Obama would have sent them to the "back of the line". Trump supports Brexit and will do what he can to get a deal in place to ensure its success. Britain would be best served to get this over with while they still have an ally in the White House. The next occupant could be another one-worlder that wants to see them suffer.

(01-16-2019 06:08 PM)Claw Wrote:  I think they'll be fine. The biggest thing I've heard them complain about is border crossings.

Also the 800,000+ Brits that work in other European nations. If there is a "hard" exit, they'll need permission from host nations to continuing working or just leave and go back to England. Not sure how easy it will be to get that permission.

(01-17-2019 08:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I still think the best answer for UK would be something like what Norway has--trade agreement but not full union. I'm not exactly sure how to get there from here, but I do think that would be the best answer.

There is no path to that because the EU wont allow it right now

The EU is being very passive aggressive over this whole breakup. Like the soon-to-be ex-wife that says she wants to work with you to raise the kids and split the assets and then has her lawyer try to screw you as hard as they can while she says "it's not me doing it". What she really wants is for you to come back home so she can mentally abuse you every day till you find an early grave. Barring that, she wants to make the divorce as painful for you for as long as she can do so.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/...democracy/

Ultimately as this article states, its about the elites refusal to accept Democracy. In Britain the elites don't accept Brexit. In the US elites don't accept the 2016 election.

(01-17-2019 02:07 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  The EU is being very passive aggressive over this whole breakup. Like the soon-to-be ex-wife that says she wants to work with you to raise the kids and split the assets and then has her lawyer try to screw you as hard as they can while she says "it's not me doing it". What she really wants is for you to come back home so she can mentally abuse you every day till you find an early grave. Barring that, she wants to make the divorce as painful for you for as long as she can do so.

Good analogy

(01-17-2019 08:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I still think the best answer for UK would be something like what Norway has--trade agreement but not full union. I'm not exactly sure how to get there from here, but I do think that would be the best answer.

Norway has freedom of movement. No, they aren't getting Norway treatment.

(01-17-2019 04:55 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 08:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I still think the best answer for UK would be something like what Norway has--trade agreement but not full union. I'm not exactly sure how to get there from here, but I do think that would be the best answer.

Norway has freedom of movement. No, they aren't getting Norway treatment.

I wonder what would happen if we decided that Norway treatment for UK was in our best interests. I think that would be the best ending for UK, and maybe for everyone.

I can see some basis for us to want the matter settled quickly rather than drawn out and messy. I have also thought that in the post-Cold War era, a closer relationship with the Commonwealth might be in our best interests, and that might be easier with UK out of the full EU umbrella. I can see the RN carriers taking some of the load off us in Europe, same for India's carriers in the IO, and Australia in WestPac. That would potentially enable us to cut back our defense spending.

Anyway, I wonder if we could exert any influence to try to bring this to that kind of an end.

(01-17-2019 09:32 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 04:55 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 08:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I still think the best answer for UK would be something like what Norway has--trade agreement but not full union. I'm not exactly sure how to get there from here, but I do think that would be the best answer.

Norway has freedom of movement. No, they aren't getting Norway treatment.

I wonder what would happen if we decided that Norway treatment for UK was in our best interests. I think that would be the best ending for UK, and maybe for everyone.

I can see some basis for us to want the matter settled quickly rather than drawn out and messy. I have also thought that in the post-Cold War era, a closer relationship with the Commonwealth might be in our best interests, and that might be easier with UK out of the full EU umbrella. I can see the RN carriers taking some of the load off us in Europe, same for India's carriers in the IO, and Australia in WestPac. That would potentially enable us to cut back our defense spending.

Anyway, I wonder if we could exert any influence to try to bring this to that kind of an end.

No. We have a much more important relationship with Europe than the UK. Its, by far, a much more important strategic and economic relationship.

Does the UK even have a single aircraft carrier? The British Empire is dead. Making a deal with the UK doesn't mean we make a deal with the Commonwealth - which isn't much of a coherent economic bloc.

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Basically, the EU is going to hang the UK out to dry. The reason no deal can get done is because the reason why the EU is mad is over freedom of movement ending. The reason for Brexit was freedom of movement.

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Besides, what in it for the EU globalists for making it easy on the UK nationalists and nativists? Nothing but further strife.

Norway signed on for freedom of movement and Norway submits to EU regulations in order to retain access to the common customs union. Meaning that they voluntarily adopt most, if not all, EU directives and regulations.

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Arguing that we should just give some sort of gift to the UK is a fantasy. Good luck getting a giveaway deal through the Senate. You need 60 votes. Selling out the USA simply to help out Nigel Farage....not going to happen.

(01-18-2019 01:28 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 09:32 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 04:55 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 08:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I still think the best answer for UK would be something like what Norway has--trade agreement but not full union. I'm not exactly sure how to get there from here, but I do think that would be the best answer.

Norway has freedom of movement. No, they aren't getting Norway treatment.

I wonder what would happen if we decided that Norway treatment for UK was in our best interests. I think that would be the best ending for UK, and maybe for everyone.

I can see some basis for us to want the matter settled quickly rather than drawn out and messy. I have also thought that in the post-Cold War era, a closer relationship with the Commonwealth might be in our best interests, and that might be easier with UK out of the full EU umbrella. I can see the RN carriers taking some of the load off us in Europe, same for India's carriers in the IO, and Australia in WestPac. That would potentially enable us to cut back our defense spending.

Anyway, I wonder if we could exert any influence to try to bring this to that kind of an end.

No. We have a much more important relationship with Europe than the UK. Its, by far, a much more important strategic and economic relationship.

Does the UK even have a single aircraft carrier? The British Empire is dead. Making a deal with the UK doesn't mean we make a deal with the Commonwealth - which isn't much of a coherent economic bloc.

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Basically, the EU is going to hang the UK out to dry. The reason no deal can get done is because the reason why the EU is mad is over freedom of movement ending. The reason for Brexit was freedom of movement.

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Besides, what in it for the EU globalists for making it easy on the UK nationalists and nativists? Nothing but further strife.

Norway signed on for freedom of movement and Norway submits to EU regulations in order to retain access to the common customs union. Meaning that they voluntarily adopt most, if not all, EU directives and regulations.

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Arguing that we should just give some sort of gift to the UK is a fantasy. Good luck getting a giveaway deal through the Senate. You need 60 votes. Selling out the USA simply to help out Nigel Farage....not going to happen.

UK has been a country we have worked with since 1815. They are our closest ally. They are also our biggest export market in Europe, behind only Canada, Mexico, China and Japan.