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(02-26-2019 11:38 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 10:06 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 08:56 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 08:47 AM)Lush Wrote:  i've said it before. new orleans. it's practically a neutral floor. one of three only in america cities

I don't understand why new orleans doesn't even get discussed. Maybe the Pelicans arena is a dump? But I would find a way to go if it was in New Orleans.

Yeah, just hold it in NOLA every year. Perfect town and a league city. I thought that getting to go to New Orleans was the only reason Tulane was in the AAC.

Sounds similar to St Johns. Only reason St Johns is in the New BE is the Madison Square connection.

St. John’s was an original member of the Big East with tons of history in the conference? I mean MSG and NYC location help but no way they were getting kicked out.

The only team that was in the Big East in 2012 that had any chance not to make it in the NBE IMO was DePaul. And the chances of cutting them was probably very small.

(02-26-2019 11:58 AM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 11:38 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 10:06 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 08:56 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 08:47 AM)Lush Wrote:  i've said it before. new orleans. it's practically a neutral floor. one of three only in america cities

I don't understand why new orleans doesn't even get discussed. Maybe the Pelicans arena is a dump? But I would find a way to go if it was in New Orleans.

Yeah, just hold it in NOLA every year. Perfect town and a league city. I thought that getting to go to New Orleans was the only reason Tulane was in the AAC.

Sounds similar to St Johns. Only reason St Johns is in the New BE is the Madison Square connection.

St. John’s was an original member of the Big East with tons of history in the conference?

The team in the Big East in 2012 that had any chance not to make it in the NBE was DePaul. And the chances of cutting them was probably very small.

This is what my friend at Fox Sports told me. We were out at a sport's bar and saw a horrid game with them on. He said St Johns BE membership was due to Madison Square. I believe this might have went back to the beginning. Said the conf tourny at Madison Square is one of the main reasons Fox picked up the BE.

(02-26-2019 12:04 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 11:58 AM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 11:38 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 10:06 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 08:56 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  I don't understand why new orleans doesn't even get discussed. Maybe the Pelicans arena is a dump? But I would find a way to go if it was in New Orleans.

Yeah, just hold it in NOLA every year. Perfect town and a league city. I thought that getting to go to New Orleans was the only reason Tulane was in the AAC.

Sounds similar to St Johns. Only reason St Johns is in the New BE is the Madison Square connection.

St. John’s was an original member of the Big East with tons of history in the conference?

The team in the Big East in 2012 that had any chance not to make it in the NBE was DePaul. And the chances of cutting them was probably very small.

This is what my friend at Fox Sports told me. We were out at a sport's bar and saw a horrid game with them on. He said St Johns BE membership was due to Madison Square. Said the conf tourny at Madison Square is one of the main reasons Fox picked up the BE.

I believe MSG is one of the main reasons Fox picked up the NBE.

But I don’t think St. John’s would ever be kicked out.

All the others schools in the conference at the time were either original member Providence and Georgetown (No way they would vote St. John’s out regardless of MSG) or required a St. John’s vote at one point themselves to ever join the Big East at some point (Seton Hall, Villanova, DePaul, Marquette)

I could be wrong but it required those schools to vote in Butler, Xavier, Creighton not the other way around. Then they did a TV deal.

Anyways I agree Texas isn’t the best spot for a basketball tourney. And I think we get a 6 seed. Lunardis a geez ball.

As far as getting a 6 seed goes, Miss State losing to Auburn helps us, right?

(03-04-2019 11:08 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  As far as getting a 6 seed goes, Miss State losing to Auburn helps us, right?

I think most of the predictors now have us as a 6 except Lunardi . I hope if we win at least 1 of 2 of our last regular season games and at least two in conference tournament we can hold at a 6 seed. Win the 2 regular season games and 2 in the AAC should get us a five. If we won out now five straight we would deserve no worst than a 4 but not sure if the current googly eye love affair of the media with the ACC, SEC and Big Ten will allow it.

(03-05-2019 10:47 AM)cincybb51 Wrote:  

(03-04-2019 11:08 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  As far as getting a 6 seed goes, Miss State losing to Auburn helps us, right?

I think most of the predictors now have us as a 6 except Lunardi . I hope if we win at least 1 of 2 of our last regular season games and at least two in conference tournament we can hold at a 6 seed. Win the 2 regular season games and 2 in the AAC should get us a five. If we won out now five straight we would deserve no worst than a 4 but not sure if the current googly eye love affair of the media with the ACC, SEC and Big Ten will allow it.

I think beating Houston alone locks UC into a six. If that happens is 5-3 against column one and 6-2 against quad 2 would still be better than most teams in that range.

If UC gets a six I'm hoping Florida State can play their way up to a 3.

(03-05-2019 07:40 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  If UC gets a six I'm hoping Florida State can play their way up to a 3.

I believe UC beat FSU in Nashville when UC was a 6 seed a few years ago. Good karma.

(03-05-2019 09:07 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 07:40 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  If UC gets a six I'm hoping Florida State can play their way up to a 3.

I believe UC beat FSU in Nashville when UC was a 6 seed a few years ago. Good karma.

That was an amazing game...I still remember Dion Dixon's steal and dunk late in the game. FSU had won the ACC tourney that year and played like a Big East team...physical/bruising. It was a slug fest.

(03-05-2019 09:07 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 07:40 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  If UC gets a six I'm hoping Florida State can play their way up to a 3.

I believe UC beat FSU in Nashville when UC was a 6 seed a few years ago. Good karma.

That's what I was going for

(03-05-2019 11:11 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 09:07 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 07:40 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  If UC gets a six I'm hoping Florida State can play their way up to a 3.

I believe UC beat FSU in Nashville when UC was a 6 seed a few years ago. Good karma.

That was an amazing game...I still remember Dion Dixon's steal and dunk late in the game. FSU had won the ACC tourney that year and played like a Big East team...physical/bruising. It was a slug fest.

If memory serves me, UC had wins over Texas and Florida State to advance to the Sweet Sixteen that year? Not necessarily an easy path to the second weekend but those were impressive victories.

I don't believe in luck. But I'm not opposed to the higher seeded team going down in flames before a second game matchup with UC. When that happens, that second game can be an easier conquest than the first on the way to the Sweet Sixteen.

(03-06-2019 08:37 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  I don't believe in luck. But I'm not opposed to the higher seeded team going down in flames before a second game matchup with UC. When that happens, that second game can be an easier conquest than the first on the way to the Sweet Sixteen.

Luck is a huge factor in a one and done basketball tournament. There's a reason the NBA has best of 7 series; it takes a series to truly identify the better team. We need luck on our side this year; while our record is similar to recent years we've won an inordinate number of close game. Our metrics indicate a team in the 25-30 range which I can't disagree with.

(03-06-2019 08:51 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 08:37 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  I don't believe in luck. But I'm not opposed to the higher seeded team going down in flames before a second game matchup with UC. When that happens, that second game can be an easier conquest than the first on the way to the Sweet Sixteen.

Luck is a huge factor in a one and done basketball tournament. There's a reason the NBA has best of 7 series; it takes a series to truly identify the better team. We need luck on our side this year; while our record is similar to recent years we've won an inordinate number of close game. Our metrics indicate a team in the 25-30 range which I can't disagree with.

I agree completely about this year in particular. Assuming we end up a 6, I think just winning a 6/11 matchup for UC is going to be tough enough. If there was ever a year where we need luck and a 14 taking down a 3 it would be this year.

(03-06-2019 09:09 AM)Marcus Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 08:51 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 08:37 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  I don't believe in luck. But I'm not opposed to the higher seeded team going down in flames before a second game matchup with UC. When that happens, that second game can be an easier conquest than the first on the way to the Sweet Sixteen.

Luck is a huge factor in a one and done basketball tournament. There's a reason the NBA has best of 7 series; it takes a series to truly identify the better team. We need luck on our side this year; while our record is similar to recent years we've won an inordinate number of close game. Our metrics indicate a team in the 25-30 range which I can't disagree with.

I agree completely about this year in particular. Assuming we end up a 6, I think just winning a 6/11 matchup for UC is going to be tough enough. If there was ever a year where we need luck and a 14 taking down a 3 it would be this year.

While that would certainly help, the 3 seeds don't appear unbeatable this year. According to bracket matrix the 3 seeds are LSU, Purdue, Houston, and Texas Tech. The 4 seeds (if someone would make a run and move up) are Kansas, Marquette, Virginia Texh, and Florida State. All those teams are beatable.

(03-06-2019 11:18 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 09:09 AM)Marcus Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 08:51 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 08:37 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  I don't believe in luck. But I'm not opposed to the higher seeded team going down in flames before a second game matchup with UC. When that happens, that second game can be an easier conquest than the first on the way to the Sweet Sixteen.

Luck is a huge factor in a one and done basketball tournament. There's a reason the NBA has best of 7 series; it takes a series to truly identify the better team. We need luck on our side this year; while our record is similar to recent years we've won an inordinate number of close game. Our metrics indicate a team in the 25-30 range which I can't disagree with.

I agree completely about this year in particular. Assuming we end up a 6, I think just winning a 6/11 matchup for UC is going to be tough enough. If there was ever a year where we need luck and a 14 taking down a 3 it would be this year.

While that would certainly help, the 3 seeds don't appear unbeatable this year. According to bracket matrix the 3 seeds are LSU, Purdue, Houston, and Texas Tech. The 4 seeds (if someone would make a run and move up) are Kansas, Marquette, Virginia Texh, and Florida State. All those teams are beatable.

lol KU as a four seed is a JOKE....

and Im not sold on Marquette either.

Mick hasn’t lost to mid level power conference team in the NCAA tournament, unless you count the UConn team that won it all. Basically UC has beaten mid level power conference teams with ease but have really struggled with high end mid-majors and teams with elite level talent. It’s not about the seed as much as it going to be about playing a crappy power conference with a ton of losses and then a good power conference with a solid but no spectacular record. They was formula in 2012.

(03-06-2019 03:09 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  Mick hasn’t lost to mid level power conference team in the NCAA tournament, unless you count the UConn team that won it all. Basically UC has beaten mid level power conference teams with ease but have really struggled with high end mid-majors and teams with elite level talent. It’s not about the seed as much as it going to be about playing a crappy power conference with a ton of losses and then a good power conference with a solid but no spectacular record. They was formula in 2012.

P5's Cronin's Heroes have beaten:
Kansas St.
Purdue
Texas
Florida St.
Missouri

P5's Cronin's Heroes have lost to:
UCLA
Kentucky
Ohio St.

Non-P5's Cronin's Heroes have beaten:
Georgia State

Non-P5's Cronin's Heroes have lost to:
Nevada
St. Joseph's
Harvard
Creighton
Connecticut

(03-06-2019 03:57 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 03:09 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  Mick hasn’t lost to mid level power conference team in the NCAA tournament, unless you count the UConn team that won it all. Basically UC has beaten mid level power conference teams with ease but have really struggled with high end mid-majors and teams with elite level talent. It’s not about the seed as much as it going to be about playing a crappy power conference with a ton of losses and then a good power conference with a solid but no spectacular record. They was formula in 2012.

P5's Cronin's Heroes have beaten:
Kansas St.
Purdue
Texas
Florida St.
Missouri

P5's Cronin's Heroes have lost to:
UCLA
Kentucky
Ohio St.

Non-P5's Cronin's Heroes have beaten:
Georgia State

Non-P5's Cronin's Heroes have lost to:
Nevada
St. Joseph's
Harvard
Creighton
Connecticut

His losses are mid-major that spread and shoot the three and teams with high end NBA talent. UC’s system is designed to work the power conference teams with good but not great talent and just ok coaching. Put UConn in the power category as they were in 16 team BCS Big East.

(03-06-2019 04:01 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 03:57 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 03:09 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  Mick hasn’t lost to mid level power conference team in the NCAA tournament, unless you count the UConn team that won it all. Basically UC has beaten mid level power conference teams with ease but have really struggled with high end mid-majors and teams with elite level talent. It’s not about the seed as much as it going to be about playing a crappy power conference with a ton of losses and then a good power conference with a solid but no spectacular record. They was formula in 2012.

P5's Cronin's Heroes have beaten:
Kansas St.
Purdue
Texas
Florida St.
Missouri

P5's Cronin's Heroes have lost to:
UCLA
Kentucky
Ohio St.

Non-P5's Cronin's Heroes have beaten:
Georgia State

Non-P5's Cronin's Heroes have lost to:
Nevada
St. Joseph's
Harvard
Creighton
Connecticut

His losses are mid-major that spread and shoot the three and teams with high end NBA talent. UC’s system is designed to work the power conference teams with good but not great talent and just ok coaching. Put UConn in the power category as they were in 16 team BCS Big East.

Let me add that Huggins at UC was basically the opposite. He usually feasted on mid-majors in the tournament and struggled against all level of teams from the power leagues.