey but didn't have a good developmental coach like Dantoni. Herrio. Also had other great players to work with. Damier Pitts was one of the best PGs we ever had. Shaq Johnson, Pena, Lutz, all great. And Hassan Whiteside, who ended up being a one and done. But i have said it a million times, to these sheep that say "jimmys and joes", coaching makes all the difference.

Hanner at 6'8 245 pounds should have been a bigger and more athletic version of Ryan Taylor. In 12-13 the starting line up should have been Kane, Scarver, Martin, Tinnon and Hanner. With Goff, Spikes, and Boykins coming off the bench. Everything Kane run should have went through both Tinnon and Hanner.

Canty was a locker room nightmare. Still doesn't mean any less that he was probably the 3rd or 4th most insanely talented kid to ever walk though the Henderson Center doors. You could probably say the same thing about Justin Coleman.

Since Tamar Slay Marshall has had probably 3 maybe 4 kids that could have lived up to his hype before Elmore arrived on the scene. Pitts or Kane probably came as close to anyone doing it, but most of them didn't have their heads on straight or just didn't want to be here.

I was trying to keep these just to Herrion recruits and not kids that he took over from Jones.
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RE: CUSA Basketball Thursday 1/17
(01-18-2019 12:41 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(01-18-2019 11:55 AM)Eagleholic Wrote:  Herrion had some great talent, lots of guys that looked the part.

Yeah but they all flamed out. Kane was a Jones recruit just to get that out there.

Chris Thomas- 4 star borderline 5 star, never could get his head in the game, played with his head down most of the time just looking to score and not pass, kept him from getting min.

Jamir Hanner- Only a 2 star recruit but the kid scored 2731 points in HS. He avg 31.2 points in HS. Under Herrion he couldn't play his game and transferred because of it, sad part is he was dismissed from Buffalo before ever playing a game there.

Dennis Tinnon/Robert Goff- Putting these two together because they could have been soooo much more with the right coach. Both big men that could have played for anyone in CUSA at the time. Goff was underutilized and Tinnon played out of position his SR year.

Kareem Canty- Probably the 3rd or 4th most insanely gifted player Ive ever seen in my lifetime at Marshall. Only behind Skip Henderson, John Taft and maybe Tom Curry (Curry was a McDs All-American). But never had his head on straight and I never got the feeling that he wanted to be there.

But Herrion had his duds also in JP Kambola, Devince Boynkins, DD Scarver and Elijah Pittman. Thankfully Ryan Taylor and at the time walk on Austin Loop only had to play 1 year under Herrion.

Talking about Austin Loop, 2 years ago he broke a 22 year old record at Marshall with 293 3s made. Now 2 years later Jon Elmore is 6 3s away from tying that mark and 7 away from breaking it.


Dude, Pittman was no dud, from a talent perspective. That guy could play! But his attitude may have been the worst and most cancerous attitude in the history of our program.
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(01-19-2019 11:23 AM)HerdAlum83 Wrote:  Dude, Pittman was no dud, from a talent perspective. That guy could play! But his attitude may have been the worst and most cancerous attitude in the history of our program.

That is the reason I put him on here and as talented as he was he didn't always play to his potential. There were just some games he took off.

I wouldn't call him the most cancerous but he was toxic enough.

As talented as some of these kids were I doubt Dan would have touched that many of them. That's one thing about Dan if you have any character flaws and you look like you wouldn't be a good rep. of Marshall he will pass on you in a heartbeat.
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(01-18-2019 01:49 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(01-18-2019 11:03 AM)FIU Panther Fan Wrote:  


Damn they might as well cut the nets down last night03-lmfao03-lmfao....Bold prediction, Marshall beats them by 40 Saturday...

Almost....
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Damn they might as well cut the nets down last night03-lmfao03-lmfao....Bold prediction, Marshall beats them by 40 Saturday...

Almost....

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